George Floyd: More to the story.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

past knowledge Chauvin may have had about Floyd

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If defense attorneys were smart they would not even bring this up. It would be better for them to present the cop as unaware of Floyd's past and somehow try to skew it into the cop feeling threatened (and perhaps overreacting) by the not knowingness (if that's a word) of the situation.

Aldebaran said:

This links back to the inception of the original Black Panthers as one of their key practices was ‘cop watching,’ patrolling the streets while heavily armed to monitor the behaviour of overly aggressive police officers and to challenge police brutality."

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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Aldebaran said:

This links back to the inception of the original Black Panthers as one of their key practices was ‘cop watching,’ patrolling the streets while heavily armed to monitor the behaviour of overly aggressive police officers and to challenge police brutality."

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Now that everyone has a video camera around on them the complaints of police brutality seem more valid to those that didn't believe.

So, in retrospect it paints these groups in a slightly different light.

rjs330 said:

A lot of white supremacists are violent people. We've all heard of the KKK. White supremacists don't like cops either. We've got a number if them around where I live. They don't like the cops.

So I'm not surprised they join any anti cop demostrations and try to cause trouble. They don't like blacks or cops so this is perfect stew for them.

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Yup, very violent. Yeah, it's true. Luckily I don't have many where I live...to my knowledge.

rjs330 said:

He's entitled to his opinion just like any sports figure is. And he's entitled to share it as well. Those football players that want to support BLM or share opinions that disrespect the flag are entitled to do so. Just don't do it during the sports event. That's all. When the games on just play the stupid game and leave politics and agendas out of it.

What you express off the court or field is your own person time.

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Of course he is, but he should ask himself what is most important to him. We all saw what happened to Colin Kapernick.... To my understanding, Drew Brees makes a lot of money...if he doesn't want to risk that $$$$$ then maybe he should focus on learning the plays. They can do anything during the event, they just have to be ready to face the consequences. I don't think Drew Brees is willing to risk his $$$$ just to share an opinion.

rjs330 said:

Wrong, you get a fair trial anyway. Then you are found guilty and go to jail the rest if your life. Because the evidence is overwhelming.

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True.

TLK Valentine said:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

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The problem is people don't think everyone has this same right.

Aldebaran said:

What did that have to do with the post you quoted?

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I was just expressing my opinion, just as you are lol. Maybe I quoted something by accident, idk. I'm posting a lot, can't keep track of everything.

variant said:

Now that everyone has a video camera around on them the complaints of police brutality seem more valid to those that didn't believe.

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Not really though. They keep saying that maybe things happened off camera, and so they don't believe that the captured footage portrays the actual real situation.

For them, seeing is not believing.

stevil said:

Not really though. They keep saying that maybe things happened off camera, and so they don't believe that the captured footage portrays the actual real situation.

For them, seeing is not believing.

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Yep! the OP of this thread is proof of that.

lasthero said:

I've known this for a while. Read it on NPR. So that's not true.

The reason it's not brought up much is because it's irrelevant. It wouldn't matter if George Floyd was the nations #1 criminal. He was cuffed. He was not a threat at that moment. There's no indication that the officer knew his history, and even if he did, it still wouldn't have made it okay for him to do what he did in the way he did it, which is what people are up in arms about.

It's a smear tactic.

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This is always the response. The thought is that bad guys must be killed, and it's irrelevant how they get killed. All we have to do is show that they were really bad guys, therefore killing them was a good thing.

That's the thought of police and their die-hard apologists. That's why when Botham Jean, sitting on a sofa in his own living room eating ice cream, was killed by a Dallas police officer who walked into his apartment and shot him dead. Yet, the police were tuit de suite in searching his apartment and proclaiming that they found a small amount of marijuana in his kitchen. They believe if they can show him to be a "bad guy," then it doesn't matter how they killed him. And their apologists agree.

Skreeper said:

No need to tear done all of America.
How about we focus on the dysfunctional, corrupt and racist police force.

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I would like you to prove your assurtion please that the police force (which means all police) is dysfunctional corrupt and racist.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Well, yes! He is a very nice guy who I think sincerely apologized for remarks that many saw as insensitive.

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What did he say that was insensitive? That he didn't think people shouldnt disrespect the flag. Oh my gosh! How terrible! He shar d an opinion and his respect for the flag and the freedom that has been given under it's banner world wide. And that's somehow insensitive these days.

Can it ever be said that people are too sensitive?

Aldebaran said:

Just as BLM shares the same sentiments of the Black Panthers and Antifa.

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Hold on, this is not about Black Panthers or Antifa. This is about how your sentiments line up with white nationalist sentiments. It's not an insult, it's true. If you look on their pages and forums, you'll see what I'm talking about.

lovelife34 said:

Of course he is, but he should ask himself what is most important to him. We all saw what happened to Colin Kapernick.... To my understanding, Drew Brees makes a lot of money...if he doesn't want to risk that $$$$$ then maybe he should focus on learning the plays. They can do anything during the event, they just have to be ready to face the consequences. I don't think Drew Brees is willing to risk his $$$$ just to share an opinion.

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The difference was Kapernick did it on the football field. If Drew Breeze would have done something in protest on the football field we wouldn't like that either. I wonder what kind of uproar would have been created if Breeze would have carried a Blue Live Matter Sign during the national anthem or a Pro Life sign? You got to be kidding if you think there wouldn't have been a lashback like you've never seen before. No sports are for sports. Private opinions belong in private lives not on a sports field

rjs330 said:

What did he say that was insensitive?

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Here is what I got from listening to some talk about it after I learned who he was and that people thought he had been bullied into apologizing.(Which I do not believe)
Some people were angry because he did not recognize that like his forefathers, their forefathers also fought in WW2, but when they came home, they were brutalized and not honored. He also did not try to understand the message that Colin was highlighting. He understands now, and since he is a nice guy, he opened his heart to the issue of police brutality. He sees that it is about human life .

Aldebaran said:

And they are showing submission to those who burn, kill, loot and destroy. The cops are supposed to be "heroes" because they are there to protect and serve the community. When I see them kneel before the protesters, it's as if they're saying, "You're right! We humbly submit to you."

One thing I find strangely ironic is how many of the signs the protesters carry say, "White silence is violence". Well, that's why I'm here. I'm a white man and I won't stay silent. But I find that if the words I speak aren't what they want me to say, then they try to bully me into their way of thinking. So they want me to speak up, but also want to control what I say as well.

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Let me explain what I meant when I said your sentiments match those of white nationalists.
Below is an excerpt from 'what white nationalists believe'. So when people "fear cultural changes will result in a loss of their status, they are more likely to be intolerant toward historically marginalized groups." You are saying that you find if the words you say aren't what protesters want you to stay, they try to bully you. But the FACT is, no one is bullying you. The FACT is, no one is silencing you. The FACT is, no one even has the POWER to control what you say. But you are speaking from a place of FEAR that increased civil rights for people of color will result in a loss of status for you as a 'white man.'
EXCERPT
White nationalists believe:
Majority white countries are suffering (economically and culturally) because of non-white immigration and increased civil rights for women, religious minorities, LGBTQ people, and people of color.
And then the 'counterargument': Many countries are experiencing growing economic inequality. When people suffer economically, or fear that cultural changes will result in a loss of their status, they are more likely to be intolerant toward historically marginalized groups of people. However, immigration and rights movements are not the cause of inequality. In fact, immigration can help countries thrive. Countries with declining birth rates rely on immigration in order to sustain their economies. Additionally, immigrants to the United States—including unauthorized immigrants—are less likely to commit violent crimes than native-born residents. Currently, Germany hosts over one million refugees, and yet in 2017, crime was at its lowest level in 25 years."
Explainer: White Nationalism

rjs330 said:

The difference was Kapernick did it on the football field. If Drew Breeze would have done something in protest on the football field we wouldn't like that either. I wonder what kind of uproar would have been created if Breeze would have carried a Blue Live Matter Sign during the national anthem or a Pro Life sign? You got to be kidding if you think there wouldn't have been a lashback like you've never seen before. No sports are for sports. Private opinions belong in private lives not on a sports field

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We're each entitled to our own opinions, lol.

rjs330 said:

Private opinions belong in private lives not on a sports field

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And the private lives of "Peace" officers do not belong on the streets either.

Aldebaran said:

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.
What the Media Won’t Tell You: George Floyd Had ‘Violent Criminal History’ | Matzav.com


The 20-page report also indicates that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death, although the drugs are not listed as the cause. Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For Coronavirus

It would seem that the man who the Press refers to as a "gentle giant" and a virtual pillar of the community, it's also time for those who are only willing to focus on the cop's history of people filing complaints about him, it's only fair and equal to show the rest of the story.

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And that 2009 news is apparently followed by a 2014/2015 story about Floyd becoming a Christian and starting a gospel witnessing group. (And the fact that both Floyd and the policman were working at the same small business in 2019)