Was the Sabbath given to man at creation as a special day to worship God?

Did Adam and Eve keep each seventh-day Sabbath?

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Did you purposely avoid my first question Andre. Answer that and then I will debate whether it was the ten, God or Moses' head.

Yes i did copy some parts because I don't want to have to spend an entire day writing this over and over and explain it well. I'm not the best writer and don't want to spend hours and days explaining something that's already been explained before. So I save things in my notes.
 
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Israel brought an end to the teachings of the old covenant by not obeying them. Thus there was a need for a new and better covenant. Jesus is now high Priest and when there is a change in the priesthood.... well read it for yourself:
Hebrews 7:11
So if the priesthood of Levi, on which the law was based, could have achieved the perfection God intended, why did God need to establish a different priesthood, with a priest in the order of Melchizedek instead of the order of Levi and Aaron?
Hebrews 7:12
And if the priesthood is changed, the law must also be changed to permit it.
Hebrews 7:18
Yes, the old requirement about the priesthood was set aside because it was weak and useless.
Hebrews 7:24
But because Jesus lives forever, his priesthood lasts forever.

Your statement that the law is forever and will not change is refuted in those verses. I would be very slow to judge what others write until you know all the facts.

The bible says it exactly here in Hebrews 7:18 "old requirements ABOUT the priesthood". The laws of the priesthood had to change. you don't have to bring a lamb sacrifice to the priesthood since Jesus has done the final sacrifice. Sins still exist. Jesus makes the atonement for sins not the Levite priesthood.

There's the change, no more levites:
Hebrews 7:24 But because Jesus lives forever, his priesthood lasts forever.

Hebrews 9:25-28 explains this further:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Christ was OFFERED ONCE -> (Hebrews 9:28) and atoned for sins ONCE AT THE END OF THE WORLD (Day of Atonement) -> (Hebrews 9:26)

Type: Levite priests makes an atonement for sins once a year.

Shadow/anti-type: Jesus makes only one atonement where his blood is placed on the mercy seat for ALL who accepts his sacrifice for sins, to be done AT THE END OF THE WORLD.

The is exactly why the day of trumpets is BEFORE the day of atonement. Same as in revelation the last trumpet is before his second coming followed by his judgment.
 
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Yes i did copy some parts because I don't want to have to spend an entire day writing this over and over and explain it well. I'm not the best writer and don't want to spend hours and days explaining something that's already been explained before. So I save things in my notes.
So you will take someone else's word and not study it for yourself then use what you do not know is true to try to discredit me. Some debating, OY!
 
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Wait they had to obey the law? So how was anyone saved in the old covenant since no one has ever kept the law perfectly? Are you saying they were all condemned?
Oh my! You are here trying to show your superiority telling me that I am continuously wrong and do not know what SDAs believe and you do not know how Israelites were saved? Bone up my friend.
 
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So you will take someone else's word and not study it for yourself then use what you do not know is true to try to discredit me. Some debating, OY!

You just said here the following:

Bob S said:
What verses 7-11 are telling us is that the ten commandments were glorious, not Moses head, and what is more glorious is the ministry of the Holy Spirit. What was glorious has faded away, done away.

My QUESTION:
Are you saying it's the Ten Commandments that shone with glory? And not Moses face?

Good job avoiding what the scripture is saying and answering the actual question. All you do is deflect constantly. you rant about SDA then you rant about something else. Yet I never said ANYTHING ABOUT SDA. You have an obsession on SDA. Not me.

I don't trust what YOU say. That's why I respond to you false witness scripture, which you never have a reply back to a simple question. Why didn't you answer my question?

My QUESTION:
Are you saying it's the Ten Commandments that shone with glory? And not Moses face?
 
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If they become circumcised.

And when a stranger dwells with you and wants to keep the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as a native of the land. For no uncircumcised person shall eat it. Exodus 12:48

Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall remove leaven from your houses. For whoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel. Exodus 12:15

Do you believe if a Christian eats Bread with yeast during the Passover Week, they will go to hell?

JLB

Well yeah, that is a first step if a gentile wanted to convert to Judaism. If a person is keeping Pesakh, then yeah they should not eat hametz. Go to hell? I don't see that listed anywhere...
 
