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drstevej · Jun 7, 2020

If through a rock in the hat you get to the original, then I take a rock in the hat.

Hammster · Jun 7, 2020

Peter1000 said:
Without the originals, your doctors and scholars can guess all they want and may never come to the truth. They may come close, is that good enough?

They could guess, I suppose. But that’s not what they do.

Hammster · Jun 7, 2020

Peter1000 said:
One word can change the entire meaning of a doctrine.

For instance, the KJV says that God is a spirit. The NASB says that God is spirit.

Tell me what the difference is in these 2 scriptures both of which are John 4:24? Then tell me how a take-away changes the doctrine?

There’s no difference.

Peter1000 · Jun 7, 2020

drstevej said:
If through a rock in the hat you get to the original, then I take a rock in the hat.

That is correct. I have come to know that through a rock in a hat, JS got to the original. Not through a college of scholars and doctors, but through a humble man that was given a rock that God used to reveal the original to JS. I take that many times before I rely on supposedly educated men.

Peter1000 · Jun 7, 2020

Hammster said:
There’s no difference.

Look at it again, and tell me the difference.

Religiot · Jun 7, 2020

Peter1000 said:
Do you not believe that man was made in the image and likeness of God?

Do you not believe that Jesus could do nothing except what he saw his Father do?
IOW, what he did, his Father did.
IOW if Jesus is a man, his Father is a man also. (a perfect resurrected, exalted man, lightyears difference between Him and us, but still a man)

This limited view of God doesn't make sense to me: the God that I believe in can do whatever He wants, including manifesting Himself in the flesh as a man, or as a dove, or as whatever else pleases Him; moreover, I think Jesus (Yehoshua), is actually His Son, for not only was the Lord born of a woman, but He was also born of God, which would make Him, by His very nature, God.

God is the Spirit, from where all other spirits originate, and He is also the final place, to where all spirits eventually return; for He is the life, and has given of Himself to all, for this has pleased Him, and He will continue to do what pleases Him, perpetually:

"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." --Revelation 4:11

As the only true sovereign in existence, I'm grateful that God is good, and that what pleases Him is good, otherwise, life would be hell, and hell would be life.

Godspeed.

Peter1000 · Jun 7, 2020

Hammster said:
They could guess, I suppose. But that’s not what they do.

You would be fooling yourself if you think their best guess is often used in translations. Years ago, and in some bibles you still have italicised words. What are those italicised words for? They are there to tell us that the translators could not know for sure what they were translating and so this was their best guess.

So I submit that guessing is a lot to do with translating, especially ancient documents that could have serious problems with understanding the nuances of the day, and the way a writer may express themselves. It is not easy. But with God's help, we get close. And with modern prophets and apostles we do get to the truth.

Hammster · Jun 7, 2020

Peter1000 said:
That is correct. I have come to know that through a rock in a hat, JS got to the original. Not through a college of scholars and doctors, but through a humble man that was given a rock that God used to reveal the original to JS. I take that many times before I rely on supposedly educated men.

How do you know he was humble?

Hammster · Jun 7, 2020

Peter1000 said:
You would be fooling yourself if you think their best guess is often used in translations. Years ago, and in some bibles you still have italicised words. What are those italicised words for? They are there to tell us that the translators could not know for sure what they were translating and so this was their best guess.

So I submit that guessing is a lot to do with translating, especially ancient documents that could have serious problems with understanding the nuances of the day, and the way a writer may express themselves. It is not easy. But with God's help, we get close. And with modern prophets and apostles we do get to the truth.

That’s not what the italics are for.

Peter1000 · Jun 7, 2020

Religiot said:
This limited view of God doesn't make sense to me: the God that I believe in can do whatever He wants, including manifesting Himself in the flesh as a man, or as a dove, or as whatever else pleases Him; moreover, I think Jesus (Yehoshua), is actually His Son, for not only was the Lord born of a woman, but He was also born of God, which would make Him, by His very nature, God.

God is the Spirit, from where all other spirits originate, and He is also the final place, to where all spirits eventually return; for He is the life, and has given of Himself to all, for this has pleased Him, and He will continue to do what pleases Him, perpetually:

"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." --Revelation 4:11

As the only true sovereign in existence, I'm grateful that God is good, and that what pleases Him is good, otherwise, life would be hell, and hell would be life.

Godspeed.

This limited view of God is what is found in the scriptures. Jesus could do nothing, except what he saw his Father do (read John 5:19-20). Have you ever thought about that pasage of scripture?

