Was the Great Pyramid Built Before Noah's Flood?

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Are we saying that God actually "rested" (and that was due to ..) ? And that a physical fruit corrupted the human nature so bad that God Himself had to intervener to restore it?

God transcends time and Creation is an instantaneous process so, there is no duration. (post #47)

Primary audience of Genesis were the people who lived 3000 - 4000 years ago so, I would expect it to use metaphors. Additionally, Creation is not something that can be explained in human language - no matter how much progress Science makes, it will never be able to explain how something came into existence out of nothing.

God's rest isn't 'Ah lets take a rest on this couch'
He gave the ancients something tangible like small children because they did not have the Holy Spirit. They needed concrete things. God gave them 6 days to work and one to 'rest', the sabbath to worship him. It was the formation of the week but it was merely a shadow, like much of the Old Testament is.
We are supposed to be in God's 'rest' every day because we are called to be far more than the ancient Israelites observing a written law, we are a spiritual people.

Hebrews 4:1
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it.

Hebrews 4:3
For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, ‘They shall not enter my rest,’” although his works were finished from the foundation of the world.

The physical fruit corrupted them because of disobedience. Again God gave them something tangible.

Is a man raising from the dead any more of a miracle?
 
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God's rest isn't 'Ah lets take a rest on this couch'
He gave the ancients something tangible like small children because they did not have the Holy Spirit.

Isn't this another way of saying that Genesis not to be interpreted literally?

In the same way God's rest not to be taken literally, "days" also not literal because God transceds the time and Creation is instantaneous
 
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The 24 hour periods mentioned in Genesis. They cannot be 24 hour periods because the 6th day in which animal and human life is created and in which we still live has been going on for at least 6000 years so far, according to the Bible.
The creation was based on the first words that God said in Genesis 1:1 translated in English "Light be". Therefore the speed of creation occurred at light speed and yet each day is 24hrs long. On the 7th day God ceased creating, the light speed ceased and days are still 24hrs long.

I believe that God created quickly in the same way that I believe that the healing power occurred quickly in Jesus ministry.. Jesus stated that God did the works, so God healed or in some cases created missing body parts of the people at light speed even while all other things continued to pass slowly within 24hrs.
 
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God's rest isn't 'Ah lets take a rest on this couch'
He gave the ancients something tangible like small children because they did not have the Holy Spirit. They needed concrete things. God gave them 6 days to work and one to 'rest', the sabbath to worship him. It was the formation of the week but it was merely a shadow, like much of the Old Testament is.
We are supposed to be in God's 'rest' every day because we are called to be far more than the ancient Israelites observing a written law, we are a spiritual people.

Hebrews 4:1
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it.

Hebrews 4:3
For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, ‘They shall not enter my rest,’” although his works were finished from the foundation of the world.

The physical fruit corrupted them because of disobedience. Again God gave them something tangible.

Is a man raising from the dead any more of a miracle?
That's exactly right, God gave these simple people a simple account in Genesis, an account of creation that they could understand.

That is what they were told and is all they needed to know.
 
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Are we saying that God actually "rested" (and that was due to ..) ? And that a physical fruit corrupted the human nature so bad that God Himself had to intervener to restore it?

God transcends time and Creation is an instantaneous process so, there is no duration. (post #47)

Primary audience of Genesis were the people who lived 3000 - 4000 years ago so, I would expect it to use metaphors. Additionally, Creation is not something that can be explained in human language - no matter how much progress Science makes, it will never be able to explain how something came into existence out of nothing.

Hi James,

The Scriptures record that on the seventh day God rested from all the work that He had done. Are you arguing that we've mistranslated the Scriptures here or that God's word cannot be trusted as true?

