Statistics reveal police shoot and kill twice as many white suspects as African American suspects

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Oh, someone doesn't like facts cause they don't support their opinions. I'm sorry but facts matter.
How do we know you are not just making up random numbers? I've asked you in other threads to cite your statistics but you can never come up with a source. Where are you getting your information from? Your own brain?
 
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Oh, someone doesn't like facts cause they don't support their opinions. I'm sorry but facts matter.

How do we know they are facts if you don't substantiate them? If you're going to quote stats, then you should be prepared to back them up with a source. You rarely if ever do that.

If you can't cite your sources, then we're under no obligation to treat anything you say as anything but opinion.
 
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Your facts are meaningless until you support them.

Oh dear, it's really something that people just refuse to see the facts. I don't suppose this will change your mind, but I will try.

Police make over 10 million arrests per year. In 2018 they discharged their firearms in about 3,000 times. Which equates to .003 percent police used deadly force in arrest situations.

2018 study published in the Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery, which analyzed more than 114,000 criminal arrests made across three midsize police departments, finding that more than 99 percent of arrests were carried out without the use of physical force. In 98 percent of the cases in which those officers did use physical force, suspects “sustained no or mild injury.”

Here's some other context. In New York in 1971
Police fired their guns wounding 223 and killing 92. In 2016 they fired their guns Wounding 23 and killing 9.

This is not an epidemic it is a false narrative that police are extremely deadly and it's getting worse.

Despite The Narrative, Police Brutality is Rare | City Journal

Cops make over 25 million police initiated contacts a year. That equates to less than .003 percent of police contacts involve police shootings.
Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Contacts Between Police and the Public, 2015

Also, taking into consideration these statistics if you remove justified use of force then you are going to come up with less than .001 percent of police contacts result in unjustified use of force.
 
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What's the chances that black people will commit a crime? Which neighborhoods have more crime requiring more police contact? What are the chances that police will come into armed contact with a black person vs white?

What the percentage of blacks committing crime vs whites? Is a white person more likely to be a victim of a crime by a black.man or a white?
But Floyd was murdered in cold blood, without weapons, without resistance. His death was slow, prolonged, unnecessary.
 
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Oh dear, it's really something that people just refuse to see the facts. I don't suppose this will change your mind, but I will try.

Police make over 10 million arrests per year. In 2018 they discharged their firearms in about 3,000 times. Which equates to .003 percent police used deadly force in arrest situations.

2018 study published in the Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery, which analyzed more than 114,000 criminal arrests made across three midsize police departments, finding that more than 99 percent of arrests were carried out without the use of physical force. In 98 percent of the cases in which those officers did use physical force, suspects “sustained no or mild injury.”

Here's some other context. In New York in 1971
Police fired their guns wounding 223 and killing 92. In 2016 they fired their guns Wounding 23 and killing 9.

This is not an epidemic it is a false narrative that police are extremely deadly and it's getting worse.

Despite The Narrative, Police Brutality is Rare | City Journal

Cops make over 25 million police initiated contacts a year. That equates to less than .003 percent of police contacts involve police shootings.
Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Contacts Between Police and the Public, 2015

Also, taking into consideration these statistics if you remove justified use of force then you are going to come up with less than .001 percent of police contacts result in unjustified use of force.
None of that, though, means anything in terms of the OP.

So let's try agian.
 
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None of that, though, means anything in terms of the OP.

So let's try agian.
I was with ya. You asked for stats, and rightly so. And then you dismiss them out of hand?

Wow.
 
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So if the calm down and the percentages stay the same, then what?
Well if the death rates go down for whites and blacks that's still an improvement. Better for. But still not enough.

Floyd was murdered in cold blood. Nothing he did resulted in his murder.
We can't say that his propensity to be bad lead to his murder.
The cause was entirely with the Police. They choose to go heavy handed where there was no need at all for that level of aggression against an unarmed person who wasn't resisting arrest.

Do police get so heavy handed with white people?
Are police more likely to get heavy handed with blacks?

If that is the case, then why?
People in the police force need to change.
Maybe people in police force need to interact with the black community more.
Go there, get to know people, help out with community stuff.
Maybe if they get to know blacks, they will start to see them as people too, will start to realise that they aren't scary and so they don't need to use excessive force when dealing with them?

I really don't know the cause of the USA statistics. I presume it is multifacetted.
However, something needs to be done about it.
 
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Oh dear, it's really something that people just refuse to see the facts. I don't suppose this will change your mind, but I will try.

Police make over 10 million arrests per year. In 2018 they discharged their firearms in about 3,000 times. Which equates to .003 percent police used deadly force in arrest situations.

2018 study published in the Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery, which analyzed more than 114,000 criminal arrests made across three midsize police departments, finding that more than 99 percent of arrests were carried out without the use of physical force. In 98 percent of the cases in which those officers did use physical force, suspects “sustained no or mild injury.”

Here's some other context. In New York in 1971
Police fired their guns wounding 223 and killing 92. In 2016 they fired their guns Wounding 23 and killing 9.

This is not an epidemic it is a false narrative that police are extremely deadly and it's getting worse.

Despite The Narrative, Police Brutality is Rare | City Journal

Cops make over 25 million police initiated contacts a year. That equates to less than .003 percent of police contacts involve police shootings.
Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Contacts Between Police and the Public, 2015

Also, taking into consideration these statistics if you remove justified use of force then you are going to come up with less than .001 percent of police contacts result in unjustified use of force.

This is one of those situations where count is more important than rate. When you point out that only .001 percent of police contact results in force, that might not sound that bad... but let's take a look at what .001 can actually look like in a single given year....

Police killed 1,098 people in 2019.

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It's not about crime-- no correlation between crime rate and # of police killings.

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There is no accountability.

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No other first-world country has this problem.

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In your mind, American police brutality is a "false narrative" because it's really not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things-- but I would argue that 1,000 deaths in a single year is a big deal. America obviously has a problem, and it may not be the police that is to blame, but obviously we have a problem, and we need to fix it.
 
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Of those 1000 plus police shooting deaths in 2019 about 330 were black (former) lives. Well over two million people are presently in jail. That does not include the children in cages who will likely never see their parents again. This is a society that needs serious re-evaluation
 
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This is one of those situations where count is more important than rate. When you point out that only .001 percent of police contact results in force, that might not sound that bad... but let's take a look at what .001 can actually look like in a single given year....

Police killed 1,098 people in 2019.

policekillingscalendar2019.png


It's not about crime-- no correlation between crime rate and # of police killings.

6eeebab7684f656d9d7f3fc005c5f43bbd98d575_original.png


There is no accountability.

crime.jpg


No other first-world country has this problem.

policekillings_total.png


In your mind, American police brutality is a "false narrative" because it's really not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things-- but I would argue that 1,000 deaths in a single year is a big deal. America obviously has a problem, and it may not be the police that is to blame, but obviously we have a problem, and we need to fix it.
I’m not sure what you thinks these stats show. I know they make pretty graphs for the left, but without examining the actual data, it means nothing.
 
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I’m not sure what you thinks these stats show. I know they make pretty graphs for the left, but without examining the actual data, it means nothing.

Who are "they" and why can't the right make graphs too?
 
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I’m not sure what you thinks these stats show. I know they make pretty graphs for the left, but without examining the actual data, it means nothing.
You don't think 1,000 lost lives at the hands of police means anything?
 
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You don't think 1,000 lost lives at the hands of police means anything?
Compared to what? What were they doing? Were lives saved? Let me know how to determine that from the stats.
 
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