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As to Andre's post if you cannot see all the holes in it then could it be, as Paul wrote about veils, allowing one to cover the heart. Yes, you have shared similar posts and they all have been refuted with solid irrefutable scripture that you have ignored or had no response.

Or perhaps Bob, you may have mininterpreted the scriptures and the holes are in your understanding of 2 CORINTHIANS 3 as shown to you many times now? We have had the same conversation now for a few years when I first came here. I have pointed out the same things to you as @Andre_b shared with you from the scriptures but you did not believe then either. Nothing you provided refuted anything shared with you as from memory you simply chose to ignore what was written to you like you have just done here. These scriptures are talking about the covenants and the purpose of God's law in leading us to Christ so that we might be forgiven by faith and free to walk in his Spirit with a new heart to love. Anyhow dear friend you are free to believe as you wish. You know what they say... You can lead a horse to water. We all have to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling as we all answer only to God come judgement day. Gods word does not teach anywhere that Gods' 10 commandments are abolished dear Bob. They are upheld all through the old and new testament scriptures. They are God's standard of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and if we knowingly break anyone of them when we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and reject it we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11; ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 17:30-31; HEBREWS 10:26-31. This includes God's 4th commandment which is one of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *EXODUS 20:8-11; ROMANS 3:20. My prayer is to see you in God's kingdom dear friend. This is only posted in love.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word. Ignoring it does not make it disappear.
 
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. you rant about SDA then you rant about something else. Yet I never said ANYTHING ABOUT SDA. You have an obsession on SDA. Not me.

I believe that is the case because our friend is a former member of the SDA
 
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Israel brought an end to the teachings of the old covenant by not obeying them. Thus there was a need for a new and better covenant. Jesus is now high Priest and when there is a change in the priesthood.... well read it for yourself:

This is the part of the scriptures that the religious leaders of this land are not teaching you. But they are there in your own Bible. You have just been conditioned to ignore them.

Matt. 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


So why were they lost. I could go find some religious franchise, and ask the preacher who calls Jesus Lord, Lord and comes in His Name. But why would I do that, when I have God's Inspired scriptures in my own house.

So I can ask the Word of God which became Flesh Himself. "God, why were Your Sheep lost? Is it because your laws led them astray as "many" who call you Lord, Lord imply?Why did your Son have to come and save them?

And here is what the Word of God which became Flesh said.

Jer. 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

And again;

Mal. 2:4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.

6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

And when this same Word of God became Flesh, HE said the very same thing.

Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Not God as you imply in your posts.

Hebrews 7:11
So if the priesthood of Levi, on which the law was based, could have achieved the perfection God intended, why did God need to establish a different priesthood, with a priest in the order of Melchizedek instead of the order of Levi and Aaron?

This is a lousy translation in my view, but it still supports the Word of God which became Flesh.

The Priesthood of Levi was perfect. It was instituted "til the Seed should come". Before his sons corrupted it, he turned many away from iniquity, at least according to the God of the Bible. But these shepherds turned out of the way, they became partial in the Law and caused God's people to go astray, to "stumble" at the law. As the Jesus of the Bible teaches.

Matt. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Just as Malachi, inspired by the Spirit of Christ, said.

Hebrews 7:12
And if the priesthood is changed, the law must also be changed to permit it.

This is part of religious man's custom that really frustrates me personally. Men who purposely omit from their posts any scriptures which contradict their religion. It is so dishonest, but has worked to promote the "other voice" since the serpent first used this tactic on Eve. The verses you omitted DEFINES what changed in the Law. Why would you omit the very definition of the part of the Priesthood Law that changed??

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

1 3 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

The priesthood, that was "ADDED" because of Transgressions of God's Law, 430 years after Abraham obeyed God's Laws, Statutes, and Commandments, was given exclusively to the Levites. No other person could partake in the Levitical Priesthood, that is why Paul called it the "Levitical Priesthood". But Jesus wasn't a Levite. So before He could become the High Priest, it was necessary for part of the Priesthood Law to change. The part that said only a Levite could hold the office of God's Holy Priesthood.

Hebrews 7:18
Yes, the old requirement about the priesthood was set aside because it was weak and useless.

Yes, the part of the Priesthood Law you omitted from your post was set aside by necessity. The Word of God which became Flesh promised this change in Jer. 31., and the Hebrews author confirms it.

