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I have read a lot of posts, many from people who don't know what they're talking about.

Your statement -- "anyone can be religious and memorize verses. That does not produce spiritual transformation -- Understanding those verses is what the Lord wants to see" is just the opposite." -- is right on; truly accurate and meaningful.

David essentially said he hid His Word in his heart so that he may not sin against God (See: Psalms 119:11). Most do not like that verse these days. Most are pushing the idea that they are saved by having a belief alone on Jesus and no sin can separate them from God. They are not really concerned about living holy unto the Lord. Therefore whole swafs of Scripture must either be altered or ignored. At least that is my observation from visiting churches and talking on various different Christian forums online for the past 10 years.
 
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Do you know what makes me happy?
Showing the One who died for my past sins how much I love and appreciate my freedom from this world.
It is written..."Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:" (Gal 1:4)
James writes..."Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." (James 1:27)
What kind of religion is it wherein they ARE "spotted from the world"?
Impure.

What “ makes you happy” May not jibe with what makes you Saved....
We are Saved by “NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD”— just like the Song says...
Think of all the Church Goers that sing this song mindlessly Sunday after Sunday and don’t really Believe it...it should be removed from the hymnals at most Churches.....God does not like hypocrisy ......
 
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David essentially said he hid His Word in his heart so that he may not sin against God (See: Psalms 119:11). Most do not like that verse these days. Most are pushing the idea that they are saved by having a belief alone on Jesus and no sin can separate them from God. They are not really concerned about living holy unto the Lord. Therefore whole swafs of Scripture must either be altered or ignored. At least that is my observation from visiting churches and talking on various different Christian forums online for the past 10 years.


Your “ observation” is erroneous ....at least as far as it would apply to myself and many other OSAS proponents....I found that the way to “ live Holy” was not to TRY to live Holy.....it’s a Side-Effect Of RESTING in the Gospel Of Grace......I am discovering that one has to live it to understand it......
 
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Your “ observation” is erroneous ....at least as far as it would apply to myself and many other OSAS proponents....I found that the way to “ live Holy” was not to TRY to live Holy.....it’s a Side-Effect Of RESTING in the Gospel Of Grace......I am discovering that one has to live it to understand it......

I have heard this argument on rare occasion before and there are two problems with it.

#1. It is clearly not biblical. “Belief Alone-ism” is condemned in the Bible (See: James 2:17-20, and James 2:24; Also see Matthew 3:8-9, and John 8:39 in the King James Bible). Jesus said that a branch that does not bear forth fruit will be cut off and thrown into the fire (John 15:6). The unprofitable servant was cast into outer darkness where there was weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 25:30).

#2. You claim that “Belief Alone-ism” leads you to live a more holy life. Based on your experience: Can you give me an answer from a third person perspective on what a holy walk with God looks like based on this belief? Based on your experience: Can you give me a third person answer on a how a believer is truly sensitive to the sins that the New Testament condemns? Based on your experience: Can you give me a third person answer on how there are days a believer does sin against the Lord? Based on your experience, can you give me a third person answer on a believer sinning on rare occasions? Are there times a believer will struggle with sin? If so, what makes them to overcome? Again, you don't have to answer these questions personally. You can answer in a third person way (based on your experience or the experience of others).​

If you do have success in truly living holy, most believers do not treat Eternal Security in this way. My experience in talking with other believers both in person and online (who hold to this belief) tells me that they believe that they can sin and still be saved as a way of life (on some level). Even you believe that king David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder. So then there is no real need to change then. Living holy is just optional. Hence, why we see men like George Sodini, and others who abuse God's grace and turn it into a license for immorality. It's not a coincidence. For if they believed that hell would damn their actions, they would be less inclined to do evil and put their soul in jeopardy.

In fact, even Jesus warned against how the sin of looking upon a woman in lust can cause a person's whole body to be cast into hell fire (Matthew 5:28-30). I know, I know. You believe in some form of Mid Acts Dispensationalism. But even Paul warned about how those who certain sins will not inherit the Kingdom of God (See: Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:3-6, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Colossians 3:5-6). So you cannot escape this truth in the Bible.
 
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What “ makes you happy” May not jibe with what makes you Saved....
We are Saved by “NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD”— just like the Song says...
Think of all the Church Goers that sing this song mindlessly Sunday after Sunday and don’t really Believe it...it should be removed from the hymnals at most Churches.....God does not like hypocrisy ......

Yes, we must apply the blood. I am sure we agree on Romans 3:25. This is God's grace by which we are saved. But a verse on the blood of Christ that I know you will not accept is 1 John 1:7.

“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”
(1 John 1:7).

Not sure if you caught what this verse said. It says IF.... we walk in the light... the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. The word "if" is conditional. We have to walk in the light in order for the blood of Jesus to cleanse us. You want it to be just by a belief alone. But that is not what the apostle John says. He says "if you walk in the light." That is the condition to having the blood cleanse you of all sin.

What is walking in the light?

According to 1 John 2:9-11, walking in the light is loving your brother.
This truth is confirmed in 1 John 3.
It says in 1 John 3:10 the following:

“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).

“Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.” (1 John 3:15).
 
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The Bible condemns Belief Alone-ism.

18 “Yea, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
19 You believe that there is one God; you do well: the demons also believe, and tremble.
20 But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?”
(James 2:18-20).​

It condemns it. But it does not mean the person is not saved. For we see the following verse too, in regards to such believers. I said "believers."


If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death,
he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin
not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say
that he should make request for this. All unrighteousness is sin, and
there is a sin not leading to death."
1 Jn 5:16-17​


If you have faith without works? You are refusing God his purpose in saving you for your life on earth. You become as good as dead to God. Faith without works is dead to God.

For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Eph 2:10​

God will remove such believers before their time. In doing so they will forfeit their eternal rewards. But, not their salvation!


If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a
reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he
himself will be saved, yet so as through fire."
1 Cor 3:14-15


We can lose our rewards for faith without works manifested, but not our salvation.

You guys always throw out the baby with the bathwater. Dirty water. Can't see through it, type dirty. You keep assuming that man is saved by works from the Lake of Fire. That mocks the saving work of Christ on the Cross. The one true work that saved us from such a fate. You flip on and off in realizing the significance of the Blood of Christ. Double minded.
 
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What?? I believe God, the Bible, including what Paul wrote in context. Your exegesis is so poor that nobody should consider it as meaningful.

1 Corinthians 1:4-5 says, "Now I want to make clear for you, brothers and sisters, the gospel that I preached to you, that you received and on which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold firmly to the message I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received—that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day according to the scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve."

In Galatians (a separate epistle), Paul wrote, "But when the one who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace was pleased to reveal his Son in me so that I could preach him among the Gentiles, I did not go to ask advice from any human being, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before me, but right away I departed to Arabia, and then returned to Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas and get information from him, and I stayed with him fifteen days."

The idea of "resting" is neither stated nor implied. Therefore, your statement "After the Cross, the Ascended Jesus took Paul into the Sinai Desert for a one -on -one , three year course to get the Pharisee out of him" has no basis in Scripture. Please stop making up what you think the Bible says! Anyone can read the Bible , particularly a modern, clear translation, and understand clearly what it says for themselves.
I truly think you need to do more study about the life of Paul. What you just said shows its not happened yet. The learning will come if you accept the patience needed in waiting for answers from God. Otherwise, you will jump like others here jump when they do not yet understand something. We all do it. I've done it.
 
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Who are the sinners delighting in?

Man, You are obsessed! Everything is about sin with you.
We are to become preoccupied with Christ, not sin!

All believers should learn how to deal with sin in their life (1 John 1:9) ... Just like all kids need to be toilet trained. They should learn how to keep themselves sanitary and cleaned.

You? You keep sticking their heads in the toilet and making them stare the mess they just made.

I think you may still suffer with some self hatred stemming from your past life. Be careful not to become bitter. We are warned of bitterness as well as sin.

"Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be
put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another,
tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has
forgiven you."
 
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I think its time I tell you this. I was born a Jew. Christianity was not taught in my home, nor was I ever subjected to the "hate sin" preaching you are so fond of. I saw it as a way of ignorant men then, and still do today fifty years later. Its religion, not spirituality having the Spirit in control.

In college during the Viet Nam war years I so happened to be handed a tract and decided to accept Jesus. I knew I was sinner. But no mention that I must renounce sin and believe. I just believed in Jesus dying for my sins. Just like the Gentiles did when Peter preached to them.

I had no idea that anything can happen when one believed. In spite of my ignorance? The Holy Spirit took up residence in my body. I knew I was a sinner. