LDS when and how did God become the father of our spirits

Jamesone5 said:

You love knowledge, especially the knowledge that is found is scriptures"

Truth is in the fact that there is foolish knowledge and true knowledge as in these verses

Isaiah 44:24-25
“I am the Lord, who makes all things,
Who stretches out the heavens a]'>[a]all alone,
Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;
25 Who frustrates the signs of the babblers,
And drives diviners mad;
Who turns wise men backward,
And makes their knowledge foolishness

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Daniel Marsh said:

when and how did God become the father of our spirits?
when and how did God give us a Soul?
Is mind a part of our spirit or a part of our soul?

Some LDS proof texts are:
Hebrews 12:9 leaves open creation of our spirits
Psalms 82:6 in context speaks of wrongful judges who belonged to God
Romans 8:16-18 in context we become his children when we are born of the Spirit.

Romans 8:15
The Spirit that we received is not a spirit that makes us slaves again and causes us to fear. The Spirit that we have makes us God’s chosen children. And with that Spirit we cry out, “ Abba, Father.”

Galatians 4:6 Since you are now God’s children, he has sent the Spirit of his Son into your hearts. The Spirit cries out, “ Abba, Father.”

above two texts shows a transition. We need working definitions of mind, spirit and soul too.

A Reformed Protestant view:

"(2) We learn further that God took the human form so constructed by his hand and breathed into him the breath of life. God, not himself being a human form, cannot exhale carbon dioxide or even oxygen and breathe it into man. No, we recognize that we have here an anthropomorphic expression (a truth set forth in language perceptible to man). God's "breathing into" has reference to his creative act of making the human form a living being in whom the spirit (breath of God) is the life-giving essence, the life principle. Human life is the living spirit. Man is of vertical origin, from God. He is spirit. Horizontally he is linked to creation in the form he takes from creation about him. God infuses spirit in man's earthly form so that he becomes an organic whole."
A Christian Theory of the Person

Genesis 2:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:7 Expanded Bible (EXB)
7 Then the Lord God took dust from the ground and formed a man from it [C there is wordplay between “ground” (adama) and “man” (adam)]. He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nose, and the man became a living person.

LDS view:

"God is not only our Ruler and Creator; He is also our Heavenly Father. All men and women are literally the sons and daughters of God. “Man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father, prior to coming upon the earth in a temporal [physical] body” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith [1998], 335)."
Spirit Children of Heavenly Parents

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YeshuaFan said:

We have souls given us by God when created at conception , as we did not pre exist!

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He is the way said:

No assumption needed because this is what it says:

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Try as you may you can not stop it from saying what it says.

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Jamesone5 said:

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee,
that they also may be one in us​

True Believers are still a separate ONE and not ONE with Christ as your fellow Mormon insisted here

Jesus can give us the power to be one with him---Peter1000

And it says US as in the Father and the Son.

The word IN -----is the key, but then Mormons like to assume things that the Bible does not say.

We can debate your rendering forever and it will not change a thing as to it's truth.
Back at you with:

Try as you may you can not stop it from saying what it says

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He is the way said:

So we can be one in them in glory and perfection as they are one:

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Jesus Christ lifts us up to more than we can be. I am so grateful for His LOVE kindness and charity. Without Him we would be lost forever. Praise honor and glory be to God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Jamesone5 said:

So we can be one in them in glory and perfection as they are one:-----HITW
versus

"Jesus said that He has the power to perfect us so we can be ONE with Him and the Father---HITW

So you were wrong on the Mormon assertion of WITH?
IN as it reads?

Just to be clear before we move on.​

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He is the way said:

(Old Testament | Job 38:4 - 7)

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 5:1)

1 FOR we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

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Jamesone5 said:

You are just throwing out you petty opinions,---hardly the Bible or this circle you claim. Here is a Bible verse for YOU to chew on

Proverbs 1:22
“How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity? For scorners delight in their scorning, And fools hate knowledge.

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Peter1000 said:

Thanks, here is a scripture for you to think on:
Proverbs 1:22
“How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity? For scorners delight in their scorning, And fools hate knowledge.

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YeshuaFan said:

Those were the angelic host, NOT human beings!

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He is the way said:

Just to be clear, if we are one in them, we are also one with them.

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Peter1000 said:

Thanks, here is a scripture for you to think on:
Proverbs 1:22
“How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity? For scorners delight in their scorning, And fools hate knowledge.

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Jamesone5 said:

Let's see a good example would be your Chruch.

the Mormon church that is one IN Christianity-----there goes your one true Church claim as it is NOT compatible. You would have to deny your BoM and your other two works as well.

while the Mormon Church that is one with Christianity----You can make that claim, although only Mormons believe it.

Seems you claims fall apart no matter what choice you make here.
But then we already knew that with your different Christ and all the other weird beliefs.

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He is the way said:

Are you saying that a person can be one in God and not be with God?

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Jamesone5 said:

Would that not make you another God ------being with God?



But I guess you probably will think that--satan suggested you can "Be like God"

You do the math.

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He is the way said:

Satan did not write the Bible.

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He is the way said:

So you are saying they were not the sons of God?

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