THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

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Bless Robin Parry! One of the greatest lectures I've ever listened to:

Do you know what UNIVERSALISM has in common with GENESIS 3:1-5? It is the same teaching from the same author.
 
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If you agree that there is no scripture that says that the unrepentant wicked receive everlasting life after the second coming then why are you do you believe that the unrepentant wicked receive eternal life after the second coming when the scriptures say that the unrepentant wicked after the second coming are destroyed in the lake of fire receiving the second death of Gods vengence *JOHN 3:36; 2 THESSALONIANS 1:9; JOHN 5:28-29; REVELATION 20:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; HEBREWS 10:26-312. UNIVERSALISM teaches the opposite of the bible.

Because, my dear friend, the rebelliousness and wickedness are destroyed. They are then repentant and cleansed of their sin, just as the prophet Isaiah was 'destroyed' Strong's Hebrew: 1820. דָּמָה (damah) -- to cease, cause to cease, cut off, destroy by uncleanness before the presence of the Lord, and then how he is cleansed by the holy fire:

Then said I, Woe is me! for I am destroyed; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged. (Is 6:5-7)

BTW The GREEK of 1 TIMOTHY 2:4 says...
ὃς πάντας ἀνθρώπους θέλει σωθῆναι καὶ εἰς ἐπίγνωσιν ἀληθείας ἐλθεῖν.
"WHO ALL MEN DESIRES (θέλει) TO BE SAVED AND COME TO KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH TO COME"

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
desire, be disposed toward, intend
Thel'-o or thel'-o or in certain tenses theleo thel-eh'-o, and etheleo eth-el-eh'-o, which are otherwise obsolete; apparently strengthened from the alternate form of haireomai; to determine (as an active option from subjective impulse; whereas boulomai properly denotes rather a passive acquiescence in objective considerations), i.e. Choose or prefer (literally or figuratively); by implication, to wish, i.e. Be inclined to (sometimes adverbially, gladly); impersonally for the future tense, to be about to; by Hebraism, to delight in -- desire, be disposed (forward), intend, list, love, mean, please, have rather, (be) will (have, -ling, - ling(-ly)).

Strong's Concordance

theló: to will, wish Original Word: θέλω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: theló
Phonetic Spelling: ( eth-el'-o,) Definition: to will, wish Usage: I will, wish, desire, am willing, intend, design.

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Cognate: 2309 thélō (a primitive verb, NAS dictionary) – to desire (wish, will), wanting what is best (optimal) because someone is ready and willing to act.
2309 /thélō ("to desire, wish") is commonly used of the Lord extending His "best-offer" to the believer – wanting (desiring) to birth His persuasion (faith) in them which also empowers, manifests His presence etc. See 2307 (thelēma). [Note the close connection between faith (4102 /pístis, "God's inbirthed persuasion") and this root (thel-, 2307 /thélēma); cf. 2 Cor 8:5-7 and Heb 10:36-39).]

NAS Exhaustive Concordance

Word Origin
a prim. verb
Definition to will, wish
NASB Translation; am...willing (1), am willing (3), delighting (1), delights (1), desire (14), desired (4), desires (4), desiring (2), intended (1), intending (1), like (3), maintain (1), mean (1), mean* (2), please (1), purposed (1), refused* (1), unwilling* (11), want (52), wanted (15), wanting (3), wants (8), will (5), willed (1), willing (15), wills (4), wish (24), wished (7), wishes (16), wishing (4), would (1).

THELEMA is first and foremost WILL. That's also what your Strongs and NAS references say.

Even if it does mean 'desire' in this context (which I don't agree with), do you doubt that God is willing or able to satisfy His desires? Oh my dear friend, have a little faith.
 
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Well that one is not true. UNIVERSALSIM teaches that the unrepentant wicked receives eternal life after the second coming and all the unrepentnant wicked will be saved. Do you not believe this now?
Sure, but how is that remotely similar to your strawman meme?

Do you know what UNIVERSALISM has in common with GENESIS 3:1-5? It is the same teaching from the same author.
What is your point?
 
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Yes, but how is that remotely similar to your strawman meme? Sure, but how is that remotely similar to your strawman meme?What is your point?
Because if you believe that the unrepentant wicked get a second chance after the second coming then the meme is not a strawman....