As far as being explainable in human language...why not? I think you've misunderstood our ability to explain how something may have come about with the ability to speak the words to tell how it came about. God did a fairly good job, in my estimation, in telling us 'how', as far as the chronological information the creation came to exist. No, God did not tell us the 'how' as far as what the physiology of matter was experiencing as it formed into all the things that God created. However, God creates by fiat command, as defined by Webster's: 1 : a command or act of will that creates something without or as if without further effort According to the Bible, the world was created by fiat. 2 : an authoritative determination : dictate a fiat of conscience. 3 : an authoritative or arbitrary order : decree government by fiat.

In simple words, God just commands that something of his thinking or desire or design exist...and it does. God says: Let the earth exist. Pretty much immediately, certainly with the span of time it takes for the earth to make a full rotation upon its axis (day), it exists. With all of the magma at its core and rock and crust foundation of its outer structure, and covering of water, that is necessary, according to God's perfect and all knowing wisdom of design, for the earth to be a structure that exists as a planet upon which He will then begin to build the foundation of life upon. That building of a foundation that will, in the final 6th day of His work, be the place where He will grow and nurture a creature that He calls man. A creature, also made in the perfect and all knowing wisdom of His design, that He created to have the capacity to love and to be loved. A creature designed to be dependent upon Him for its life.

God created man pretty much for the same purpose that He created the angels; to live in a relationship of shared love. Man was made, as far as the strength of his abilities, lower than the angels, but as far as His desire to be in a loving relationship with Him...the same. However, sin and rebellion against God's rightful authority over our lives, and the lives of the angels, was challenged. On the day of God's judgment, both men and angles, will receive what they have lived for.

I believe that the Scriptures are clear, both men and angels live in a created realm. Created by the great wisdom and fiat command of God's desire and design. That it will all be brought to an end and on that day, both men and angels will receive their just due. Those who, in the angelic realm remained faithful to God, and those in our earthly realm who became faithful to God, will receive eternal life with Him. Those who chose rather to follow the broader path, will not.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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Isn't this another way of saying that Genesis not to be interpreted literally?

In the same way God's rest not to be taken literally, "days" also not literal because God transceds the time and Creation is instantaneous

Genesis gave us the week, 6 days to work and 1 to rest. That is literal.
Of course there is deeper spiritual significance in it as well.

Did Jesus walk on water and did Peter start towards him? Yes, that part was literal.
Was it also trying to teach a spiritual truth about keeping focused on the Lord? Yes.
The Bible can convey both literal facts and spiritual truths all in the same verses.

The Bible says God made everything in 6 days.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
Anything else comes from something outside of the scriptures.

Also since Moses wrote yom + evening and morning + day 1, 2 etc, what more should he have done to make sure everyone knew it was literal?

This is my question to all who take Genesis days to mean anything but 24 hours days, what more should the author have done to convey that it was literal?

And question two is why can't it be literal?
 
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Generally yes, specifically no.
Everyone's father's father's father's etc... goes directly Adam. From an outsider perspective the only reason to uniquely highlight this line of Adam would to highlight notable characters in the line or its because there was more than one "Adam" so it was important to show the line went to the right Adam.

But the Hebrew scriptures are written for the Hebrews (not outsiders) so they didn't care what others thought and their focus is more about the preservation and protection of a royal line since the beginning and highlighting characters of value in between like Adam, Enoch, Noah etc. They just don't add value to the line they legitimize it. The line uniquely shows God's hand.
 
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You made a good choice by responding in this thread. I presented 5 potential objections to old earth and you found that my response was inadequate to only one of them. So, we're getting closer.

"According to the Bible" Really? Where? You can't make a statement like that and not back it up with scripture. So scripture, please.
The Lord Jesus healed a paralyzed man at the pool of Bethesda on a Sabbath, which is supposed to be a memorial for God's rest.

Joh 5:15-17 The man departed and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had healed him. So the Jews persecuted Jesus and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath day. Jesus answered them, “My Father is working still, and I am working.”