Heb. 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. (As Zecharias and Simeon, who both had direct access to the Word shows)

8 For finding fault with them, (The Shepherds, sons of Levi, who corrupted the Covenant God made with them on Mt. Sinai) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

God Himself will administer His Laws, and God Himself will provide for the atonement of men who transgress His Laws.

Hebrews 7:24
But because Jesus lives forever, his priesthood lasts forever.

After the Order of the High Priest who gave Abraham bread and wine.

Your statement that the law is forever and will not change is refuted in those verses. I would be very slow to judge what others write until you know all the facts.

What I am doing is posting and trying to have discussions about the Holy scriptures "Many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, ignore and omit. I am happy to have a discussion about what I have posted. But you telling me I'm wrong because I don't agree with your religion, is no different than the Mainstream Preachers of Christ time telling HIM He was wrong when He spoke of the scriptures they omitted from their religion.

It doesn't have to be this way.
 
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Israel brought an end to the teachings of the old covenant by not obeying them. Thus there was a need for a new and better covenant. Jesus is now high Priest and when there is a change in the priesthood.... well read it for yourself:
Hebrews 7:11
So if the priesthood of Levi, on which the law was based, could have achieved the perfection God intended, why did God need to establish a different priesthood, with a priest in the order of Melchizedek instead of the order of Levi and Aaron?
Hebrews 7:12
And if the priesthood is changed, the law must also be changed to permit it.
Hebrews 7:18
Yes, the old requirement about the priesthood was set aside because it was weak and useless.
Hebrews 7:24
But because Jesus lives forever, his priesthood lasts forever.

Your statement that the law is forever and will not change is refuted in those verses. I would be very slow to judge what others write until you know all the facts.

Bob, to me this only shows a lack of understandind of the old and new covenants. Do you know why there was a change in the Priesthood? What law is being discussed here; is it the law of the Priesthood or the 10 commandments? (scripture please). What tribe of ISRAEL was JESUS born into and is this tribe under the Mosaic book of the law allowed to become Priests? Your misinterpreting scripture here Bob if your trying to argue that the 10 commandments are abolished. That interpretation goes against both the old and new covenant scriptures.

Look forward to your response.
 
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This is the part of the scriptures that the religious leaders of this land are not teaching you. But they are there in your own Bible. You have just been conditioned to ignore them.

Matt. 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


So why were they lost. I could go find some religious franchise, and ask the preacher who calls Jesus Lord, Lord and comes in His Name. But why would I do that, when I have God's Inspired scriptures in my own house.

So I can ask the Word of God which became Flesh Himself. "God, why were Your Sheep lost? Is it because your laws led them astray as "many" who call you Lord, Lord imply?Why did your Son have to come and save them?

And here is what the Word of God which became Flesh said.

Jer. 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

And again;

Mal. 2:4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.

6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

And when this same Word of God became Flesh, HE said the very same thing.

Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Not God as you imply in your posts.



This is a lousy translation in my view, but it still supports the Word of God which became Flesh.

The Priesthood of Levi was perfect. It was instituted "til the Seed should come". Before his sons corrupted it, he turned many away from iniquity, at least according to the God of the Bible. But these shepherds turned out of the way, they became partial in the Law and caused God's people to go astray, to "stumble" at the law. As the Jesus of the Bible teaches.

Matt. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Just as Malachi, inspired by the Spirit of Christ, said.



This is part of religious man's custom that really frustrates me personally. Men who purposely omit from their posts any scriptures which contradict their religion. It is so dishonest, but has worked to promote the "other voice" since the serpent first used this tactic on Eve. The verses you omitted DEFINES what changed in the Law. Why would you omit the very definition of the part of the Priesthood Law that changed??

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

1 3 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

The priesthood, that was "ADDED" because of Transgressions of God's Law, 430 years after Abraham obeyed God's Laws, Statutes, and Commandments, was given exclusively to the Levites. No other person could partake in the Levitical Priesthood, that is why Paul called it the "Levitical Priesthood". But Jesus wasn't a Levite. So before He could become the High Priest, it was necessary for part of the Priesthood Law to change. The part that said only a Levite could hold the office of God's Holy Priesthood.



Yes, the part of the Priesthood Law you omitted from your post was set aside by necessity. The Word of God which became Flesh promised this change in Jer. 31., and the Hebrews author confirms it.