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I thought that was obvious.
 
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Because if you believe that the unrepentant wicked get a second chance after the second coming then the meme is not a strawman....

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I thought that was obvious.

You are equating the two in your head.
 
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Because, my dear friend, the rebelliousness and wickedness are destroyed. They are then repentant and cleansed of their sin, just as the prophet Isaiah was 'destroyed' Strong's Hebrew: 1820. דָּמָה (damah) -- to cease, cause to cease, cut off, destroy by uncleanness before the presence of the Lord, and then how he is cleansed by the holy fire:

Then said I, Woe is me! for I am destroyed; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged. (Is 6:5-7)

THELEMA is first and foremost WILL. That's also what your Strongs and NAS references say.

Even if it does mean 'desire' in this context (which I don't agree with), do you doubt that God is willing or able to satisfy His desires? Oh my dear friend, have a little faith.

Nonsense. The scriptures teach no such thing. The unrepentant wicked are destroyed because they are unrepentant and wicked according to the scriptures and receive Gods' vengence which is to be destroyed in the second death *JOHN 3:36; 2 THESSALONIANS 1:9; JOHN 5:28-29; REVELATION 20:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; HEBREWS 10:26-312. UNIVERSALISM teaches the opposite of the bible and it's message has it's origin in GENESIS 3:1-5. Nothing new here.
 
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How can the likes of Hitler be forgiven without repentance?

Idk why non-universalists can't seem to grasp that REPENTANCE IS 100% NECESSARY FOR SALVATION under UR. But nonetheless, all are freely justified by Christ's work at Calvary - 'Forgive them for they know not what they do.'

So you could cast it systematically that ALL are justified without repentance, but to be sanctified and make the Book of Life, we all need cleansing/ purification/ overcoming, which is done through repentance. Then the healing.

Revelation 22:11-12
[11]He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
[12]And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

That tells me everything is decided.

Not quite. You need to read it in context. God says in Rev 21:5 - Behold, I am making all things new.

That's when the reprobates go into the Lake of Fire (20:15 and 21:8), and then heaven comes to earth in the form of the New Jerusalem.

Next the nations and kings of the earth come in through the ever-open Pearly Gates to bring their honour and glory to the throne (21:24-26). Then the healing of the nations 22:2b and the lifting of the curse (22:3).

Then John returns from the vision to earth in Rev 22:6-11. So that refers to the HERE AND NOW.

Then we get Jesus' words in Rev 22:14-15:

Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.

Ok, that's clear - no cleansing and repentance, no entry. Stay out if you like evil.

But then? Rev 22:17: The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.

They are ENCOURAGED to overcome. That's OUR JOB. Not to condemn them and leave them for dead in the LoF, but to be good neighbors and fishers of men. What do you think - we forget all that stuff?

Do you see, my friend?
 
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Nonsense. The scriptures teach no such thing. The unrepentant wicked are destroyed because they are unrepentant and wicked according to the scriptures and receive Gods' vengence which is to be destroyed in the second death *JOHN 3:36; 2 THESSALONIANS 1:9; JOHN 5:28-29; REVELATION 20:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; HEBREWS 10:26-312. UNIVERSALISM teaches the opposite of the bible and it's message has it's origin in GENESIS 3:1-5. Nothing new here.

You're calling Isaiah NONSENSE?? Wow, my friend, take care you don't blaspheme the HS.
 
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You're calling Isaiah NONSENSE?? Wow, my friend, take care you don't blaspheme the HS.
No, no not at all dear friend. You have a misunderstanding. I am not calling ISAIAH nonsense. I am calling your interpretation of the scriptures to the unrepentant wicked receiving eternal life after the second coming as nonsense. It is not biblical and you have been shown why from the scriptures. Universalism is simply a very old teaching that has it's origin from GENESIS 3:1-5.
 
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I side with the Lord because even in the O.T. he delights in mercy:

Micah 7:18
[18]Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

Psalm 103:8
The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.

I am sure you are familiar with Ezekiel 18. He has no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked but he will do it.

Exactly. We are in accord. Mercy boasteth over judgment in the OT, as elsewhere.

