I am Obsessed with Paul’s Gospel — Here’s Why!

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So, you are saved by obeying God's command?

Yes, obeying God shows your faith in him, and as Hebrews 11 stated, without faith its impossible to please God.

God commands all of us, thru Paul in Romans 4:5, to cease from all works and trust in Jesus's finished work on the cross.

When we obey that in faith, he saves us in his grace.
 
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Yes, obeying God shows your faith in him, and as Hebrews 11 stated, without faith its impossible to please God.

God commands all of us, thru Paul in Romans 4:5, to cease from all works and trust in Jesus's finished work on the cross.

When we obey that in faith, he saves us in his grace.


Believing Him will lead to obedience out of a thankful heart.
 
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God commands all of us, thru Paul in Romans 4:5, to cease from all works and trust in Jesus's finished work on the cross.

He asks us to not come at Him with a business contract, because He doesn't want that kind of relationship.

When we obey that in faith, he saves us in his grace.

He has already done everything for us as He is a Loving Creator and always has been.
 
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Believing Him will lead to obedience out of a thankful heart.


And not because we want something in exchange, but because we recognize that every thing He has Said to us is good, for our good.
 
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He asks us to not come at Him with a business contract, because He doesn't want that kind of relationship.



He has already done everything for us as He is a Loving Creator and always has been.

I am using Hebrews 11 as reference here. Without faith its impossible to please God.
 
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I am using Hebrews 11 as reference here. Without faith its impossible to please God.

And have you read about the champions of faith who looked past their temporal circumstances and looked towards the country He has created for us?
 
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galatians 2 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.

2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

If all of them were preaching the same gospel, there would be no need for Paul to communicate that to them, and the Jerusalem Council would be redundant.

You need to understand that when Paul wrote Galatians, people were attacking the Gospel. And one way of doing that was by discrediting the person who preached it. Opponents of the Gospel were saying "don't listen to Paul. He wasn't one of the 12 and is not a real Apostle". Some were saying that Paul only heard the Gospel from the 12, was copying what they were saying and had not met Jesus for himself.
So Paul takes pains to point out that a) he was called by God himself, and the Gospel was revealed to him by God not man, b) 3 years after his conversion he met with Peter, and a couple of other Apostles, c) 14 years after that he went to the leaders of the church and spoke to them privately - so they heard for themselves the Gospel that he was preaching and could have corrected him if he had got it wrong, or missed bits out.

There is only one Gospel. If Paul was preaching a different Gospel from the rest of the church, he was a hypocrite, because he himself said that there was only one.
The Gospel was being preached, and people converted, long before Paul met the risen Christ.
 
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Your point was very clear that you believe John 3:16 is the gospel in the nutshell correct? You mean that was not your view?

I didn't say that.
I said,
John 3:16 has been described as "the Gospel in a nutshell."
(emphasis mine.)

I didn't say that that was my view.
Personally I think it would be more accurate to say that John 3:16 is salvation in a nutshell - i.e the way to be saved is to some to Jesus and receive eternal life.
John 3:16 does not mention the incarnation or resurrection. Salvation is through Jesus, yes; but it presupposes that a person has already explained to an unbeliever who Jesus was and is.
 
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I didn't say that.
I said,
(emphasis mine.)

I didn't say that that was my view.
Personally I think it would be more accurate to say that John 3:16 is salvation in a nutshell - i.e the way to be saved is to some to Jesus and receive eternal life.
John 3:16 does not mention the incarnation or resurrection. Salvation is through Jesus, yes; but it presupposes that a person has already explained to an unbeliever who Jesus was and is.

Well you can define gospel as good news unto salvation, so my point remains then, John 3:16 is not salvation in a nutshell for us now.
 
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You need to understand that when Paul wrote Galatians, people were attacking the Gospel. And one way of doing that was by discrediting the person who preached it. Opponents of the Gospel were saying "don't listen to Paul. He wasn't one of the 12 and is not a real Apostle". Some were saying that Paul only heard the Gospel from the 12, was copying what they were saying and had not met Jesus for himself.
So Paul takes pains to point out that a) he was called by God himself, and the Gospel was revealed to him by God not man, b) 3 years after his conversion he met with Peter, and a couple of other Apostles, c) 14 years after that he went to the leaders of the church and spoke to them privately - so they heard for themselves the Gospel that he was preaching and could have corrected him if he had got it wrong, or missed bits out.

There is only one Gospel. If Paul was preaching a different Gospel from the rest of the church, he was a hypocrite, because he himself said that there was only one.
The Gospel was being preached, and people converted, long before Paul met the risen Christ.

Okay, since you don't distinguish the Gospel of the Kingdom that was for Israel only, and the gospel of grace that is for salvation for the body of Christ now, I can understand why you interpret what went down in Acts 15 and Galatians 2 the way you do.
 
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If Paul taught the same gospel as those before him, then why did he call it “my gospel” three times?

I would imagine to differentiate it from any other "Gospel" that was being preached.
If his Gospel was different from THE Gospel then he was a hypocrite, because he says that there is only one, Galatians 1:6-10.

