Jesus is speaking about those who are presently unrighteous, they will not inherit the kingdom of God, that is very apparent because of Paul’s statement “Such were you”.
To use your logic with Mt.7:21, the statement:
"Know ye not that THE UNRIGHTEOUS shall not inherit the kingdom of God?" (1 Cor.6:9)
means they will never enter the kingdom of God. Period. And since all men have been unrighteous, therefore no one will ever enter the kingdom of God. And everyone will be lost.
With Mt.7:21 you state:
"He said they won’t inherit the kingdom of heaven period."
That's just like 1 Cor.6:9 above. Except your logic fails there. Likewise it fails at Mt.7:21.
Just as the unrighteous of 1 Cor.6:9 can later become righteous & enter the kingdom, so also can those not doing the will of God of Mt.7:21 later do the will of God.
He did not say they will not inherit the kingdom of heaven on that day, He said they won’t inherit the kingdom of heaven period.
"On your rebuttal theory, Jesus must be saying that no one ever shall enter the kingdom of God, since we’re all sinners who have at some point not done the will of our Father in the heavens but have done injustice instead, also thus sinning against the Holy Spirit (since the Holy Spirit is God and every sin is a sin against God)."
"Nope, don’t try to get around it: Jesus said those who sin shall never, never enter into the kingdom of the heavens, that’s an eternal statement and unless the speaker expressly indicates that there is a limited time frame within which his statement is true we should assume that the statement is eternally true: “X will not happen” must be the same as “X will never happen”. Any other interpretation of such statements changes their meaning."
"DON’T TRY TO GET AROUND THE OBVIOUS TOTAL AND HOPELESSLY PERMANENT DAMNATION PREACHED IN THE BIBLE! YOU CAN NEVER EVER EVER BE SAVED FROM YOUR SIN AND ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF THE HEAVENS!"
"If your rebuttal was correct in principle, no one could ever be saved."
"But I don’t think I’m unbiblically changing the meaning of Jesus’ statement in that verse, if I conclude from other verses (including closely nearby) that Jesus does in fact think people who do not do the will of God can be empowered and led by God to do the will of God and so enter into the kingdom of the heavens."
"That’s why I wrote, “No one enters the kingdom of God (== of “the heavens”, a respectful euphamism for God which Matthew usually prefers), who does not do the will of God. Strictly speaking, Jesus doesn’t say there that those who are currently not doing the will of God will never come to do the will of God (and so shall never be entering into the kingdom of the heavens).” And then pointed out, in some detail (which I could add to), that to interpret that saying as though such people told to depart shall never come to do the will of God but shall be bad fruit produced by God (since God was clearly empowering those of all people to do and know various miraculous things), would thus put us on par with the false teachers being condemned by Christ there."
"The sin against the Holy Spirit isn’t an exception (though by now you’ve probably gotten through the video lecture(s) on that). The Pharisees being thus condemned are also being put into the same situation as the man they insisted God wouldn’t or couldn’t save, but whom Jesus saved anyway. I’m sure as hell not going to insist that Jesus can’t or won’t save them! – I’d be doing what God will be punishing them for doing! Besides if God can save Paul and Peter from doing the equivalent of blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, then He can save those Pharisees, too."
"That still doesn’t mean anyone can or will be entering into the kingdom of God while still sinning against the Holy Spirit and otherwise refusing to do justice. Never and not are still one hundred per cent true, but that’s what Jesus is talking about. He isn’t talking about doers of injustice as such never-not ever being saved into doing justice and cooperating with the Holy Spirit and honoring the Son and the Father (and the Holy Spirit)."
He did not say they will not inherit the kingdom of heaven on that day, He said they won’t inherit the kingdom of heaven period.