God is more than capable of doing that. I also agree with you that our body is the temple of God.

Sterling!

This is true the Lord can save any soul but if a man does not turn to the Lord and ask forgiveness for their sins they can't be saved. The will not force a soul to choose him, we have to make that choice. Christ will do even go after us, such as the prodigal son, but we need to let his Spirit convict us.

Agreed. The doctor comes for the sick, the healthy have no need. And it is only when ppl are exposed to the truth of their sin in the presence of God by the gospel truth that they really understand. Salvation is and remains a work of God, does it not?

This is what the lake of fire is all about. God's judgments are righteous, they are for SETTING RIGHT, not getting even.

Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest. (Rev 15:4)

Seems we concur on most points, but why then do you lack faith that God can bring all men to repentance (whether in this world or the next)?
 
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No, no not at all dear friend. You have a misunderstanding. I am not calling ISAIAH nonsense. I am calling your interpretation of the scriptures to the unrepentant wicked after the second coming receiving eternal life as nonsense. It is not biblical and is simply a very old teaching that comes from GENESIS 3:1-5.

How then do you interpret the passage from Isaiah?

Then said I, Woe is me! for I am destroyed; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged. (Is 6:5-7)
 
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How then do you interpret the passage from Isaiah?

ISAIAH 6:3-8 says
[3], And one cried to another, and said, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY, IS THE LORD OF HOSTS: THE WHOLE EARTH IS FULL OF HIS GLORY.
[4], And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
[5], THEN SAID I, WOE IS ME! FOR I AM UNDONE [דּמה; dâmâh or "to be" destroyed]; BECAUSE I AM A MAN OF UNCLEAN LIPS, AND I DWELL IN THE MIDDLE OF A PEOPLE OF UNCLEAN LIPS: FOR MY EYES HAVE SEEN THE KING, THE LORD OF HOSTS.
[6], THEN FLEW ONE OF THE SERAPHIM TO ME, HAVING A LIVE COAL IN HIS HAND, WHICH HE HAD TAKEN WITH THE TONGS FROM OFF THE ALTAR:
[7], AND HE LAID IT ON MY MOUTH, AND SAID, SEE, THIS HAS TOUCHED YOUR LIPS; AND YOUR INIQUITY IS TAKEN AWAY, AND YOUR SIN PURGED.
[8], Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, WHOM SHALL I SEND, AND WHO WILL GO FOR US? THEN SAID I, HERE AM I; SEND ME.

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H1820
דּמה; dâmâh A primitive root; to be dumb or silent ; hence to fail or perish ; transitively to destroy: - cease, be cut down (off), destroy, be brought to silence, be undone, X utterly.

HALOT LEXICON דמה: trad. as II: to become silent, cease, cease to exist (Wolff Hos. 95 on Hos 4:5); ? Arb. ḏmy IV to murder, destroy, Akk. d/tamtu destruction (AHw. 158); → III דמם. qal: pf. דָּמִיתִי: Hos 4:5 ?, to destroy (with cj. אֹתְךָ), or to be destroyed (with cj. עִמְּךָ), cj. דִּמֵּיתִי or נִדְמְתָה. † nif: pf. נִדְמָה, נִדְמְתָה, נִדְמֵיתָ(ה), נִדְמֵיתִי, נִדְמוּ, inf. נִדְמֹה: to be destroyed : KBL, → >II nif. 3 !) Is 6:5 (GK §106, = ὄλωλα, → Sept., Pesh. and Comm.); cities, countries (|| שֻׁדַּד) Is 15:1, 1 Jr 47:5 (→ II) Hos 10:7 (|| נִשְׁמְדוּ v.8), nations Hos 4:6 Ob :5 Zeph 1:11 (|| נִכְרְתוּ), cj. Is 23:2 (rd. נִדְמוּ Tg.), king Ezk 32:2 (?, → I) Hos 10:15, cattle Ps 49:13, 21.

The above Hebrew HALOT LEXICON and the HEBREW and GREEK Dictionary renders דּמה; dâmâh as to become dumb and silent by undone agreeing with the KJV. The meaning of the Hebrew word here דּמה; dâmâh also means “TO BE" DESTROYED” something that is to come, future tense not destroyed in past tense or he would cease to exist to do God's work...

