The truth about money

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Money runs the world. It's really hard to live without money (unless you live in a Nordic Welfare country, but that's the not the point of this topic). And that's a fact.

Money is a need. But it also has very dark origins which should make us evaluate how we should really use money.....

Ignorance is bliss and if you wish to remain ignorant about the dark origins money so can take pleasure in things you spend with it, I recommend you leave this thread now!

On a deeper level, we go way way back in history to find where the world's money originally came from.

The beginnings of profit / accumulation of wealth:
- Violent invasions which usually led to mass murders, massacre of an entire village or even nation - The strong and powerful stealing lands from the weak and using those lands to make lots of profit.

- The global slave trade of the past made lots of wealth through virtually free labor of slaves. Modern slavery still exists for the same reason (often, illegally, but protected by corrupt governments) - to make lots of profit /wealth

- So ask yourself, to whom those riches really belong to, and would it be to those the world took it from?

- The irony when the well off and rich look down on Blacks and Native Americans, criticizing them for feeding off welfare, when the money the rich behold ultimately came from profits made from the lands stolen from the Native Americans and the free labor of Blacks when they were once enslaved.

- Time and ignorance of the past does not erase wrongdoings. Wrongdoings are only erased by restoration and changing our ways. We cannot go on living like we have always did for it will destroy us all eventually.



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On a deeper level, we go way way back in history to find where the world's money originally came from.

Your story doesn't seem terribly accurate, historically speaking.

And do you mean "money" or "wealth"?

Traditionally, "wealth" has meant land that was claimed, or agricultural produce that was grown, or minerals that were dug up from the ground, or manufactured items like arrows and pots.

"Money," as a medium of exchanged, was introduced to simplify bartering of that wealth.
 
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Money runs the world. It's really hard to live without money (unless you live in a Nordic Welfare country, but that's the not the point of this topic). And that's a fact.

Money is a need. But it also has very dark origins which should make us evaluate how we should really use money.....

Ignorance is bliss and if you wish to remain ignorant about the dark origins money so can take pleasure in things you spend with it, I recommend you leave this thread now!

On a deeper level, we go way way back in history to find where the world's money originally came from.

The beginnings of profit / accumulation of wealth:
- Violent invasions which usually led to mass murders, massacre of an entire village or even nation - The strong and powerful stealing lands from the weak and using those lands to make lots of profit.

- The global slave trade of the past made lots of wealth through virtually free labor of slaves. Modern slavery still exists for the same reason (often, illegally, but protected by corrupt governments) - to make lots of profit /wealth

- So ask yourself, to whom those riches really belong to, and would it be to those the world took it from?

- The irony when the well off and rich look down on Blacks and Native Americans, criticizing them for feeding off welfare, when the money the rich behold ultimately came from profits made from the lands stolen from the Native Americans and the free labor of Blacks when they were once enslaved.

- Time and ignorance of the past does not erase wrongdoings. Wrongdoings are only erased by restoration and changing our ways. We cannot go on living like we have always did for it will destroy us all eventually.
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Money is a little more complicated than that.
 
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Money is a thing. It is neutral, neither good nor evil.

Indeed. The Bible tells us that "the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils" (1 Timothy 6:10).

And I always wonder a bit about the kind of people who say "money is evil; give me your money."
 
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Money is merely a MEDIUM, a means of effecting a transaction between two people more efficiently than say, bartering.

Money cannot be evil - any more than a stone, or a seashell, or any other inanimate object can be evil.

As Radagast pointed out - it is the LOVE of money that is the root of evil.
 
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The Globalist and International Banker in me is pleased to see the defense of money by Christians.



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There is always an opposite or opposition in life, money is no different to anything else.
The fact that there is evil in the world and those who are under the power of the Prince will do whatever they can to attain it or distribute it.

As previous posters mentioned its the love of money that's the root to all evil.
 
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Money is a thing. It is neutral, neither good nor evil.

However one doesn't need money or wealth to make it into an idol in their lives. Something to think about...

money is a tool. we can use it or be mastered by it (greed)

i will never feel sorry for gaining myself an income so i can pay my bills and survive. if we dont provide for ourselves, who will?
 
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There is always an opposite or opposition in life, money is no different to anything else.
The fact that there is evil in the world and those who are under the power of the Prince will do whatever they can to attain it or distribute it.

