George Floyd: More to the story.

Aldebaran said:

It's not a "smear" if it's accurate, just as reporting how many complaints for excessive reports were filed against the cops isn't a smear if it's accurate. Either one is only labeled as a smear by those who don't want to hear the accurate facts.

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What does your post prove though? Because he had a past of criminal activity, what is now different? To me this is as relevant as saying George Floyd was a Randy Moss fan. It doesn’t matter.

Chauvin’s past record is relevant because it shows there has been past problems with his policing and it shows a possible lack of institutional control on the part of the Minneapolis Police Department by keeping him in the same position with so many complaints.

Aldebaran said:

Not all of it was in the past:
The 20-page report also indicates that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death, although the drugs are not listed as the cause. Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For Coronavirus

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a) I've yet to see any indication that the officers knew this and
b)It wouldn't have made what they did okay, so why focus on that fact?

Aldebaran said:

Well, he was a "giant", after all. A big guy, especially on drugs, needs more people to restrain him. I agree that kneeling on his neck wasn't appropriate though.

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Dude, I'm a big guy. I'm about Floyd's height and, pardon a little bragging, in better shape. It wouldn't take more than two cops to restrain me, especially when I have hands tied behind my back. George Floyd may not have been a saint, but he was certainly not Bruce Lee.

Aldebaran said:

The drugs in his system could very well have caused him to become combative with the police, which would logically lead to him being restrained. But since only edited videos are being released (the ones in favor loyd), we're not being allowed to see that side of it.

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That's not true. There is unedited bystander video that shows Floyd on the ground with cops on him for at least 8 minutes. At the beginning, he's wiggling a bit, but not much, and he settles down rather quickly. The cops were on top of him for a couple minutes after he'd gone unconscious.

If you think that all that exists is edited snippets, then you haven't done your homework and you're speaking out of ignorance.

Aldebaran said:

Fairness and equality, which is something we should all strive for, it important to consider if you want an accurate story.
Being restrained in an appropriate way by the cops may well have been warranted. But if you're only going to listen to the narrative that says, "George good, cops bad", then you aren't respecting the fair and equal part of the matter.

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I don't have to know who was guilty of what years prior to Floyd's death when I can see that the actions in that moment were grotesque.

Aldebaran said:

Well, he was a "giant", after all. A big guy, especially on drugs, needs more people to restrain him. I agree that kneeling on his neck wasn't appropriate though.

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They don't need more people to restrain him if he's already in cuffs and not resisting (which is clearly the case from the aforementioned video).

You're making excuses for violent authoritarian abusers.

Aldebaran said:

The drugs in his system could very well have caused him to become combative with the police, which would logically lead to him being restrained. But since only edited videos are being released (the ones in favor loyd), we're not being allowed to see that side of it.

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Didn't you see he was handcffedn with his hand behind his back?How can he be combativewith hands cuffed behind his back, he is face down on the pavement, one officer with knee on his neck, one on his back and another holding his legs?

GreatLakes4Ever said:

Which indiscretion of George Floyd’s made him deserve the death penalty without a trial by a jury of his peers?

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I'm trying to figure out where someone claimed that. Care to point that out?

I believe the claim is the press and others are trying to make him out to be something he wasn't.

It's called the big picture. It doesn't mean he deserved to die or had it coming.

That cop deserves to be put away for the rest of his life and the rest of the cops deserve to go away for a very long time.

Floyd was murdered. But let's not pretend he was a good guy and an upstanding citizen. He was on meth and tried to use counterfeit money. He didnt deserve to be murdered for that.

Aldebaran said:

A. That's because none of that is being reported.

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Like I said, it was reported. I've known about this since at least last week.

The fact that there may have been aggression on Loyd's part would indicate why they had him on the ground rather than in the backseat where many people keep saying he should have been put once in handcuffs.

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I think most people's issue is less on where he was and more about the knee in the back of his neck that killed him.

If they'd just been a little rough with him, we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation. The issue is that they killed the man with an unncesscary use of force. You can speculate, you can guess, you can suppose all you want, but none of it changes one, salient fact:

He didn't deserve to die.

You can't get around that. Smear him all you like, bring up all the crimes, harp on every single thing the man did, and it won't change a single thing about this. It won't make what happened to him anything less of an injustice. And since it won't, bringing it up can be clearly seen for what it is - a smear tactic. A lazy attempt to someone how make what happened to him justified. Maybe you don't mean to do it, but that's exactly what you're doing.

Aldebaran said:

B. The fact that there may have been aggression on Loyd's part would indicate why they had him on the ground rather than in the backseat where many people keep saying he should have been put once in handcuffs.

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You can watch the video and see that any aggression or resistance he may have initially exhibited ended long before they finally got off of him.

Aldebaran said:

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.
What the Media Won’t Tell You: George Floyd Had ‘Violent Criminal History’ | Matzav.com


The 20-page report also indicates that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death, although the drugs are not listed as the cause. Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For Coronavirus

It would seem that the man who the Press refers to as a "gentle giant" and a virtual pillar of the community, it's also time for those who are only willing to focus on the cop's history of people filing complaints about him, it's only fair and equal to show the rest of the story.

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And that, boys and girls, is how you justify kneeling on a man's neck for eight minutes and forty-six seconds.

TLK Valentine said:

And that, boys and girls, is how you justify kneeling on a man's neck for eight minutes and forty-six seconds.

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You left out killing him.

Aldebaran said:

Nobody made that assertion.

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Then it seems pointless (and a bit heartless) to bring up his criminal past.

Aldebaran said:

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.
What the Media Won’t Tell You: George Floyd Had ‘Violent Criminal History’ | Matzav.com


The 20-page report also indicates that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death, although the drugs are not listed as the cause. Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For Coronavirus

It would seem that the man who the Press refers to as a "gentle giant" and a virtual pillar of the community, it's also time for those who are only willing to focus on the cop's history of people filing complaints about him, it's only fair and equal to show the rest of the story.

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I don’t know. Maybe before presenting the info you should of clarified that the info by no means excuses what happened to George Floyd.

Aldebaran said:

Very easily. Here's an example, but beware that there is some harsh language:

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We did not see Floyd acting in this way.