We are all in agreement, now what?

The lawlessness we’ve witnessed provides a clear example of our moral decline and indifference. No amount of training and mandates will lessen the reality law enforcement faces on a daily basis. The police shouldn’t have to contain animals. That’s the zookeepers job. But that’s what we’ve become.

~Bella

Aussie Pete said:

The causes of racism are pride and fear. Pride says that one race is better. Fear imagines that the other race(s) want to drag the "better" race down to their level. Unless and until people realise that no race is any better than another, racism will continue. Racism is entrenched in every society. Multiculturalism reinforces racism, not helps. Australia has one of the most tolerant societies on earth, but it is far from perfect. You think the USA is racist? Check out India, Japan, Sri Lanka, Africa - any society where there is more than one race.

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I would agree to an extent but I would add "just plain ignorance". No one can understand the experiences of another unless they have experienced what that other has experienced.

In the US, whites, for the most part know little about what it is like to grow up in a predominate poor black neighborhood. They may have grown up in a poor neighborhood but one must add being black to grasp the entire experience. In the same way, blacks can't understand the white experience.

Christians should be the exception, of course. Most Christians know that we were created in God's image. Yet many Christians want to isolate themselves in exclusive churches also. If it is hard for Christians, how can we expect the world to change?

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I had an eye opening experience at Mass a number of years ago which helped me to understand God's wish for us. I was sitting in my pew when I began to have a vision from God. I saw a group of Christians and God said, "You cannot be One with God, and he cannot be One with God, and he cannot be One with God, unless you are also One with each other, even though each cannot understand this." Each of God's children possess the same Holy Spirit and God is One. We each receive the Holy Spirit through baptism but too many refuse to see the other as brethren.

jacks said:

I think the vast majority of people agree with the premise of the George Flyod protests and what happened to him was wrong. So what is the next step? Specifically what would the protesters (and others) like to see happen? It would be interesting to hear specific ideas and not vague calls for reform and change.

Black Lives Matter said the following:
“They want to see the arrest of all the officers involved [in the murder of George Floyd]. They want to have no more terror, no more police terror in their communities,” Cullors said. “Everybody wants to be apologized to. Everybody wants to be told, ‘I'm sorry. What I did was wrong. It was unacceptable. We won't do it again and, in fact, this is how we change.’”

I think this is the overall goal, but exactly how do we get there? If you could make some changes what would they be and why do you think they would work?

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You want a solution to satans kingdoms and their governments, then ask God to bring Jesus back and set up The Messiahs rule on earth (1000 years).

And that is the only solution.

jacks said:

I think the vast majority of people agree with the premise of the George Flyod protests and what happened to him was wrong. So what is the next step? Specifically what would the protesters (and others) like to see happen? It would be interesting to hear specific ideas and not vague calls for reform and change.

Black Lives Matter said the following:
“They want to see the arrest of all the officers involved [in the murder of George Floyd]. They want to have no more terror, no more police terror in their communities,” Cullors said. “Everybody wants to be apologized to. Everybody wants to be told, ‘I'm sorry. What I did was wrong. It was unacceptable. We won't do it again and, in fact, this is how we change.’”

I think this is the overall goal, but exactly how do we get there? If you could make some changes what would they be and why do you think they would work?

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Here are my long term ideas:

More "in depth" vetting of applicants: Looking into the past can shed light into the future.
Reduce the number hired right out of the military: Though it is an obvious "shoe in" to some, IMHO I believe these individuals are trained to kill and not necessarily to keep the peace.
Stop shipping peace officers to Israel for training through "police exchange".: Since 911, this practice has grown exponentially.
U.S. Police are Being Trained by Israel—And Communities of Color Are Paying the Price
Hire more women: more compassionate.
Hire more peace officers of color: less complicit.

Be blessed and stay healthy!

jacks said:

I think the vast majority of people agree with the premise of the George Flyod protests and what happened to him was wrong. So what is the next step? Specifically what would the protesters (and others) like to see happen? It would be interesting to hear specific ideas and not vague calls for reform and change.