This was quoted in my previous post:
"I don't see how these people fail to see the point of this passage and misinterpret what Jesus said. Jesus specifically referenced those believers who called Him LORD. Jesus said to them not everyone who calls me Lord shall enter the kingdom and gives the reason which is because they practiced lawlessness. Thus Jesus' point is that despite doing the miraculous, they lived their lives as hypocrites. Consequently, they will not enter the kingdom. However, Jesus did not say they will never enter the kingdom did He? It is illogical for them to conclude that 'not entering' and 'never entering' are one and the same thing. That is sheer presumption unsupported by the text itself. For example, I want to enter a grocery store but when I get there I realize the store has not yet opened to the public and thus I cannot enter the store. Is it then logical to conclude that I can never enter the store? That would be a ludicrous assumption to make! Yet that is what these people base their infernal argument on. Sheer nonsense! In the same way, just because those in Matt 7 cannot enter the kingdom due to their disobedient lives in this age, it is not logical to conclude that they are forever banned from entering the kingdom in a future age."
He did not say they will not inherit the kingdom of heaven on that day, He said they won’t inherit the kingdom of heaven period.
This also was quoted in my previous post:
"What people also fail to realize is that entering the kingdom does not refer to heaven. Entering the kingdom refers to co-reining with Jesus during his Millennial reign on the earth. The whole goal of the Christian life is not to live forever in heaven. Instead "eternal" life which actually means aionion/"age-during" life refers to life during the Millennial Age. The ultimate example of this are the martyrs who are beheaded for their faith during the tribulation. Rev 19:4 states that as a result of their faithfulness, they will live and reign with Christ for 1,000 years. Thus those believers in Matt 7 are disqualified from the greatest privilege which is to rule and reign with Jesus during the millennium - not for an eternity. Christians have been duped into believing that eternal life means life forever with God in heaven when instead it means resurrected aionion life, ruling with Jesus for 1,000 years on the earth."
"Addendum: I just had an "aha" moment after reading what I wrote. One can counter their argument by agreeing with them. Since they interpret will not enter as never enter - so be it. That is because believers in this age who live disobedient lives as those in Matt 7 did will never inherit the kingdom because they will never inherit the privilege of ruling with Christ in the Millennial kingdom."
He did not say they will not inherit the kingdom of heaven on that day, He said they won’t inherit the kingdom of heaven period.
In the most ancient manuscripts there are no periods, no punctuation marks, no spaces between letters, the letters are all capitals, no chapters & no verses. So who can say the passage wasn't spoken like this:
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter 22 in that day. Many will say to Me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and
in Your name cast out demons and
in your name perform many miracles? 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Those who die in the state of unrighteousness, who are not cleansed of their sins by Christ’s atonement will not enter heaven.
Not until they are cleansed like everyone else.
The same goes for those who are in a state of uncleansed unrighteousness when He returns. There is no atonement after death or after Jesus returns, that’s the cut off point.
There's no cut off point after which Scripture says anyone can "never be saved".
Lam.3:31For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
32But though he cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of his mercies.
33For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve THE CHILDREN OF MEN. (KJV, emphasis mine)
1 Cor.3:15 If any man’s work is burned, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, but as through fire.
Mt.1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mt.2:6b ...my people Israel.
The "His people" referred to are Israel (2:6) of the context. IOW people like Judas Iscariot, the son of perdition, & the Pharisees who were blaspheming Christ & or the Holy Spirit, etc.
Rom.11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rev.5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are on the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."
Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."
1 Cor.15:22 AS in Adam ALL die SO ALSO in Christ shall ALL be made alive.
1 Cor.15:28 And when ALL shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL under him, that God may be all in ALL.
Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
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I destroyed all your "proof texts" against universalism showing they failed as such "proof texts". That's why your quoted verses are so lame. If Scripture actually taught the endless tortures or endless annihilation doctrine, why isn't it being shouted in the most clear language repeatedly from Genesis to Revelation. Such doctrines are a joke.
Yet another lame, feeble, failing attempt to support your theology. Nothing there states there are no more chances after the second coming. Nothing there states the Love of Love Crucified the Omnipotent has expired like a carton of milk & the Almighty is powerless to save. Nothing states Love unending will hold grudges, bitterness and hate against anyone for all eternity, as your theology would have us believe.
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