Hatred of other races

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All I can do is serve as a watchman, and as a white Christian, to tell you well-intentioned, but o so naive brothers and sisters that an all-out, total war has been declared against you, me and our children.
I pray, YAHWEH to open your eyes to see the peril all around you.

It honestly saddens me that you think this way about your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. Calling human beings 'illegals' isn't Christ-like. They are humans first. Funnily enough, I actually volunteer with a lot of illegal/undocumented immigrants. I try to serve God in the ways that I can, and when I saw them in need of basic human rights like access to proper healthcare, I was motivated to learn Spanish to the point where I could help translate medical terminology and help medical personel who can't speak Spanish. These people are real people with families, children, and jobs. You can't look to the media to tell you the 'truth' about things. Funnily enough, my parents are from a third world country. My grandmother was a slave and my grandfather was captured but escaped to Germany. The thing is, if my grandparents were able to raise my father/mother in a way that prevented them from seeing all white people as 'the problem,' then what is your excuse? I read about your experiences, but if a former slave can raise non-racist children, then I don't see your excuse. My parents names were changed when their country was colonized. To this day, people ask me why my first name is African, and why my parents' names are 'American.' My dad is about your age, but he never told me white people are 'bad,' or all white people are racist. They lived in a period of colonization, but STILL never raised me to be racist.
You're right, people are naive to think that race is of absolutely no importance. But the thing is, we are humans first, then Christians, then members of our respective races. Race is a social construct, not a biological one, or a biblical one. My racial experiences are very different to yours. I grew up/still reside in a 90-95% white, affluent neighborhood. I was the only black girl in my classes. In my experience, there are racist and non-racist whites. There were some white people that are 'extra accomodating' to me, because they know I'm one of only a few minorities here, there are some that are quite the opposite. That's part of life. But I never put all white people in the same category. Everyone is different. In college, I had to distance myself from a few of my fellow black acquaintances, because the way they talked about white people was just not right. I'm sure that white students talked about black students the same way, but I didn't care about that. I am a Christian before I am a black woman. I don't condone anyone of any race making negative comments about a particular race's smells, facial features, cooking expertise, etc. I have friends of all races. While in college, I began to realize that many black students who grew up in predominately black neighborhoods operated under the assumption, 'all white people are racist until proven otherwise.' I operate under the opposite assumption, 'all white people (and people of other races) are non-racist until proven otherwise.' It's interesting to me how you present a snippet of the realities of crime in America. If we want to talk about crime in America, we have to talk about ALL crime. Is it fair for me to assume that white men are more likely to be school shooters than other races, because of the way the media presents this narrative? No. You have to look at the statistics and see if they confirm this narrative. You talk about the rapes, robberies, and other crimes committed by black people in your former town, but all I see on the (local) news where I am is white men killing their wives, white boys shooting up schools with assault rifles, pretty gruesome stuff…but do I look to the media to tell me the 'truth' or do I look at the numbers?


"In a report released Thursday titled Race and Hispanic Origin of Victims and Offenders, 2012-2015, the DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics found that a majority of most violent crimes are committed by people who are the same race as their victims. Indeed, the rate of white-on-white violent crime, it found, is about four times the rate of black-on-white crime."

So despite your anecdotal 'evidence,' and the way you try to skew the narrative, white people are more likely to be killed by other white people. This same trend is evident in other races. It's interesting that you put quotation marks around the word 'people.' No, black people are not "people," they are people. Just like every other race. You mentioned how the blacks' project was filthy and yours was clean. I guarantee you that I can find a white family with a 'filthy' project. Race has nothing to do with cleanliness. There is no correlation.

It's funny how you consider yourself a 'watchman' and propose this notion of a 'war on whites.' There is no war on whites, trust me. Show me the white man or woman that died after being knelt on for 9 minutes by a black or non-white police officer. I don't think that has ever happened in the entire history of the United States. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please). Actually, I'm 99.9% sure that never happened, because if it had, it would have went down in history. (And the police officer would have been given the death sentence).

Honestly, you have God-given free will. It's your prerogative what you think and what you say. I understand not everyone is an ally. But you aren't even neutral here, you're proposing that blacks are out to get white people, which is not the case. I honestly don't see how you came to that conclusion after watching the George Floyd video. Someone knelt on him and killed him and now there is a war on whites? I'm not understanding your line of reasoning.

Black people aren't out to get anyone, trust me. They just want to be able to live. Period. I don't think that's a lot to ask for. I pray to God that one day He will open your eyes to the reality of life; the color of our skin has no affect on what lies within. Hatred of other races is unbiblical.

And you will probably not tell me, but what exactly do you propose that white people 'do' to 'protect themselves' from this so-called, 'war on whites?' Something tells me it's unbiblical…
 
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I absolutely agree with you on this...
There was a conference I went to once and this guy had taken out every page in the bible which had mentioned either, loving your enemy, taking care of the foreigners, the orphans and widows and taking care of the sick and poor out of the bible and it had a HUGE chunk missing.

If we want to be like Christ - we have to realize one thing. We are not on the earth to accumulate as much wealth in as short of a time span as possible to retire - we are on earth to MAKE HIM KNOWN. Many countries from where these Immigrants had to flee are highly dangerous to the Gospel and anyone who believe there. So them coming here is a way for us to be safe in body and to share the story of Salvation with them.

Also I never understood borders. I mean I get the pride of a nation and a people - but I personally never understood how we as humans can be denied entry into another place - if our heart desired to go there. If we were certain Ireland would be the place where our hearts could rest - then why could I get denied the right to live there?