Black Lives Matter said the following:
“They want to see the arrest of all the officers involved [in the murder of George Floyd]. They want to have no more terror, no more police terror in their communities,” Cullors said. “Everybody wants to be apologized to. Everybody wants to be told, ‘I'm sorry. What I did was wrong. It was unacceptable. We won't do it again and, in fact, this is how we change.’”

I think this is the overall goal, but exactly how do we get there? If you could make some changes what would they be and why do you think they would work?

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For all the protests and vague pie in the sky demands there is next to nothing the left has proposed in terms of policy changes. At best they want reeducation camps for cops but beyond some leftist seminars I don't see them demanding anything substantive.

My proposals are as follows:
1. End the war on drugs. There are 7400 blacks murdered annually, nearly all killed by other black . Why? Because of drug gangs which only exist to meet the demand in society for drugs. Get rid of the war on drugs and you'll get rid of the life blood of these gangs. Their turf wars will largely end and so will the murders which will reduce violent crime in black neighborhoods which means the cops will spend less time harassing blacks.
2. Eliminate prison terms for nonviolent, non-theft crimes. Prison for these crimes separates families unnecessarily and does more damage to children and families in the long run. This is especially harmful in black communities where a disproportionate number of men are separated from their families over trivial offenses. This would also work out well for taxpayers as we would not be footing the bill for room, board and security for trivial state created crimes.
3. Expand school of choice and charter schools so that black parents can get their kids out of overpriced, failing inner city schools which in the long run will result in better jobs and lifestyles for blacks.
4. Create a division in the Federal justice department to review each police homicide to both keep offical statistics on this issue and to see if any Federal law has been violated.
5. Banish police unions and police collective bargaining in order to make it easier to quickly fire bad cops. Right now it's far to difficult to fire these people in many states.

Some people forget that the vast majority of the protesters are exercising their right to protest on a peaceful manner. It is a small percentage who are engaging in rioting, and many of those are anarchists and white nationalists.

LaBèlla said:

[...] The police shouldn’t have to contain animals. That’s the zookeepers job. [...]

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What?

baryogenesis said:

What?

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She is referring to people acting like wild dangerous animals instead of rational human beings.

jacks said:

I think the vast majority of people agree with the premise of the George Flyod protests and what happened to him was wrong. So what is the next step? Specifically what would the protesters (and others) like to see happen? It would be interesting to hear specific ideas and not vague calls for reform and change.

Black Lives Matter said the following:
“They want to see the arrest of all the officers involved [in the murder of George Floyd]. They want to have no more terror, no more police terror in their communities,” Cullors said. “Everybody wants to be apologized to. Everybody wants to be told, ‘I'm sorry. What I did was wrong. It was unacceptable. We won't do it again and, in fact, this is how we change.’”

I think this is the overall goal, but exactly how do we get there? If you could make some changes what would they be and why do you think they would work?

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the sad reality is that for many of the agitators and leaders in the black community, they simply do not want a solution. They must keep stirring up old hatreds (and real ones from some whites who are still racist) to fund their organizations and keep unrest alive!

For some, the anarchy is to help overthrow our form of government for a more sinister kind. Most just wish to see the justice that is being meted out now and will retreat quietly, but the trouble makes will continue to stir the pot for far too many!

I am beginning to realize that my two kitties are the best people I know!

Michie said:

She is referring to people acting like wild dangerous animals instead of rational human beings.

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That is the biggest problem. People parents did not teach respect or they did not have that upbringing, most kids sadly now grow up they don't get raised and when they become adults they are monsters.

nolidad said:

the sad reality is that for many of the agitators and leaders in the black community, they simply do not want a solution. They must keep stirring up old hatreds (and real ones from some whites who are still racist) to fund their organizations and keep unrest alive!

For some, the anarchy is to help overthrow our form of government for a more sinister kind. Most just wish to see the justice that is being meted out now and will retreat quietly, but the trouble makes will continue to stir the pot for far too many!