Paul uses both phrases “the gospel” and “our gospel” in his epistles, but when Paul mentions “my gospel” it shows that he had a unique message.

He didn't have a unique message - but he was called to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, and preach that salvation is through Christ, who has reconciled us to God by the cross, and not by being circumcised and keeping the food laws.

My Gospel: to Jew and Gentile

Paul’s gospel made no distinction between Jew or Gentile. All are counted in unbelief as sinners, and are judged by God without respect of persons whether given the law or not.

Therefore, Paul says:

“In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.” – Romans 2:16

Jesus himself taught that God knows the thoughts of our hearts, Matthew 9:4, Mark 2:8, John 5:42. In the temple, Simeon prophesied to Mary that Jesus would reveal the thoughts of many hearts, Luke 2:35.
Jesus taught that whatever people tried to hide in darkness would be revealed, Matthew 10:26, Mark 4:22, Luke 12:2-3. He also taught that anyone who rejected him would be judged, John 12:46, Matthew 21:42-44, and spoke of all nations of the world standing before God, Matthew 25:31-46.
This was not some unique idea given only to Paul.


During time past, Jesus’ earthly ministry, and up to his encounter with the Roman, Cornelius, there was a distinction between Jew and Gentile in Peter’s ministry preaching. The Jews had a special spiritual standing with the Lord. Gentiles did not.

That was certainly true in the OT. And yet, the Jews were supposed to be light for the Gentiles - all would come to believe in God because the Jews would model a correct relationship with God in obedience to his word.
Trouble was, that they did not and could not do this. So God made a NEW covenant. He had already promised that someone from David's line would sit on the throne forever. It was also prophesied that the messiah would be from David's line, and Jesus fulfilled that, Luke 1:32, Luke 1:69.
Jesus spoke to, and healed, Gentiles while he was on earth. He spoke of branches in the vine being cut off, and said that he had other sheep that he needed to be brought into the fold.

My Gospel to Stablish

Paul says “my gospel” is how God stablishes the Romans.

Not quite sure what you mean by that.
Paul was writing to the believers in Rome. He had not at that point visited Rome, he wrote the letter before he got there; but there were believers who had heard the Gospel and believed.

To the Corinthians, Paul claims to be the masterbuilder who lays the foundation of the grace of God upon which other men build.

“According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon.” – 1 Corinthians 3:10

Yes, he founded the church in Corinth. He first preached the Gospel to them; when he wasn't there, and in years ahead, others would lead them on in the faith.

Resurrection According to My Gospel

Resurrection was a part of Jewish prophecy, Jesus foretold his own, and Peter preached the resurrection of Christ before Paul was saved. So how could Paul say this?

“Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:” – 2 Timothy 2:8

The fact of the resurrection was prophesied, and both Paul and the twelve taught it (1 Cor 15:11). However, the resurrection of Christ was preached by Peter as proof of his Messiahship, and assurance of the kingdom come.

Paul preached the resurrection of Christ as the means of salvation and sanctification for all humanity as part of a new creature, the church the Body of Christ.

Peter preached Jesus, crucified and raised from the dead, and that those who believed in him would receive the Holy Spirit. He said that salvation was through Jesus alone, Acts of the apostles 4:12, and even quoted from Joel, which says the same thing, Joel 2:32, Acts of the Apostles 2:21.
If Peter wrote any letters to the believers in the places that he preached the Gospel, we don't have them. Only 2 letters in the NT are by him, though many believe that he was the source behind Mark's Gospel - i.e Peter spoke/dictated to Mark, who wrote it down.

Paul’s gospel message was entirely of Christ, and so Paul stands alone in calling it “the gospel of Christ” and “Christ’s gospel”, but that he also calls it “my gospel” can only be explained by the fact that Christ gave it first to Paul exclusively.

The how do you account for the fact that
a) many were converted, became believers and received the Holy Spirit before Paul did
and b) that Paul himself said that there is only ONE Gospel, Galatians 1:6-10?
 
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Well you can define gospel as good news unto salvation, so my point remains then, John 3:16 is not salvation in a nutshell for us now.

Basically, the Gospel is "come to Jesus and you will be saved and have eternal life".
Obviously we need to explain who Jesus was - God and man - why we need to be saved from sin, how Jesus was raised from the dead and is alive today and how we can believe his words that he is the giver of eternal life.

John 3:16 does not say all that, and I don't believe, or teach, that it is the Gospel in a nutshell.
Yet you wrote that that is clearly my position.
My position is that Jesus saves, no one else. Jesus is the way to the Father. People were proclaiming the Good News about Jesus and receiving salvation before Paul came onto the scene.
 
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Basically, the Gospel is "come to Jesus and you will be saved and have eternal life".
Obviously we need to explain who Jesus was - God and man - why we need to be saved from sin, how Jesus was raised from the dead and is alive today and how we can believe his words that he is the giver of eternal life.

John 3:16 does not say all that, and I don't believe, or teach, that it is the Gospel in a nutshell.
Yet you wrote that that is clearly my position.
My position is that Jesus saves, no one else. Jesus is the way to the Father. People were proclaiming the Good News about Jesus and receiving salvation before Paul came onto the scene.

You already stated in that post that "Personally I think it would be more accurate to say that John 3:16 is salvation in a nutshell ", I am just using your words there.

The gospel that saves now is found in 1 Cor 15:1-4, as I have said many times.

You believe that Jesus died for your sins, and rose again from the dead.
 
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Peter preached Jesus, crucified and raised from the dead, and that those who believed in him would receive the Holy Spirit. He said that salvation was through Jesus alone, Acts of the apostles 4:12, and even quoted from Joel, which says the same thing, Joel 2:32, Acts of the Apostles 2:21.

Peter preached the cross as a murder indictment to Israel in Acts 2 and 3.

Peter preached the resurrection of Jesus, not as a sign that Israel's sins are forever put away, but as a sign that Jesus was indeed the Christ, the son of God (Acts 2:36).

All these are pretty far away from 1 Cor 15:1-4.
 
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You already stated in that post that "Personally I think it would be more accurate to say that John 3:16 is salvation in a nutshell ", I am just using your words there.

Basically, Jesus saves and gives eternal life.
Obviously you would need to explain who Jesus was before anyone would believe in him - that includes explaining the resurrection and that Jesus is alive today.

You believe that Jesus died for your sins, and rose again from the dead.

I would hope all Christians believe that.
 
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Peter preached the cross as a murder indictment to Israel in Acts 2 and 3.

Peter preached the resurrection of Jesus, not as a sign that Israel's sins are forever put away, but as a sign that Jesus was indeed the Christ, the son of God (Acts 2:36).

All these are pretty far away from 1 Cor 15:1-4.

So what are you saying - that Peter didn't preach the Gospel, that those who were are told were saved, weren't and that no one knew what the Gospel was until Paul came along?

The Jews and Jewish leaders had known who Jesus was. They had seen his miracles, heard his teachings and that he claimed to be God; that was why they crucified him. Peter was telling them that a) Jesus was alive and b) that he was the Messiah they had been waiting for. He told them to repent and their sins would be forgiven, Acts of the Apostles 2:38-40, Acts of the Apostles 3:19.
 
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So what are you saying - that Peter didn't preach the Gospel, that those who were are told were saved, weren't and that no one knew what the Gospel was until Paul came along?

The Jews and Jewish leaders had known who Jesus was. They had seen his miracles, heard his teachings and that he claimed to be God; that was why they crucified him. Peter was telling them that a) Jesus was alive and b) that he was the Messiah they had been waiting for. He told them to repent and their sins would be forgiven, Acts of the Apostles 2:38-40, Acts of the Apostles 3:19.

Peter preached the gospel of the kingdom, which is based on Jesus's identity as the Son of God and promised Messiah to Israel (John 20:31).

Israel and their leaders rejected the identity of Jesus. By that rejection, they did a wicked deed by putting him on the cross (Acts 2:36), that is why Peter preached the need for them to repent of that wicked act, change their minds about who Jesus is, and be water baptized (Acts 2:38)

That is NOT the gospel that saves us today (1 Cor 15:1-4)
 
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Peter preached the gospel of the kingdom, which is based on Jesus's identity as the Son of God and promised Messiah to Israel (John 20:31).

Israel and their leaders rejected the identity of Jesus. By that rejection, they did a wicked deed by putting him on the cross (Acts 2:36), that is why Peter preached the need for them to repent of that wicked act, change their minds about who Jesus is, and be water baptized (Acts 2:38)

That is NOT the gospel that saves us today (1 Cor 15:1-4)

There is only ONE Gospel.
Peter, Philip, Paul and others preached the Good News of Jesus and salvation through him alone.
 
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In Matthew 19:16, Jesus was asked about what he needed to do to enter into eternal life, so that is what he was answering in verse 17. The fact that Jesus went on to say he would be rewarded for selling all he had does not negate that he had spoke in regard to eternal life.

Yes but again, this is about the reward part of eternal life. and not addressing how an unbeliever becomes a believer receiving Eternal Life.

The same account in Mark states inherent eternal life. Inherent is always connected with receiving rewards.
 
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I have never encountered such a complete misunderstanding of Galatians.....I never thought it was possible ....
You have really misquoted Scripture.....Paul said that circumcision was Of no value and if you put any faith in it you were required to keep “ The Whole Law”.
“ what COUNTS is keeping God’s Commandments”..... That is a flat out lie. Quite the contrary —- Paul said what “ counted “ was “FAITH acting through Love”.The entire Book Of Galatians devotes itself to how we are no longer under ANY Law....we are under Grace....Those new to the Faith should read Galatians for themselves and see how the Poster twisted Scripture....
6 Let the one who is taught the word share all good things with the one who teaches. 7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. 8 For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 9 And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up. 10 So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.
 
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