It never ever made sense to me.

Also what people forget (or just perhaps never considered) is this: Most immigrants don't want to leave their home. But they feel they have to. If i could have been Happi in Switzerland I would have stayed but I did not see it as a possibility at the time. I would however much have preferred to stay there. Because I understand the culture, language and customs so much better - americans still confuse me sometimes. Most don't come here to destroy our country or whatever non sense - they come here legitimately to make a place for their children to grow up where there is food, health care and safety for those they love.

Isn't that the most honorable thing a human can do? Providing for their family as best as they humanly can? And as a Christian is it not our duty to support the and help them as best WE can?
100% spot on.
 
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I challenge anyone to explain the ethical rationale for stealing and destroying others property. People want to make it about race when it isn't. It's about following the law. Scripture commands us to obey the law unless it conflicts with God's. The cop broke the law, end of story. Nothing justifies riots.
You're right, there is no ethical rationale for stealing and destroying others' property.

"Certain conditions continue to exist in our society, which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention." MLK
 
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All I can do is serve as a watchman, and as a white Christian, to tell you well-intentioned, but o so naive brothers and sisters that an all-out, total war has been declared against you, me and our children.

I read your whole story. Quite moving. I think you need to appreciate and remember one thing though. Know that you have brothers and sisters of all different skin colors many of them which are black too. I'm sure many of them feel your pain and sorrow with you about the injustices you feel you've endured and we likewise need to consider their stories in what they say as well. Everyone has tears they shed and we'll keep in mind our Lord said a day will come when he'll wipe away all the tears from our eyes and there won't be any more of these pains for the things now present will pass away and God will make all things new. (Rev 21: 4)
 
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again sir, it involves WWJD. What would Jesus do. I am all for a solid economy. I am all for voting for a good politician. But when a policy directly contradicts "loving your enemy as yourself." I shrug away from it. I don't see Jesus building a wall to keep the poor people out. Do you? I see Him breaking walls down to let the poor in.

There's so many things that could be said about this that can never be dealt with in one or two paragraph things. I'm not saying you don't make any good points at all....but keep in mind too that God didn't want all men to congregate in one particular region of the earth for a variety of reasons. We can see this in the Tower of Babel story. Gen 11:1-9

God did disperse them and even gave them unique languages which that in itself is quite astounding. It'd make it doubly hard for them to be together. In the regions to which they dispersed obviously he'd take care of them IF they'd develop their relationship with him. That might even include God crushing or taking out of power tyrants which would arise in their lands that they might fulfill their true destinies. As I said the subject is complex and no few paragraphs on a message board can properly conclude the issue.
 
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We need to see examples of good police then. Meaning a cop intervening and STOPPING another cop who is kicking, beating, or killing a citizen. And we need to see in the news that cops are not just fired but arrested for assaulting civilians. But I’ve watched countless videos of cops abusing people, watched it first hand, and they all do it together or stand by doing nothing. Where are the cops arresting other cops when they act up?

Most police have procedures to investigate internal matters. I believe most people understand this but some choose not to consider it or pretend it is not the case because of the narrative they wish to put on things. Also, the police in this case were arrested! Can anyone not following this have missed this news? So again some choose to ignore the events to push a narrative that is false.

I have not talked to anyone about this that is for the actions of the specific policemen in this very specific case. That does not mean that I nor others are not for those with the tough job of policing our society.

According to the Bible we are supposed to submit to the authorities!

And as Christians we have that ability to take our thoughts to the King of kings and Lord or lords Himself. Is that what we are doing?

Samuel told the people (1 Sam 12:14) If you will fear the Lord and serve Him, and listen to His voice and not rebel against the Lord, the both you and also the king who reigns over you will follow the Lord your God.

So are we listening to His voice and not rebelling against the Lord? If you do not feel our leaders are not following the Lord then it is our fault!! Because it if also written

1 Sam 12:15 If you will not listen to the voice of the Lord, but rebel against the command of the Lord, then the hand of the Lord will be against you, as it was against your fathers

It's not the Presidents fault, nor the governor's fault, nor the mayor's fault, nor the police's fault - look in the mirror!! Have you personally been listening to the Lord like you should?

For those who are doing that, then Jesus Christ is your Lord and if you are under His wings then "A thousand may fall at your side and ten thousand at your right hand, but it shall not approach you.'

So in this time we see thousands falling during a pandemic and riots in the streets - yet we don't consider that we are not listening to the Lord like we should!

It's not really so much that black lives matter but all lives matter. So who is listening to the Lord?

Our Christian churches are not even considered of great importance so as to be kept open where possible, according to our leaders. And that would be our fault for not listening to Him, or do you really think the God is not good for His word?
 
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Most police have procedures to investigate internal matters. I believe most people understand this but some choose not to consider it or pretend it is not the case because of the narrative they wish to put on things. Also, the police in this case were arrested! Can anyone not following this have missed this news? So again some choose to ignore the events to push a narrative that is false.

I have not talked to anyone about this that is for the actions of the specific policemen in this very specific case. That does not mean that I nor others are not for those with the tough job of policing our society.

According to the Bible we are supposed to submit to the authorities!

And as Christians we have that ability to take our thoughts to the King of kings and Lord or lords Himself. Is that what we are doing?

Samuel told the people (1 Sam 12:14) If you will fear the Lord and serve Him, and listen to His voice and not rebel against the Lord, the both you and also the king who reigns over you will follow the Lord your God.

So are we listening to His voice and not rebelling against the Lord? If you do not feel our leaders are not following the Lord then it is our fault!! Because it if also written

1 Sam 12:15 If you will not listen to the voice of the Lord, but rebel against the command of the Lord, then the hand of the Lord will be against you, as it was against your fathers

It's not the Presidents fault, nor the governor's fault, nor the mayor's fault, nor the police's fault - look in the mirror!! Have you personally been listening to the Lord like you should?

For those who are doing that, then Jesus Christ is your Lord and if you are under His wings then "A thousand may fall at your side and ten thousand at your right hand, but it shall not approach you.'

So in this time we see thousands falling during a pandemic and riots in the streets - yet we don't consider that we are not listening to the Lord like we should!

It's not really so much that black lives matter but all lives matter. So who is listening to the Lord?

Our Christian churches are not even considered of great importance so as to be kept open where possible, according to our leaders. And that would be our fault for not listening to Him, or do you really think the God is not good for His word?
The problem is that they investigate their own internal matters. Theirs no accountability when their own covers up most instances like Floyd’s death. If it weren’t for those cops being recorded, I’m pretty sure this murder would’ve been swept under the rug. Please don’t be so naive to think many cops have bad motives and personal ill beliefs about race here in America. All lives don’t matter when black lives don’t in certain instances like this. History here in America proves that. Reform to all police departments needs to happen. And that’s been the case for decades
 
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The problem is that we are not seeking the Lord like we should!!

We are not battling with flesh and blood but powers, principalities, and the dark forces of this world. Do we not understand that there are evil spirits? So who promoted racist actions of all types in all people??

Jesus Christ is the light of the world, meaning that if you get to know Him He shows you that our battle is not with flesh and blood!!

So who was behind the actions of the crooked cop? And what about the rioters who smash police cars and burn down buildings? And have we even considered that it is not our leaders but the King of kings who we need to talk to? He can take the racism out of the crooked cop and also the thug robbing stores, but how are we about praying (talking) with Him and listening to what He has to say?

Don't we get it? We bring thousands before the White House but fail to bring ourselves before the Lord!!!
 
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The problem is that we are not seeking the Lord like we should!!

We are not battling with flesh and blood but powers, principalities, and the dark forces of this world. Do we not understand that there are evil spirits? So who promoted racist actions of all types in all people??

Jesus Christ is the light of the world, meaning that if you get to know Him He shows you that our battle is not with flesh and blood!!

So who was behind the actions of the crooked cop? And what about the rioters who smash police cars and burn down buildings? And have we even considered that it is not our leaders but the King of kings who we need to talk to? He can take the racism out of the crooked cop and also the thug robbing stores, but how are we about praying (talking) with Him and listening to what He has to say?

Don't we get it? We bring thousands before the White House but fail to bring ourselves before the Lord!!!
I agree this is a sin issue. And Christ is our only hope. But as believers we still need to take a stand against this evil of oppression. Regardless of what color our skin is.
 
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Most police have procedures to investigate internal matters. I believe most people understand this but some choose not to consider it or pretend it is not the case because of the narrative they wish to put on things.

An internal investigation after the fact doesn’t prevent these murders. Of course I and others involved in this movement are aware of the investigations. We are the ones that follow them and have been lobbying local government for years to get the investigations, and to make them transparent. But what about the cops who see a fellow officer harming a citizen and do nothing? What about the “thin blue line” and the culture of protecting a fellow cop, even if it means lying for him?

Also, the police in this case were arrested! Can anyone not following this have missed this news? So again some choose to ignore the events to push a narrative that is false.

The fact that the officers were arrested was plastered on the news and all of the protesters know about it. It doesn’t bring George back. This is a movement that started long before George Floyd was murdered, and it isn’t just about George Floyd. What false narrative are you referring to?

According to the Bible we are supposed to submit to the authorities!

Jesus did not always submit to authority. Are you saying that Germans were following the Bible when they submitted to Nazi authority? Most evil in this world is committed by the orders of some type of authority. Are you really saying that just because someone has power (authority,) we should do what they say? That’s how genocide happens.

And as Christians we have that ability to take our thoughts to the King of kings and Lord or lords Himself. Is that what we are doing?

Samuel told the people (1 Sam 12:14) If you will fear the Lord and serve Him, and listen to His voice and not rebel against the Lord, the both you and also the king who reigns over you will follow the Lord your God.

So are we listening to His voice and not rebelling against the Lord? If you do not feel our leaders are not following the Lord then it is our fault!! Because it if also written

1 Sam 12:15 If you will not listen to the voice of the Lord, but rebel against the command of the Lord, then the hand of the Lord will be against you, as it was against your fathers

It's not the Presidents fault, nor the governor's fault, nor the mayor's fault, nor the police's fault - look in the mirror!! Have you personally been listening to the Lord like you should?

I really don’t know what all of this is about. The police are not God. God hates abuse, murder, injustice, and racism. We are trying to stop these evil things, why would God object? It is what we as Christians are called to do, to look out for the most vulnerable in our society.

It's not really so much that black lives matter but all lives matter. So who is listening to the Lord?

All lives should matter, but because of racism and white supremacy, blacks aren’t always treated like their lives matter. Can you explain why it bothers you that we are asking for fair treatment for black people? Why does that bother you so much?
 
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Jesus did not always submit to authority.
Have you not even read about the cross?

Jesus did and said only what the Father told Him and God and all authority comes down from Him. But who of us even listen a little?

If you do not understand that Jesus did and does submit to authority then you do not know the Lord! You do not listen to Him. It is because He submits to authority that He was put on the throne, and anyone who spends times listening to Him like they should would know this! You should even know this if you have read the Bible!

Ps 2: 4-6 He who sits in the heavens laughs, The Lord scoffs at them. Then He will speak to them in His anger and terrify them in His fury, saying, "But as for Me, I have installed My King upon Zion, My holy mountain

You people might want to read the Bible, and then seek the One whom has been made King of kings and Lord of lords, least He pour of His wrath on you.

Ps 2: 12 Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way. For His wrath may soon be kindled. How bless are all who take refuge in Him!

Jesus always had submitted to authority. We have not. And the person saying that Jesus has not always submitted to authority does not know where all authority comes from. Jesus submitted to the authority of the Father even to the point of submitting to the authority given to Pilot, who listened to a rebellious people that as group cried out for the death of Jesus at the cross.

All Christians and thus those posting here should understand this, even from just reading the Bible, but certainly because His sheep hear His voice! If then you do not understand this simple fact that Jesus always submitted to authority you obviously do not listen as instructed. You do not know the Lord. You do not listen to Him and what is said through His Holy Spirit! You not His sheep who hear His voice. But if you insist that you hear Him, then actually ask Him and listen then you will learn and be lead into all understanding.

Ps 81:8 "Hear, O My peole, and I will admonish you; O Israel, if you would listen to Me!

Ps 81:11 but My people did not listen to My voice, And Israel did not obey Me.

Ps 81:13 Oh that My people would listen to Me

Ps 81:15 Those who hate the Lord would pretend obedience to Him

So pretend obedience to Him if you want, but He knows those who listen to Him. And those who listen to Him know He is all about submitting to authority.

Have you not even read that nobody knows the Son but the Father? Yet His sheep know Him. He is the One who does and says only what the Father tells Him! So though we know Him, we only know what the Father has told Him to say and see Him do only what the Father tells Him to do - therefore we don't really know Him but the Father through Him. What we do know of Him is that He is Word of God because He has totally submitted to authority. That is something His sheep understand but those pretending obedience don't!
 
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I agree this is a sin issue. And Christ is our only hope. But as believers we still need to take a stand against this evil of oppression. Regardless of what color our skin is.

We need to stay focused on our Lord!

That is to say, we are not taking a stand against this evil of oppression, but rather that we are taking a stand with our Lord!! There is a difference!

The Lord Jesus Christ is not prejudice nor concerned about skin color. Through Him all things were made. Yet that being said; Our allegiance still lies with the Lord and not ourselves or any cause. So we need to listen to Him and find out what He wants us doing! And what does He tell you? Preach the Word?

He is the Word of God. That is He name and He is call that because He has the words of God for you personally. He has the instruction from God for you - and if for you then for other people also!

If then all people listened to Him and did what He told them, where then is prejudice?

But if all people say to themselves that they will not listen to Him and proclaim themselves to be righteous, then how can you have anything but prejudice based upon the personal thoughts of the individual?

So that if you do indeed agree with this sin issue and see Jesus Christ as our only hope, how is it you say that we need to take a stand against oppression instead of saying that we need to stand with Jesus Christ? The first implies that you ignore Jesus Christ to take a stand with other people, the second implies you listen to Jesus Christ as your Lord and are committed to His righteousness not the righteousness of people. How do we not know this?

My friends - this morning the Lord asked me to walk with Him down to the local donut shop. We walked and talked. Several issues came up, and one of those issues He discussed with me was how He was going to "put down" those who did not listen to Him. So I asked Him what He meant by "put down"? He asked me if I had read anything about "down to Sheol"? I had.

Then He talked about how men's righteousness is not good enough to get them to heaven. He said, "They have to have my righteousness, and to get that they have to listen to Me!" He said that if they listened to Him and believe then He would credit them with His righteousness. He explain that He had a house and a place, but not all would get there.

My friends- you do not take a stand with your righteousness against oppression! You take a stand with the Lord of lords and King of kings and with His righteousness.

Why say you have your hope in Him and not listen to Him?
 
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I don't understand how "Christians" say they believe in the Lord and then don't make it about seeking Him?

For me - I would like to make it about listening to Him, though I admit to getting sidetracked. Still I hear from Him everyday. We talk.

For me - I would like to see massive prayer meetings instead of massive protests.

For me - I believe if people would indeed seek Him then our lives would all be better.

For me - I find it sad that our Christian churches were not given as high a priority as our grocery stores. It is written that His words are spirit and are life and that He is the bread from heaven, but who listens?

To me - He says to obey laws, submit to authority unless He who is a higher authority tells me otherwise. He tells me to forgive and move on, putting aside the sins of others.

To me - He says do not judge but as you hear from Him you judge. I am not always perfect at that, but that is the goal.

To me - He says that all lives matter to Him, but not all lives will be with Him in heaven.

So, who among us are willing to listen to Him?


Once I asked Him to take me to see another church of His. He had me attending a spirit filled Charismatic church. I liked it, but He had told me that He had many churches though one church. When I asked I thought He might take me to a Catholic church, or maybe a messianic church. I didn't know.

In the middle of the week He had me pull up in front of this little church in an industrial park. It said something like 'Family Christian Center'. "Huh', I laughed. It looked like a number of little Charismatic churches I had once been in. I didn't see what the difference was, but the time was posted for their Sunday service and the Lord told me "Karl, I want you there this Sunday and be on-time!" That seemed weird, because it was my request but He sounded very adamite about me following through?

Sunday, about fifteen minutes before the service time I showed up. Got my Bible and went bouncing through the doors to that little church in the industrial park. I was a good fifteen feet well inside that little church before something occurred to me. I was the only white person there. A couple of other white people did show up there but not only a couple. We had a lot more variety of people at the church He had me in, but I want to tell you that it was a wonderful little church. The sinning was awesome, the Lord moved there, and it was a lot like that little Charismatic church I went to. I really like it.

The point is that if you know the Lord He makes it a wonderful place where ever the place. He is not prejudice, and he works on all of us who will submit to Him.

So I tell people to listen to Him! That is the answer - or should I say He is the answer. Will you keep trying to point others to yourselves and your righteousness? Why? Don't you know Him? If so, when are you going to start pointing people to Him and His righteousness?
 
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We need to stay focused on our Lord!

That is to say, we are not taking a stand against this evil of oppression, but rather that we are taking a stand with our Lord!! There is a difference!

The Lord Jesus Christ is not prejudice nor concerned about skin color. Through Him all things were made. Yet that being said; Our allegiance still lies with the Lord and not ourselves or any cause. So we need to listen to Him and find out what He wants us doing! And what does He tell you? Preach the Word?

He is the Word of God. That is He name and He is call that because He has the words of God for you personally. He has the instruction from God for you - and if for you then for other people also!

If then all people listened to Him and did what He told them, where then is prejudice?

But if all people say to themselves that they will not listen to Him and proclaim themselves to be righteous, then how can you have anything but prejudice based upon the personal thoughts of the individual?

So that if you do indeed agree with this sin issue and see Jesus Christ as our only hope, how is it you say that we need to take a stand against oppression instead of saying that we need to stand with Jesus Christ? The first implies that you ignore Jesus Christ to take a stand with other people, the second implies you listen to Jesus Christ as your Lord and are committed to His righteousness not the righteousness of people. How do we not know this?

My friends - this morning the Lord asked me to walk with Him down to the local donut shop. We walked and talked. Several issues came up, and one of those issues He discussed with me was how He was going to "put down" those who did not listen to Him. So I asked Him what He meant by "put down"? He asked me if I had read anything about "down to Sheol"? I had.

Then He talked about how men's righteousness is not good enough to get them to heaven. He said, "They have to have my righteousness, and to get that they have to listen to Me!" He said that if they listened to Him and believe then He would credit them with His righteousness. He explain that He had a house and a place, but not all would get there.

My friends- you do not take a stand with your righteousness against oppression! You take a stand with the Lord of lords and King of kings and with His righteousness.

Why say you have your hope in Him and not listen to Him?
Taking a stand for our Lord is to call all sin for what it is. To call all to repentance. Christ yes is our only hope of redemption. And our only hope of ridding ourselves from hatred for one another. Christ righteousness is all God sees in His chosen. So it’s not about my righteousness as you assume. It’s Christ’s righteousness imputed through faith. Would you say the same thing about believers taking a stand against abortion? I’m sure your hypocrisy will find you out sooner or later. Silence is nothing more than cowardness. Or maybe you find no issue with wicked men and women hating others on the bases of ones outward appearance like skin color? I really wonder how most of you so called Christians would carry yourselves 60 years ago. Or 200 years ago.
 
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Have you not even read about the cross?

Jesus did and said only what the Father told Him and God and all authority comes down from Him. But who of us even listen a little?

If you do not understand that Jesus did and does submit to authority then you do not know the Lord! You do not listen to Him. It is because He submits to authority that He was put on the throne, and anyone who spends times listening to Him like they should would know this! You should even know this if you have read the Bible!

Ps 2: 4-6 He who sits in the heavens laughs, The Lord scoffs at them. Then He will speak to them in His anger and terrify them in His fury, saying, "But as for Me, I have installed My King upon Zion, My holy mountain

You people might want to read the Bible, and then seek the One whom has been made King of kings and Lord of lords, least He pour of His wrath on you.

Ps 2: 12 Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way. For His wrath may soon be kindled. How bless are all who take refuge in Him!

Jesus always had submitted to authority. We have not. And the person saying that Jesus has not always submitted to authority does not know where all authority comes from. Jesus submitted to the authority of the Father even to the point of submitting to the authority given to Pilot, who listened to a rebellious people that as group cried out for the death of Jesus at the cross.

All Christians and thus those posting here should understand this, even from just reading the Bible, but certainly because His sheep hear His voice! If then you do not understand this simple fact that Jesus always submitted to authority you obviously do not listen as instructed. You do not know the Lord. You do not listen to Him and what is said through His Holy Spirit! You not His sheep who hear His voice. But if you insist that you hear Him, then actually ask Him and listen then you will learn and be lead into all understanding.

Ps 81:8 "Hear, O My peole, and I will admonish you; O Israel, if you would listen to Me!

Ps 81:11 but My people did not listen to My voice, And Israel did not obey Me.

Ps 81:13 Oh that My people would listen to Me

Ps 81:15 Those who hate the Lord would pretend obedience to Him

So pretend obedience to Him if you want, but He knows those who listen to Him. And those who listen to Him know He is all about submitting to authority.

Have you not even read that nobody knows the Son but the Father? Yet His sheep know Him. He is the One who does and says only what the Father tells Him! So though we know Him, we only know what the Father has told Him to say and see Him do only what the Father tells Him to do - therefore we don't really know Him but the Father through Him. What we do know of Him is that He is Word of God because He has totally submitted to authority. That is something His sheep understand but those pretending obedience don't!
This is so condescending. You didn’t even reply to my post, you’re just preaching at me as if I’m a child who has never read the Bible.

Should Germans have submitted to Nazi authority? Should we submit to the authority of the antichrist? When the government says you should take the mark of the beast, will you submit? Evil people are able to do great harm when other people submit to their authority. Why does might make right?
 
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This is so condescending. You didn’t even reply to my post, you’re just preaching at me as if I’m a child who has never read the Bible.

Should Germans have submitted to Nazi authority? Should we submit to the authority of the antichrist? When the government says you should take the mark of the beast, will you submit? Evil people are able to do great harm when other people submit to their authority. Why does might make right?

Condescending?

You still don't understand! All authority comes from God - but do we understand what that means?

It means you need to talk to the Lord Jesus Christ just like that Father commanded. If a person truly spends time with Him what concern are the Nazi's to you? What concern are the blacks or whites to you. If you truly know the Lord you are not out to please people but Him. You also find out so as to know that your battle is not with flesh and blood (people - black, white, cop, or Nazi) but with the rebellious spirits comprising the "powers, principalities, and dark forces of this world".

You Bible has that information inside it. It tells you to about the Christ, we call Jesus, but whose name is called "The Word of God" because He has the words of God for us. We can hear what He has to say to us via His Holy Spirit speaking to our spirit. But if you are still thinking black, white, and Nazi - it becomes obvious that your are not listening to Him but are still making it about flesh and blood. You are not aware that evil spirit want people hating other people, but are still making your battle about flesh and blood.

So are the protesters gathering as a group to seek the favor of the King of kings? We are not seeing prayer gatherings are we? NO, we are seeing people battling against flesh and blood! Be it the cop who kneels on a mans neck and kills him, or the protesters yelling at authority. Both are in a battle with flesh and blood and are missing the real battle.

Is that preaching at you? Maybe - or it could be call pointing out what should be obvious to you and especially obvious since this is a "Christian Forum". We didn't come hear without first reading the Bible and so coming to know the Lord personally like the Bible explains, did we?

Personally - I consider it condescending showing up on a Christian Forum and not knowing the Bible and the Lord Jesus Christ so as to know that our battle is not with flesh and blood! So what are we talking about when we talk about "Nazi's"? Are we not talking about a group of people who thought their battle was with flesh and blood so that they tried to physically concur the world and not knowing about the love of God and the demonic influence on them they ran concentration camps that killed millions?

We are not like them are we? Yes we are. We are people who forget that the Lord He is God, so that we don't live in the light which enables us to see where the real battle is!! And we call ourselves 'Christians' as if we really listen to and follow the Lord?

If you want to really make a difference, start listening to Him and it will no longer be about race but about following Him who is truly not racist. That doesn't mean that you might not still turn back to the flesh and again make it race of political agenda ( the Nazi's were both about race and political agenda), but if you listen to Him He will work on you, teach you, give you wisdom, and make you aware of the real battle.

My friends - My Lord has me attending a rather large Christian church. One of the things I love about it is that they are into foreign missions. They reach out to help and minister in Africa, Eastern Asia, the Middle East, South American, and south of the border in Mexico. That is what the Lord has our Pastor focusing on. That is how the Lord is! He doesn't have me work in those areas. He personally has me manning the prayer room, going on hospital visits, and has had me helping in a number of other areas. I mean He personally tells me to do those things and attend the very specific church He has me attending. That is my part of His work. You need to listen to Him so that you will be doing your very specific things He personally tells you to do!

If He actually tells you to go to a protest, then do it, but did He? From my personal experience He is not about yelling at the authorities because He put them in place. And if you listen to Him then He promises to put someone in place above you that listens to Him. If not then what will He put above you?

So if you listen for the instructions from God, then Jesus Christ who does and says only what the Father tells Him will be your Lord. If you don't listen then know that Satan has also been given authority, by God, over people. You might want to read the book of Job. Even Job who tried to do what is right and honor God like no other person on earth was still turned over to Satan so that He might learn to seek and listen to the Lord.

Job 42:4 Hear, now, and I will speak; I will ask You, and You instruct me."

That was where Job needed to get to and why God let Satan work Job over. Job had to learn that he need to ask the Lord and let the Lord instruct him. Do we want to go through all that to learn that lesson?
 
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Taking a stand for our Lord is to call all sin for what it is. To call all to repentance. Christ yes is our only hope of redemption. And our only hope of ridding ourselves from hatred for one another. Christ righteousness is all God sees in His chosen. So it’s not about my righteousness as you assume. It’s Christ’s righteousness imputed through faith. Would you say the same thing about believers taking a stand against abortion? I’m sure your hypocrisy will find you out sooner or later. Silence is nothing more than cowardness. Or maybe you find no issue with wicked men and women hating others on the bases of ones outward appearance like skin color? I really wonder how most of you so called Christians would carry yourselves 60 years ago. Or 200 years ago.

I appreciate what you are trying to say, but you are still missing something and that something is actually listening to the Lord. It is one thing to say 'I am a Christian' and another to actually listen to His small voice today and through out the day and actually do what He asks you to do.

Christ's righteousness is not "imputed through faith" but it is imputed by hearing from Him personally and doing what He asks you personally to do!

And concerning wicked men and women, have you not read where Jesus said "If you being evil..."

We are selfish men and women. We think about us. Perhaps we can find think about giving a good gift but only God is good! You have read that in the Bible right? So if we are call others wicked are we looking at the speck in their eye and missing the log in ours? Are we judging others by our judgement or are we judging by what we hear?

And concerning silence have I not boldly told you to listen to the Lord? Again, only God is good, not you or me. If you truly want to know His righteousness you will have to personally listen to Him!! And if you think you have no sin you need to consider what is written and seek His voice.

Jn 1:8 If we say we have not sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

My friends, it is not about what we have an issue with but about listening to Him and obeying what He asks us to do. Abram was counted as being righteous, not because he did everything right but because he hear from the Lord and believe He was God. So you are not righteous because of your good deeds and great thinking but because you listen to Him and believe. So if you say the Christ is our only hope of ridding ourselves from hating one another, how come you are not listening to Him and encouraging others to do the same?

Who indeed is the hypocrite but the person thinking that the other person is the wick person so as to think they have no sin. That then become there reason for not seeking the Lord. If you realize you are the wicked person who finds the principle that evil is present in you then you would realize your need to seek the Lord for help. Didn't Paul write about this subject?

Rm 7:21 I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who want to do good

Rm 7:24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from this body of death?

Rm 8:6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace.

Now what are we talking about when we talk about the color of the person's skin, if not flesh?

So then the white man looking at a black man and focusing on his skin color is wrong, just like the black man looking at a white man and focusing on his skin color is wrong. Neither are seeking the Lord because their mind is set on the flesh!! So we see the bad cop, the bad leader, the bad white man, the bad black man, the protests, the riots, the fires - yet where is God in all this? Who is reminding other to seek Him and listen to Him? Who is leading prayer rallies. Churches get burned and we think the hypocrite is not us?

I see a problem, and it is in me also. I don't listen to Him enough! I hear from Him about a dozen times a day, but that is not enough. I find that evil distracts me. I find moments where I think how that other person is wrong. Then I realize that everyone is like me. They don't listen to Him enough either. Then I turn back to Him and we walk and talk together again.

So what should I say to the person who writes " I really wonder how most of you so called Christians would carry yourselves 60 years ago. Or 200 years ago."? I don't know about most "Christians", but I would write the same then as today. Paul wrote it pretty well a couple of thousand years ago. So did Isaiah before him, and Moses before him. People have not been seeking the Lord like they should for a long time and there is something written about there being nothing new under the Sun. You don't think looking at the flesh (skin color of a person) instead of God is something new do you?
 
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I appreciate what you are trying to say, but you are still missing something and that something is actually listening to the Lord. It is one thing to say 'I am a Christian' and another to actually listen to His small voice today and through out the day and actually do what He asks you to do.

Christ's righteousness is not "imputed through faith" but it is imputed by hearing from Him personally and doing what He asks you personally to do!

And concerning wicked men and women, have you not read where Jesus said "If you being evil..."

We are selfish men and women. We think about us. Perhaps we can find think about giving a good gift but only God is good! You have read that in the Bible right? So if we are call others wicked are we looking at the speck in their eye and missing the log in ours? Are we judging others by our judgement or are we judging by what we hear?

And concerning silence have I not boldly told you to listen to the Lord? Again, only God is good, not you or me. If you truly want to know His righteousness you will have to personally listen to Him!! And if you think you have no sin you need to consider what is written and seek His voice.

Jn 1:8 If we say we have not sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

My friends, it is not about what we have an issue with but about listening to Him and obeying what He asks us to do. Abram was counted as being righteous, not because he did everything right but because he hear from the Lord and believe He was God. So you are not righteous because of your good deeds and great thinking but because you listen to Him and believe. So if you say the Christ is our only hope of ridding ourselves from hating one another, how come you are not listening to Him and encouraging others to do the same?

Who indeed is the hypocrite but the person thinking that the other person is the wick person so as to think they have no sin. That then become there reason for not seeking the Lord. If you realize you are the wicked person who finds the principle that evil is present in you then you would realize your need to seek the Lord for help. Didn't Paul write about this subject?

Rm 7:21 I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who want to do good

Rm 7:24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from this body of death?

Rm 8:6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace.

Now what are we talking about when we talk about the color of the person's skin, if not flesh?

So then the white man looking at a black man and focusing on his skin color is wrong, just like the black man looking at a white man and focusing on his skin color is wrong. Neither are seeking the Lord because their mind is set on the flesh!! So we see the bad cop, the bad leader, the bad white man, the bad black man, the protests, the riots, the fires - yet where is God in all this? Who is reminding other to seek Him and listen to Him? Who is leading prayer rallies. Churches get burned and we think the hypocrite is not us?

I see a problem, and it is in me also. I don't listen to Him enough! I hear from Him about a dozen times a day, but that is not enough. I find that evil distracts me. I find moments where I think how that other person is wrong. Then I realize that everyone is like me. They don't listen to Him enough either. Then I turn back to Him and we walk and talk together again.