As previous posters mentioned its the love of money that's the root to all evil.

this is true. it is how we use it
 
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Money runs the world. It's really hard to live without money (unless you live in a Nordic Welfare country, but that's the not the point of this topic). And that's a fact.

Money is a need. But it also has very dark origins which should make us evaluate how we should really use money.....

Ignorance is bliss and if you wish to remain ignorant about the dark origins money so can take pleasure in things you spend with it, I recommend you leave this thread now!

On a deeper level, we go way way back in history to find where the world's money originally came from.

The beginnings of profit / accumulation of wealth:
- Violent invasions which usually led to mass murders, massacre of an entire village or even nation - The strong and powerful stealing lands from the weak and using those lands to make lots of profit.

- The global slave trade of the past made lots of wealth through virtually free labor of slaves. Modern slavery still exists for the same reason (often, illegally, but protected by corrupt governments) - to make lots of profit /wealth

- So ask yourself, to whom those riches really belong to, and would it be to those the world took it from?

- The irony when the well off and rich look down on Blacks and Native Americans, criticizing them for feeding off welfare, when the money the rich behold ultimately came from profits made from the lands stolen from the Native Americans and the free labor of Blacks when they were once enslaved.

- Time and ignorance of the past does not erase wrongdoings. Wrongdoings are only erased by restoration and changing our ways. We cannot go on living like we have always did for it will destroy us all eventually.



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i think all good gifts come from God, and we have to be careful how we steward them. are we allowing them to control us or are we using them for good, our own good and that of others?
 
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I'm not sure how useful slavery is in the long run. The American North was more industrious/developed and richer than the American South. Slavery more than likely breeds laziness than innovation. Some argue that the Romans may have achieved an industrial revolution if they didn't rely on slave labor so much.
 
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Money is merely a MEDIUM, a means of effecting a transaction between two people more efficiently than say, bartering.

Money cannot be evil - any more than a stone, or a seashell, or any other inanimate object can be evil.

As Radagast pointed out - it is the LOVE of money that is the root of evil.

Very true. In a modern 21st century society, money isn’t even tangible. For the most part, the medium of exchange isn’t currency or coinage. It’s just electronic blips transferred from one party’s computerized account to another’s. The system only works because of societal consensus that these little units of data have value. Which if you think about it, would seem to be quite a fragile and undependable medium for acquiring the necessities of life.
 
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I see more crime and evil committed due to the lack of money rather than the love of money.
"What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures that wage war in your members? You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures." (James 4:1ff)

Lacking money is no excuse for lawlessness, no excuse for committing crime and evil.
 
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Very true. In a modern 21st century society, money isn’t even tangible. For the most part, the medium of exchange isn’t currency or coinage. It’s just electronic blips transferred from one party’s computerized account to another’s. The system only works because of societal consensus that these little units of data have value. Which if you think about it, would seem to be quite a fragile and undependable medium for acquiring the necessities of life.
Probably why they call it "fiat currency."
 
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Capitalism's moral bar is a lot lower than Christian charity and Community. The world in general is a giant tangled mess of problems. It is amazing that it functions as well as it does. I think that covid-19 showed us that the economy is a little bit more fragile than we thought it was. We humans have always been in a position of being slaves and having to do much in order to keep on living. When we try to solve one problem another problem comes about. We use pesticides to protect our food but that leads to us poisoning ourselves and destroying the environment. But the glyphosate in milk is just something that we endure, no matter if some will get cancer or suffer from depression because of it. There will probably always be suffering as long as we are mortal creatures.

If time is love then you could say that many people love to make money. If it were possible we ought to do more than spend most of our life earning money. We must make something more out of this necessity. And of course many have.

I am convinced that part of the problem with the economy are people's egos. Biologically we are somewhat wired to consume and to have status. We have a tendency to turn luxury into necessity. Basic needs such as the need for property end up becoming polluted by people's emptiness and vanity. We humans need shelter. but it is extra baggage that we humans need to spend 40 years in order to have a shelter.
 
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Other than maybe Bitcoin, is there any medium of exchange in the world today that's not fiat currency?
Precious metals maybe. Gold, Silver, Platinum, etc. At least they have reasonably objective criteria determining their value.
 
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