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I can do dat!!!
great! and we all SHOULD do that.
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I can do dat!!!
Sorry for being the pessimistic one but how can this possible when the Bible mentions condemned people such as Judas and the Antichrist and says the way is narrow?great! and we all SHOULD do that.
Sorry for being the pessimistic one but how can this possible when the Bible mentions condemned people such as Judas and the Antichrist and says the way is narrow?
Sorry for being the pessimistic one but how can this possible when the Bible mentions condemned people such as Judas and the Antichrist and says the way is narrow?
There are no good answers to these questions when I've asked (I'm open to hearing them if there are). I'm sure many people can relate to my disillusionment. If there are no good answers to these questions, then I am not sure where to go from here.
Universalism is being a fan of Universal Studios?Where to go from here? With God?
*For we are so preciously loved by God that we cannot even comprehend it. No created being can ever know how much and how sweetly and tenderly God loves them. It is only with the help of his grace that we are able to persevere in spiritual contemplation with endless wonder at his high, surpassing, immeasurable love which our Lord in his goodness has for us.* - Julian of Norwich-
“The only way to find the meaning and purpose of your life is to find it in a mystery . . . the mystery of Him . . . and to make that mystery the cause of everything you do . . . and the reason . . . for everything you are.” -Jonathan Cahn-
"You are fully, completely, and thoroughly adored by God."
"You are fully, completely, and thoroughly adored by God."
If endless conscious torments were true, is God a monster?
Early Church Writings Fathers:
Church Fathers & Universalism since Early Church times
Indeed Very Many: Universalism in the Early Church
Early church writings re final destiny (paradise, Gospel, incarnation, Jehovah) - Christianity - - City-Data Forum
Articles on the history of Christian Universalism throughout the centuries
https://s3.amazonaws.com/unsearchablerich/booksonwebsite/©CPC+The+Ancient+History+of+Universalism.pdf
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.shtml
Lawrence R. Farley
as far as universalism, it's been condemned at the 5th Ecumenical council. it also makes no sense when Christ says it would have been better for Judas to never have been born.
• “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” Matthew 18:6
• “woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. ” Matthew 26:24
• “But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.” Luke 10:12
In Matt. 18:6, 26:24 and Luk 10:12, see above, Jesus teaches that there is a fate worse than death or nonexistence.
As for the poll attached to the OP .... yes, one can be Orthodox and a Universalist. St. Isaac of Syria was. So were a number of other saints.
I think Luke 12:10 and Matthew 7:21 are also excellent points against universalism.
None of the bible translations agree with UNIVERSALISM
I think the biggest danger of it is that it gives people a potentially false sense of security that they will ultimately receive eternal life no matter if they accept Christ and honor God or not. This could very well be a deception much like when satan deceived Eve when he said to her “surely you will not die”. Universalism sounds very similar to this statement.
Our Lord and Savior Himself said that "broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter by it,"
XYZ said:"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." - Jesus as quoted by Matthew 7:13
"Depart, you accursed, into the eternal fire, prepared for the devils and his angels,"
XYZ said:It is repeating a line of argument that, so far, you have not even come close to successfully refuting.
XYZ said:It is not an assumption that Matthew 25:46 employs a parallel, but a plain fact.
XYZ said:Let us look at this verse again:
"And these shall go away into eternal (aiōnios) punishment: but the righteous into life eternal (aiōnios)" (Mt.25:26).
Since the structure of this verse is best described as being a "parallelism" then the Greek word aiōnios must carry with it the same meaning in both instances where it is used.
Augustine certainly had problems, but he's a Saint.
for one, aionion meaning "age lasting" doesn't help your argument. because the age after the Last Judgment has no end.
two, yes, the last enemy that is destroyed is death. which means that eternal light and life torment those who desire darkness and death.
The human soul is completely free to reject God's love endlessly. It is hatred of God which places them in torment, it isn't God's doing. God has in fact done everything possible to bring about salvation to all mankind, but no one can be forced to love God.If endless conscious torments were true, is God a monster?
correct, that's why there are no doors on the pearly gates.
The human soul is completely free to reject God's love endlessly.
It is hatred of God which places them in torment, it isn't God's doing. God has in fact done everything possible to bring about salvation to all mankind, but no one can be forced to love God.