Even though God has already founded the world, God's rest / Sabbath / Seven's day is gradually starting:

Heb 4:3-4 Indeed, we who believe are going to enter his rest. It happened just as he vowed when he said: So I swore an oath in my wrath, “They will never enter my rest.” And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in this way: And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.

Elliott's Commentary for English readers explains, "Although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.—And therefore the rest into which God will enter with His redeemed people is not that which succeeded the works of creation."

Whether you agree that we're living in the 6th day or not, it's not the main point. The main issue is whether the days of creation are 24 hour days. The Hebrew word translated "day" is "yom" H3117.

The KJV translates Strong's H3117 in the following manner: day (2,008x), time (64x), chronicles (with H1697) (37x), daily (44x), ever (18x), year (14x), continually (10x), when (10x), as (10x), while (8x), full (8x), always (4x), whole (4x), alway (4x), miscellaneous (44x).

Obviously this word is not specific for a 24 hour day. It's meaning is very much like when we say, "In this day and age, there are all kinds of heresies." It just means "a period of time."

How about the expression "and there was evening, and there was morning?" There is no reason to take this literally in a Book which consistently uses vivid imagery to drive the point. Just think of the darkened sun and blood moon and falling stars mentioned so many times in the Bible.

6 literal days makes complete sense when only the Bible is read, when no outside sources cloud the issue.
I can agree with this. But thank God who gave us science to explain things in more detail.
 
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"According to the Bible" Really? Where? You can't make a statement like that and not back it up with scripture.
So scripture, please.

They very much can be literal 24 hour days.
1) Genesis was written by the author (most likely Moses) with the intention to be literal. It is not written the way Hebrew poetry or parable is written.
Yom followed by "evening and morning," only ever means a literal day. It is also modified by numbers (first, second, etc.), again something limited in Hebrew to that of a literal day.
Taking this as anything other than a literal day is not due to how the text is written.

2)We then have other scriptures confirming the 6 days.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

Exodus 31:17
It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.”

3) Jesus tells us to believe in the writings of Moses

If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.

4) Adam was created on day 6.
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”


31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

But he dies 930 years later.
5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

If this day was still going he would still be alive.
6 literal days makes complete sense when only the Bible is read, when no outside sources cloud the issue.

The creation was based on the first words that God said in Genesis 1:1 translated in English "Light be". Therefore the speed of creation occurred at light speed and yet each day is 24hrs long. On the 7th day God ceased creating, the light speed ceased and days are still 24hrs long.

I believe that God created quickly in the same way that I believe that the healing power occurred quickly in Jesus ministry.. Jesus stated that God did the works, so God healed or in some cases created missing body parts of the people at light speed even while all other things continued to pass slowly within 24hrs.



I wonder if you are familiar with this passage.


A prayer of Moses the man of God.

1 Lord, you have been our dwelling place
throughout all generations.
2 Before the mountains were born
or you brought forth the whole world,
from everlasting to everlasting you are God.

3 You turn people back to dust,
saying, “Return to dust, you mortals.”
4 A thousand years in your sight
are like a day that has just gone by,
or like a watch in the night.


--Psalm 90: 1-4 NIV


"A thousand years in your [God's] sight are like a day ..." In other words, a thousand years to us are like a day to God. If the author of this Psalm were used to dealing with millions or billions he might have said "A million years in your sight are like a day ..." or "A billion years in your sight are like a day ..."

This Psalm is traditionally attributed to Moses, just like the first five books of the Bible. Whoever composed it, the author doesn't share your view that a "day" in the first chapters of Genesis can only mean twenty-four hours as we measure time today. The days in Genesis One could simply be dividers, turning the creation into chapters.
 
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I wonder if you are familiar with this passage.

A prayer of Moses the man of God.

1 Lord, you have been our dwelling place
throughout all generations.
2 Before the mountains were born
or you brought forth the whole world,
from everlasting to everlasting you are God.

3 You turn people back to dust,
saying, “Return to dust, you mortals.”
4 A thousand years in your sight
are like a day that has just gone by,
or like a watch in the night.