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Exactly. They hate freedoms and want to curtail us all

charsan said:

That is the biggest problem. People parents did not teach respect or they did not have that upbringing, most kids sadly now grow up they don't get raised and when they become adults they are monsters.

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I teach college and graduate students. The current generation is different from my Gen X, but I wouldn’t call them “monsters.”

Archivist said:

I teach college and graduate students. The current generation is different from my Gen X, but I wouldn’t call them “monsters.”

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Just because you see them for 50 mins every couple days doesn't mean you know everything just like I tutor college students and at the college they are fine but I have no idea what my students do otherwise. There are more than college students, there are kids who never went to college and there are high school students which can be much worse. You go to many places and there just is no good upbringing anymore, no respect at all.

Heck we get students come in who are very disrespectful and expect that they are entitled to tutoring. This whole new generation doesn't know what respect is by and large, yes they are those who do but they are in a minority. Most of it happens in the inner city where there is bad education and no fathers to show kids how to properly act which leads to the riots we are seeing. If the protestors are so peaceful than they should obey curfew and does as the police ask weather those kids like the police or not. Anyway sorry I was just droning on here.

charsan said:

I am not sure we are in agreement except the the man's death was tragic. The mob killed a blank police officer last night yet, no protest, and not even much talk about it on here. Does David Dorn matter who was the police officer killed last night? They (BLM) want this and that, well I want to stop being labeled a bad person all the time from the media and organizations like BLM just because I am white, I want them to stop telling me I am bad because I am a conservative and support our President. If they (BLM) want change then they must change too not just one side.

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Black Lives Matter it seems only outside the womb! These same protesters have ignored the largest killer of blacks by far...abortion which has stagnated the black population, intentionally I believe!
During slavery in 1810 the percentage of blacks in the US was actually higher at 19% than it is now at 13.4% yet black women, disproportionally, have over a third of all abortions! Statistics say there are 1 thousand abortion by black women a day, so 10 thousand unborn black children have been killed since the startup of protests! Yet these same protester will gleefully go out and vote for the very perpetrators and supporters of what appears to be a black genocide?

DaveISBA said:

Black Lives Matter it seems only outside the womb! These same protesters have ignored the largest killer of blacks by far...abortion which has stagnated the black population, intentionally I believe!
During slavery in 1810 the percentage of blacks in the US was actually higher at 19% than it is now at 13.4%! Statistics say there are 1 thousand abortion by black women a day, so 10 thousand unborn black children have been killed since the startup of protests! Yet these same protester will gleefully go out and vote for the very perpetrators and supporters of what appears to be a black genocide?

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Exactly. Those who are for abortion are the ones really committing genocide against the black population and the blood of those beautiful babies are on the pro choice people heads

Tigger45 said:

I appreciate the sentiment being depicted but for the child on the right historically his reality and by extension his reaction would be the same in either scenario depicted.

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This is true. It shouldn't be, but it is.

charsan said:

Just because you see them for 50 mins every couple days doesn't mean you know everything just like I tutor college students and at the college they are fine but I have no idea what my students do otherwise. There are more than college students, there are kids who never went to college and there are high school students which can be much worse. You go to many places and there just is no good upbringing anymore, no respect at all.

Heck we get students come in who are very disrespectful and expect that they are entitled to tutoring. This whole new generation doesn't know what respect is by and large, yes they are those who do but they are in a minority. Most of it happens in the inner city where there is bad education and no fathers to show kids how to properly act which leads to the riots we are seeing. If the protestors are so peaceful than they should obey curfew and does as the police ask weather those kids like the police or not. Anyway sorry I was just droning on here.

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You need to learn your facts. I do more than see my students for 50 minutes every couple days. Pre-virus I went to lunch and dinner with them, joined them one or two nights a week for trivia, and went hiking or biking with them on weekends. I have former students from up to 35 years ago who still keep in touch with me. One 2000 grad meets me every year for a pro baseball game—we have done six teams thus far in 3 states plus Canada. These aren’t just casual acquaintances, nor are they “monsters” as you claimed.

What I said stands

charsan said:

What I said stands

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Was this in response to me?