ISAIAH 6:5 [5], THEN SAID I, WOE IS ME! FOR I AM UNDONE [דּמה; dâmâh or "to be" destroyed]; BECAUSE I AM A MAN OF UNCLEAN LIPS, AND I DWELL IN THE MIDDLE OF A PEOPLE OF UNCLEAN LIPS: FOR MY EYES HAVE SEEN THE KING, THE LORD OF HOSTS.

ISAIAH after seeing the HOLINESS of GOD [v4] was simply speechless, he saw his sinfulness and believed he was going to be destroyed [Hebrew is future tense “to be”] first person common singular V-Nifal-Perf-1cs. He was thinking that he was "to be" destroyed because of the holiness of God.

Note none of the above scriptures say anywhere here that the unrepentant wicked will receive everlasting life at the second coming. This is a vision received by ISAIAH of the holiness of God. ISAIAH was already a holy man and believer and follower of God’s Word before he had this Vision which was in relation to ISRAEL (God’s people) departing God and God telling ISAIAH that he will punish and chastise his people in ISAIAH 5:6-7 which is the earlier contexts to these scriptures….

ISAIAH 5:6-7[6], And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor dig; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain on it. [7], FOR THE VINEYARD OF THE LORD OF HOSTS IS THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, AND THE MEN OF JUDAH HIS PLEASANT PLANT: AND HE LOOKED FOR JUDGMENT, BUT BEHOLD OPPRESSION; FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS, BUT BEHOLD A CRY.

The above scripture and ISAIAH 6:3-8 is God’s call to ISAIAH to be God’s messenger and prophet to backsliding ISRAEL

Hope this is helpful
 
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You will get the same idea as what has been shared above by looking at the. ISAIAH after seeing the holiness of God believed he was going "to be" destroyed.

PARALLEL TRANSLATIONS

New International Version
"Woe to me!" I cried. "I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the LORD Almighty."

New Living Translation
Then I said, “It’s all over! I am doomed, for I am a sinful man. I have filthy lips, and I live among a people with filthy lips. Yet I have seen the King, the LORD of Heaven’s Armies.”

English Standard Version
And I said: “Woe is me! For I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts!”

Berean Study Bible
Then I said: “Woe is me, for I am ruined, because I am a man of unclean lips dwelling among a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of Hosts.”

New American Standard Bible
Then I said, "Woe is me, for I am ruined! Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I live among a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts."

New King James Version
So I said: “Woe is me, for I am undone! Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, The LORD of hosts.”

King James Bible
Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

Christian Standard Bible
Then I said: Woe is me for I am ruined because I am a man of unclean lips and live among a people of unclean lips, and because my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of Armies.

Contemporary English Version
Then I cried out, "I'm doomed! Everything I say is sinful, and so are the words of everyone around me. Yet I have seen the King, the LORD All-Powerful."

Good News Translation
I said, "There is no hope for me! I am doomed because every word that passes my lips is sinful, and I live among a people whose every word is sinful. And yet, with my own eyes I have seen the King, the LORD Almighty."

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then I said: Woe is me for I am ruined because I am a man of unclean lips and live among a people of unclean lips, and because my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of Hosts.

International Standard Version
"How terrible it will be for me!" I cried, "because I am ruined! I'm a man with unclean lips, and I live among a people with unclean lips! And my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of the Heavenly Armies!"

NET Bible
I said, "Too bad for me! I am destroyed, for my lips are contaminated by sin, and I live among people whose lips are contaminated by sin. My eyes have seen the king, the LORD who commands armies."

New Heart English Bible
Then I said, "Woe is me. For I am undone, because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts."

GOD'S WORD® Translation
So I said, "Oh, no! I'm doomed. Every word that passes through my lips is sinful. I live among people with sinful lips. I have seen the king, the LORD of Armies!"

JPS Tanakh 1917
Then said I: Woe is me! for I am undone; Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; For mine eyes have seen the King, The LORD of hosts.

New American Standard 1977
Then I said, “Woe is me, for I am ruined! Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I live among a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.”

King James 2000 Bible
Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

American King James Version
Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the middle of a people of unclean lips: for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

American Standard Version
Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, Jehovah of hosts.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
And I said, Woe is me, for I am pricked to the heart; for being a man, and having unclean lips, I dwell in the midst of a people having unclean lips; and I have seen with mine eyes the King, the Lord of hosts.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And I said: Woe is me, because I have held my peace; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people that hath unclean lips, and I have seen with my eyes the King the Lord of hosts.

Darby Bible Translation
And I said, Woe unto me! for I am undone; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, Jehovah of hosts.

English Revised Version
Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

Webster's Bible Translation
Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

World English Bible
Then I said, "Woe is me! For I am undone, because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for my eyes have seen the King, Yahweh of Armies!"

Young's Literal Translation
And I say, 'Woe to me, for I have been silent, For a man -- unclean of lips am I, And in midst of a people unclean of lips I am dwelling, Because the King, Jehovah of Hosts, have my eyes seen.'

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There is nothing in those scriptures you provided dear friend that says that the unrepentant wicked receive everlasting life after the second coming. God's Word teaches

1. The unrepentant wicked do not receive eternal life *JOHN 3:36
2. The unrepentant wicked are destroyed after the second coming *2 THESSALONIANS 1:9
3. The unrepentant wicked partake of the second resurrection of condemnation *JOHN 5:28-29
4. The unrepentant wicked in the second resurrection of condemnation partake of the second death in the Lake of fire *REVELATION 20:6; REVELATION 21:7-8.
5. There is no more resurrections after the second death and no more death.

Sorry dear friend, it seems God's Word disagrees with you. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it.

What your pormoting through Universalism is not biblical.
 
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Do you know what UNIVERSALISM has in common with GENESIS 3:1-5? It is the same teaching from the same author.

How do you figure that?

Does universalism deny Adam died? No.

Does Scripture teach Adam is lost forever? No.
 
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How do you figure that?

Does universalism deny Adam died? No.

Does Scripture teach Adam is lost forever? No.
Adam and Eve turned back to God and the unrepentant wicked do not. How do you think we are saved according to the scriptures? In relation to "UNIVERSALISM", what do you think GENESIS 3:1-5 has in common with the UNIVERSALIST teaching that all the unrepentant wicked will receive eternal life?
 
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Adam and Eve turned back to God and the unrepentant wicked do not. How do you think we are saved according to the scriptures? In relation to "UNIVERSALISM", what do you think GENESIS 3:1-5 has in common with the UNIVERSALIST teaching that all the unrepentant wicked will receive eternal life?

You tell me. It was originally your idea, after all, that raised this topic.

Where does Scripture say Adam & Eve turned back to God?
 
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How then do you interpret the passage from Isaiah?

Then said I, Woe is me! for I am destroyed; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged. (Is 6:5-7)
Reading this alongside Leviticus 10:1-3 doesn’t actually contradict what LoveGodsWord is saying because the very beginning of this passage from Isaiah was Isaiah “repenting” (in the sense of being aware of his own iniquity in the presence of God) and he did face the judgement of God, which was merciful, as opposed to the sons of Aaron who were destroyed for violating the command.

In a way Isaiah’s fear could reflect exactly what he already knew happened to those sons of Aaron, and further reflected in Luke 18:11-14.
 
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Reading this alongside Leviticus 10:1-3 doesn’t actually contradict what LoveGodsWord is saying because the very beginning of this passage from Isaiah was Isaiah “repenting” (in the sense of being aware of his own iniquity in the presence of God) and he did face the judgement of God, which was merciful, as opposed to the sons of Aaron who were destroyed for violating the command.

In a way Isaiah’s fear could reflect exactly what he already knew happened to those sons of Aaron, and further reflected in Luke 18:11-14.

I prefer the idea that God will chop them up into little pieces and Fedex them to the 12 tribes. Why not, seeing as we're all for making desperate and delinquent parallels.
 
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I prefer the idea that God will chop them up into little pieces and Fedex them to the 12 tribes. Why not, seeing as we're all for making desperate and delinquent parallels.
Isaiah would have been familiar with the Torah of Moses and the laws of the Levitical priesthood. He wasn’t afraid for no reason.
 
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