--Psalm 90: 1-4 NIV

"A thousand years in your [God's] sight are like a day ..." In other words, a thousand years to us are like a day to God. If the author of this Psalm were used to dealing with millions or billions he might have said "A million years in your sight are like a day ..." or "A billion years in your sight are like a day ..."

This Psalm is traditionally attributed to Moses, just like the first five books of the Bible. Whoever composed it, the author doesn't share your view that a "day" in the first chapters of Genesis can only mean twenty-four hours as we measure time today. The days in Genesis One could simply be dividers, turning the creation into chapters.

Of course I am, I quoted it up thread, or maybe that was another thread, it gets confusing with so many going.

That passage has nothing to do with Genesis but how God is outside of time. If Genesis days were really millions of years (which causes all sorts of issues with scripture such as no death before sin) Then why even say to the ancient Israelites in Exodus that he created in six days and that the seventh is the Sabbath? Why not simply say he created it if it was really millions of years. The point was he created time for us, in Genesis. Not just evening and moring but the stars, moon and sun too.
Genesis 1
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

You made a good choice by responding in this thread. I presented 5 potential objections to old earth and you found that my response was inadequate to only one of them. So, we're getting closer.


The Lord Jesus healed a paralyzed man at the pool of Bethesda on a Sabbath, which is supposed to be a memorial for God's rest.

Joh 5:15-17 The man departed and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had healed him. So the Jews persecuted Jesus and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath day. Jesus answered them, “My Father is working still, and I am working.”

Even though God has already founded the world, God's rest / Sabbath / Seven's day is gradually starting:

Heb 4:3-4 Indeed, we who believe are going to enter his rest. It happened just as he vowed when he said: So I swore an oath in my wrath, “They will never enter my rest.” And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in this way: And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.

Elliott's Commentary for English readers explains, "Although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.—And therefore the rest into which God will enter with His redeemed people is not that which succeeded the works of creation."


I do not see how this is a convincing argument against the days being literal.
We are already in God's rest. We are to rest in him every day.
Matthew 11:28-30
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”


Whether you agree that we're living in the 6th day or not, it's not the main point. The main issue is whether the days of creation are 24 hour days. The Hebrew word translated "day" is "yom" H3117.

The KJV translates Strong's H3117 in the following manner: day (2,008x), time (64x), chronicles (with H1697) (37x), daily (44x), ever (18x), year (14x), continually (10x), when (10x), as (10x), while (8x), full (8x), always (4x), whole (4x), alway (4x), miscellaneous (44x).

Obviously this word is not specific for a 24 hour day. It's meaning is very much like when we say, "In this day and age, there are all kinds of heresies." It just means "a period of time."

How about the expression "and there was evening, and there was morning?" There is no reason to take this literally in a Book which consistently uses vivid imagery to drive the point. Just think of the darkened sun and blood moon and falling stars mentioned so many times in the Bible.

This book was not written the way that Hebrew poetry or parable was written.
There is nothing about the early verses of Genesis that in any way suggest another meaning for the word day.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

And so on.

Yom followed by evening and morning and number only ever means literal 24 hour day.
Does Genesis chapter 1 mean literal 24-hour days? | GotQuestions.org

Then we are told in Genesis 5 that Adam died
5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.
3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.


Only literal people have literal children and literally die. Or are you suggesting this is somehow symbolic as well? If he died 930 years after day 6, how can we still be in it?

Exodus says twice that God created everything in 6 days. He is talking about their week because they understood the seventh was the Sabbath.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.


Exodus 31:17

It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labour, and was refreshed.”


These can't just be ignored. If you believe these are saying something other than what they appear to be saying there needs to be scriptural backup.

I can agree with this. But thank God who gave us science to explain things in more detail.