So what should I say to the person who writes " I really wonder how most of you so called Christians would carry yourselves 60 years ago. Or 200 years ago."? I don't know about most "Christians", but I would write the same then as today. Paul wrote it pretty well a couple of thousand years ago. So did Isaiah before him, and Moses before him. People have not been seeking the Lord like they should for a long time and there is something written about there being nothing new under the Sun. You don't think looking at the flesh (skin color of a person) instead of God is something new do you?
You said a whole lot to say nothing at all. And what exactly have you heard to do? Sounds like a continuation of silence to me. Which is nothing more than cowardness and approval of wicked behavior. Your message is superficial with no substance. I wonder 60 years ago living in the midst of oppression and Jim Crow in the south if your superficial message and conduct would be the same. Or maybe during slavery time. Like I said I wonder if you come against believers protesting and making a strong stance against abortion the same way. And your understanding of imputation is wrong and promotes self righteousness. Romans 4:5. This is biblical imputation that results in justification. Have you read your Bible?
 
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You said a whole lot to say nothing at all. And what exactly have you heard to do? Sounds like a continuation of silence to me. Which is nothing more than cowardness and approval of wicked behavior. Your message is superficial with no substance. I wonder 60 years ago living in the midst of oppression and Jim Crow in the south if your superficial message and conduct would be the same. Or maybe during slavery time. Like I said I wonder if you come against believers protesting and making a strong stance against abortion the same way. And your understanding of imputation is wrong and promotes self righteousness. Romans 4:5. This is biblical imputation that results in justification. Have you read your Bible?

The Lord once told me, "Karl, I want you to preach the Word but not as it is so often preached today. I want you to preach I Am the Word of God."

Now I hear from Him everyday, and that is what we all need to do. If that sounds like 'nothing' you are not listening to Him!

But let me talk more specifically about the current situation and some things He has told me personally. He has talked to me about rebellion a number of times recently. That is a matter of the heart, and ultimately our rebellion is against Him if we don't seek Him and listen for our instructions from Him.

Let me get more specific even. A few weeks ago, before this Black lives matter protests occurred, He talked to me specifically about protests being rebellion. Specifically He talked to me about a protest that happen in Huntington Beach over the beaches opening up during the Covid 19 problem. He talked to me because I used to be a surfer and lived 4 blocks from the beach in Huntington Beach. I am too old for that now, but I certainly felt the beaches should have been open. From experience I know that surfers usually don't get within six feet of other surfers. You don't want to be next to other surfers and except for the pier at HB, there are long stretches of open sand beaches with waves coming in all over the place. So the restriction seemed wrong to me.

Never-the-less, the Lord talked to me about how rebellion is still rebellion. He explained that it is ok to communicate with leaders to express our thoughts and try and get correction, but it is not our decision if we are not the leaders. In that respect a peaceful meeting as a demonstration for communication is appropriate so long as it is done according to the laws of the land. And more importantly, before doing that we "Christians" should have talked to Him, as the King of kings and Lord of lords, for specific instructions. He might not even need us to do anything, except for praying for our leaders!

So what about angry events called "Protests"? The name implies we are protesting the decisions made by our leaders, which implies a bit different meaning than just communication. He did note that it is still a matter of the heart, but if people are yelling at and getting upset at the police, mayors, and other leaders you have transitioned into rebellion. He explained that He would judge the heart of every person individually even in the large groups, but He also explained that many (and it seemed He meant most) were angry and not just trying to communicate.

He then pointed out to me personally the scripture Mat 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing', shall be guilty before the supreme court...

He also talked to me about what the crowds of people were like when He enter Jerusalem. Remember that the crowds we joyfully and put palm branches before Him, and perhaps that needed to happen, but He also commented about how if they only knew what would bring the peace at that time, but as it was it was not going to be good for them. Then later the crowd cried for Him being put on the cross.

Crowd mentality is not always the best, and we should understand that even without listening to Him. Yet if we do listen to Him we would have the information that really lead to peace. For Him that meant submitting to the cross liked the Father told Him to do. He explained that He could have called on an army of angels, and a quick look at what angels did in the Bible, they could have kill the entire city, but that was not the plan. We are told to pick up our cross, but how are we going to know what the means if we are not listening to Him?

Now God can take what the devil mean for evil and turn it into good for those who love Him, and He has a plan which must include that ability of His. So people have been provoked to anger and probably to be prejudice also, but who is doing the provoking if not the devil? Yet we don't see and understand that because we don't listen to Him. And how did we wind up with the coronas virus problem? Have we considered that we need to turn back to Him and listen to what He has to say to us?

So if you are a white policeman and you got upset and wound up killing a black suspect, who really encouraged your prejudice and violent action, if not the devil. So someone was not listening to the Lord Jesus Christ. Now black men point the finger at white policemen and leader in general and engage in angry protest, even if they didn't actually kill, burn, loot, and destroy they are still guilty before God if they are angry with others, and they too were encourage in such actions to anger by the devil because they didn't listen to the Lord.

That is not true with all, according to what I was told by the Lord, but too many. Do we even have to be told by the Lord while on a walk with Him, like I was, to understand that. Never-the-less, talk to Him and He will explain what you have read about in the Bible and show you how it applies today.

I have not been quite about telling people to listen to Him! But perhaps many need to be quite and listen to Him!
 
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I can see you guys are heated. I am just saying that we should love better. Dig deep. Find those thoughts of unlove, and unacceptance and rid our heart of those feelings. We all have them. But it's the Godly who forsake sin and repent. That is the only difference....

My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. I John 3:18

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Amen. There is far too much anger and hatred. The bitter divisions within the USA runs deep, and it is not the first time the nation is bitterly divided on this issue. Its like war. We are all guilty of this. This is what Satan loves, esp if Christians are at each other throats on this issue. There must be another way than that.
 
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