God is where all spirits originate. Each one of us has a spirit. We lived with God in a
pre-Earth life and then became mortals, (BTW just like Jesus did) on our way to being perfect, holy, sinless, exalted, resurrected immortals with eternal life with God and Jesus. Having overcome this world, and being partakers of their divine nature, we can be incredible men and women in the kingdom of God.

How many years of sitting with Jesus in his throne will it take for him to teach us how to create?

Religiot · Jun 7, 2020

Peter1000 said:
God is where all spirits originate

What does that mean? seriously, I've never heard that before.

--Do you not believe that God Himself is actually the Singular Origin of everything?

Peter1000 · Jun 7, 2020

Hammster said:
That’s not what the italics are for.

What are they for?

Hammster · Jun 7, 2020

Peter1000 said:
What are they for?

There’s not always an exact English equivalent. So they will add the word in order to make it make sense. That’s normal in any translating.

Peter1000 · Jun 7, 2020

Hammster said:
There’s not always an exact English equivalent. So they will add the word in order to make it make sense. That’s normal in any translating.

Right, they add the word in order to make it make sense to their way of biased thinking. I am sure that is normal in any translating.

Hammster · Jun 7, 2020

Peter1000 said:
Right, they add the word in order to make it make sense to their way of biased thinking. I am sure that is normal in any translating.

I’m not going to entertain your conspiracy theory.

Hammster · Jun 7, 2020

Hammster said:
How do you know he was humble?

Still wondering.

Jamesone5 · Jun 8, 2020

Peter1000 said:
But again, this we both know: The bible unequivically says that Jesus is our Savior and the Holy Spirit baptizes us to testify of this truth. As we do what Jesus told us to do, we will meet him in heaven and he will make things plain to us, for we will see him as he really is.

First of all this is a long-winded sentence of rambling thoughts but I will address the first points you made [in bold}

If you left because you believe more in the Trinity than in a direct contact with God and Jesus and an eyewitness of their true nature, then I cannot help you just using the bible, because from the bible you can construct many natures of God and Jesus, which there are in the bible.---Peter1000

Where do get the idea that the Trinity is why most ex-Mormons become True Christians? I studied the Bible and found so many things where JS was wrong through the Holy Spirit that was given me. I WAS in direct contact with that Holy Spirit.

And an eyewitness as in JS who ONLY CLAIMED he saw Jesus and God as separate Beings?

You find the True Christ---you will have that "direct contact".

Ironhold · Jun 8, 2020

Peter1000 said:
That is correct. I have come to know that through a rock in a hat, JS got to the original. Not through a college of scholars and doctors, but through a humble man that was given a rock that God used to reveal the original to JS. I take that many times before I rely on supposedly educated men.

...Hence why I wonder what would happen if Jesus were to come back today and publicly proclaim that anyone who fought against us must now explain themselves in person.

Peter1000 · Jun 8, 2020

Ironhold said:
...Hence why I wonder what would happen if Jesus were to come back today and publicly proclaim that anyone who fought against us must now explain themselves in person.

That would be a gamechanger for sure

Peter1000 · Jun 8, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
First of all this is a long-winded sentence of rambling thoughts but I will address the first points you made [in bold}

If you left because you believe more in the Trinity than in a direct contact with God and Jesus and an eyewitness of their true nature, then I cannot help you just using the bible, because from the bible you can construct many natures of God and Jesus, which there are in the bible.---Peter1000

Where do get the idea that the Trinity is why most ex-Mormons become True Christians? I studied the Bible and found so many things where JS was wrong through the Holy Spirit that was given me. I WAS in direct contact with that Holy Spirit.

And an eyewitness as in JS who ONLY CLAIMED he saw Jesus and God as separate Beings?

You find the True Christ---you will have that "direct contact".

My terribly rambling statement is: Jesus is the Christ, I know it by the Holy Spirit, and when we meet Jesus we will know him how he really is. Not difficult.

I don't know how many people leave the church because of the Trinity?

What does "Where do get the idea" mean.....?

Yes, JS says he saw the Father and Jesus Christ. It is his 'claim', and his 'testimony' to the world. He also 'claims' and 'testifies' to us that he has seen Jesus many times.

JS also 'claims' and 'testifies' to us that many people have seen Jesus at least once, mainly in Kirtland.

So you are right, JS claimed it, and testified to it, and died for it. He never recanted, even being persecuted his whole life.

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