This here is the whole crux of the matter. Every single person who quibbles with the plain reading of Genesis does not do so because of the Bible but because of sources from outside of scripture, mostly science. It's always the Bible +
If God intended it to be read any other way there would be something, even one verse in the New Testament suggesting it might be an allegory or a parable or should be taken some other way, there isn't.

Jesus quotes from Genesis.
Matthew 19:4-5



4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female'

He talks about Abel, Adam's son as a real person.
Matthew 23:35



35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

He even says when he comes again it will be like the days of Noah
Matthew 24:37-39




37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
No hint that any of what he talks about is not literal.

Both Paul and Peter carried it on through scripture showing they believed it literally as well.
Romans 5:12–19; 1 Corinthians 15:21–22, 45–47
2 Corinthians 11:3; 1 Timothy 2:13–14
Peter 3:20, 2 Peter 2:4–9, and 2 Peter 3:3–7


If scripture interprets scripture where is the scripture that supports any other reading?

1 Corinthians 1:25

For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

Why do you assume science has it all correct? How about the fact they are fallible men and woman only working with what they can see and analysis in the here and now. That they have to work on assumptions. Who says those assumptions continue to be correct when talking about the beginning of the world or the fact that God changed some of the worlds governing laws not once but twice. Mankind thought thalidomide was a great cure for morning sickness and that a pigs tooth was a human. Humans make mistakes, God doesn't.
 
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We are already in God's rest. We are to rest in him every day.
Matthew 11:28-30
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
I'm answering this in a separate message bec it addresses a separate issue and will address the creation issue in another message.

1) God is outside time.

2) He didn't create the world in 6 days and is resting in the 7th day on His throne.

3) Joh 5:15-17 shows that God is still working.

4) The Lord Jesus said repeatedly that the Sabbath [that is the 7th Day] was created for man [to rest].

5) God's rest / Seventh Day is another expression for the Kingdom of God or Kingdom of Heaven.

6) The Kingdom of God is already here but not completely, yet. We pray "Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

7) Human being have not entered God's rest but Christians are gradually entering it.

8) Christians are simultaneously in the Kingdom of the World and the Kingdom of God.

9) The victorious Church in Heaven is already in God's rest and will return with Christ in his Second Coming.

Then we are told in Genesis 5 that Adam died
5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.
3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.


Only literal people have literal children and literally die. Or are you suggesting this is somehow symbolic as well? If he died 930 years after day 6, how can we still be in it?
No one here said that Adam was not literal or that he didn't live 930 years. If one's worldview is that the days of creation are 24 hours each then Adam lived a long time past day 6 and day 7 and day 8 and died in day 339,688. God's Sabbath / Rest becomes meaningless in that worldview.

But if you acknowledge that, for God, one day is 1000 years and 1000 years are one day and that God is outside time (or in all time simultaneously) that becomes a non-issue.
 
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If Genesis days were really millions of years (which causes all sorts of issues with scripture such as no death before sin) Then why even say to the ancient Israelites in Exodus that he created in six days and that the seventh is the Sabbath? Why not simply say he created it if it was really millions of years. The point was he created time for us, in Genesis. Not just evening and moring but the stars, moon and sun too.
I'm not sure what your argument is. The following quotation is from the article you cited and it may answer your statement:

"according to Exodus 20:9–11, God used the six creation days of Genesis as a model for man’s workweek: work six days, rest one."

One may conclude that the pattern presented in Genesis was to convince people of the importance of resting on the 7th day. I think the NT shows it was also prophetic of the fact that one Day, there will be Rest / Sabbath to the world.

This book was not written the way that Hebrew poetry or parable was written.
This doesn't exclude that it uses metaphors and figures of speech.

There is nothing about the early verses of Genesis that in any way suggest another meaning for the word day.
The article you cited actually supports the view I presented that the "day" can refer to any period of time / age.

Yom followed by evening and morning and number only ever means literal 24 hour day.
Read Dan 8:26. "Evening and morning" is a figure of speech, it basically means that God created during the day and ceased creating during the night until the next morning when He could see again in daylight. It is ancient anthropomorphism of God.

Every single person who quibbles with the plain reading of Genesis does not do so because of the Bible but because of sources from outside of scripture, mostly science. It's always the Bible +
There is nothing wrong with this considering that it was God who created science and gave people knowledge.
 
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In math class you dont pick and choose answers based on what feels good, you follow the numbers wherever they lead you.

This is not a maths class and one can use ordinary observation as well as check the figures being used.

As the pyramid is built out of sedimentary rock and sitting on more sedimentary tarain it s clear it was built after the global flood.
It then follows that the numbers being used to calculate the time periods and ages need rechecking.
 
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It is impossible for all of the limestone in the world to be formed in a single yea

Yes by holding to the slow and gradual formulae you are quite right.

Except in a global flood with the abundance of chemicals,d ood elements and the heat from volcanic action you are saying there cannot have been a bloom of algy etc.

Whether this is possible or not is just not considered by anyone other than yec scientists.
 
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This is not a maths class and one can use ordinary observation as well as check the figures being used.

As the pyramid is built out of sedimentary rock and sitting on more sedimentary tarain it s clear it was built after the global flood.
It then follows that the numbers being used to calculate the time periods and ages need rechecking.

I agree with the logical conclusion that if hypothetically a global flood occurred, that it would have to predate the pyramids (assuming it was responsible for deposition of the worlds strata).

Maybe one day global flood believers will come to agreement on what features on earth were a product of a global flood and what werent, then we could investigate the feasibility of such an idea.
 
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we could investigate the feasibility of such an idea

There is nothing stopping you doing that now.
There are trained geologists working with both aid and creation.com who publish articles and are willing to exchange emails etc.
 
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Maybe one day global flood believers will come to agreement on what features on earth were a product of a global flood and what werent, then we could investigate the feasibility of such an idea.
You may find an answer on this website:

Search - creation.com
 
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There is nothing stopping you doing that now.
There are trained geologists working with both aid and creation.com who publish articles and are willing to exchange emails etc.

Nothing stopping me? Why would I spend my time trying to resolve their own dispute? I suppose I could try, but I'd likely be wasting my time. I don't think there is a solution for the dilemma they hold.
 
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You may find an answer on this website:

Search - creation.com

Andrewn,

On creation.com, and this has been the case for years, it's nothing new, Creationists have written openly about their divisions. Such as seen here:
Kt boundary flood 1 - creation.com

From a uniformitarian perspective, imagine if someone said, the pyramids must have been built after the flood, because the flood of course would hypothetically be needed to lay the ground that the pyramids stood on.

This is a really simple and logical conclusion.

And so you would think that all global flood believers would just gather around this simple conclusion.

Right? So why don't they? Well actually, they have very good reasons for denying this simple logical conclusion.

Imagine if there were 1,000 "pyramids" throughout the geologic column (these are things like fossil delicate nests with eggs in them, or complex burrow networks, or foot tracks, or delicate vertical empty cephalopod shells with crinoids growing out of them and graptolite comets). Some are deep underground, some shallow, and everywhere in between.

Then what would we do? Well, some would say the flood was before pyramid #20, some would say it was before pyramid number #500, some would say it came after pyramid number #762 etc.

Each team trying to account for the massive amounts of strata and features and pyramids below and above each pyramid, while simultaneously trying to explain the unscathed collection of pyramids.

The pyramids are unscathed (like underground nests with eggs) so they must come after the flood. But if there are pyramids underground, the flood must have ended at an earlier point in time. But it couldn't end earlier and deeper underground, because then what would explain the shallower strata?

The simple answer to the above dilemma they face is that they just don't know what they're talking about. Simply put, they're collectively wrong, and they're attempting to make science fit beliefs, rather than attempting to make beliefs fit science.

They're trying to fit the math around their imagination, rather than trying to fit their imagination around the math.

There is no solution to their broken methodology.
 
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