Heb. 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. (As Zecharias and Simeon, who both had direct access to the Word shows)

8 For finding fault with them, (The Shepherds, sons of Levi, who corrupted the Covenant God made with them on Mt. Sinai) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

God Himself will administer His Laws, and God Himself will provide for the atonement of men who transgress His Laws.



After the Order of the High Priest who gave Abraham bread and wine.



What I am doing is posting and trying to have discussions about the Holy scriptures "Many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, ignore and omit. I am happy to have a discussion about what I have posted. But you telling me I'm wrong because I don't agree with your religion, is no different than the Mainstream Preachers of Christ time telling HIM He was wrong when He spoke of the scriptures they omitted from their religion.

It doesn't have to be this way.

Ok scripture already provided to answer my questions. Sorry I did not see your post when I was writting my earlier post. Thanks for sharing. I hope @Bob S reads them.
 
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Oh I thought there were no laws to follow? According to you we aren't under the law. So since there are no laws to condemn me once I'm saved, according to you, you are contradicting now that people must follow a rule of not mocking. Seems like the Holy Spirit has some laws. Why are you putting others under the law of "not mocking"? I'm being very basic to point out your theology. Even the devil believes in Jesus as the Son of God. So why isn't he saved?

My Friend, was this post you made for me? Did I say something that offended you? My reply was to JLB777 , not you. I'm not sure I understand this reply.
 
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On the seventh day God rested from all His works.

Hope this clears up your confusion.
All of the pertinent posts are on record about the issue. You are mistaken that I am the one that is confused. I'd appreciate it that you didn't use more inaccurate words to imply that I am.
 
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Oh I thought there were no laws to follow?

Matt. 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

I'm not sure why you think I said there are no laws to follow. What is a man called who has no laws? Lawless!! I would not wish this on any man.

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According to you we aren't under the law.
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In my understanding, being under the Law means being dead because I rebelled against it. If I am one that repents and asks Jesus to wash away my sins with HIS Blood, then, with my sins washed away, I am become alive, no longer dead, no longer "under the law".

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So since there are no laws to condemn me once I'm saved, according to you, you are contradicting now that people must follow a rule of not mocking.
[/QUOTE]

Gal. 6:4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

5 For every man shall bear his own burden.

6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

I never accused you of mocking God. I was replying to someone who was IMO.

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Seems like the Holy Spirit has some laws.
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What Spirit created God's God's Laws in the first place? Was it not the "Holy Spirit"?

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Why are you putting others under the law of "not mocking"?
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I am not, it was the Spirit of the Christ who inspired Paul to say "God is not Mocked".

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I'm being very basic to point out your theology. Even the devil believes in Jesus as the Son of God. So why isn't he saved?[/QUOTE]

The devil is trying to convince as many as it can to reject God's Laws, to turn away from the instructions of the Almighty God. Why would God save anyone who would do such things and bring it into HIS Kingdom of Heaven?
 
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Circumcision is just as relevant as eating the Flesh of Jesus and Drinking His Blood. Unless you partake of both, you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Physical circumcision is not required in the New Covenant, anymore than physically eating the flesh of Jesus and physically drinking His blood.




JLB
 
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Do you understand that Jesus, was the WORD of GOD which created HIS Feasts in the first place? Feast of Unleavened Bread is the Christ's own Feast. He said so Himself. "Even these are MY Feasts". "I am He", All were created by HIM (as the Word of God) and for HIM (as a flesh and blood man).


Do you believe it’s a sin to eat bread with yeast in it, during the Passover week?


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7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.


Jesus is our Passover.

We are called to obey Him as Lord.


We are to purge ourselves of sin and wickedness, which has nothing to do with eating or not eating bread with yeast in it.


Jesus Christ is Lord; YHWH the Lord God.




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Physical circumcision is not required in the New Covenant, anymore than physically eating the flesh of Jesus and physically drinking His blood.
JLB

Exactly. Eating the Flesh of Christ has a Spiritual meaning, and it always has. Circumcision has a Spiritualist meaning, and it always has.

Duet. 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
 
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Well yeah, that is a first step if a gentile wanted to convert to Judaism. If a person is keeping Pesakh, then yeah they should not eat hametz. Go to hell? I don't see that listed anywhere...


Why would a person want to convert to a religion that denies Jesus Christ is Lord and Christ ?



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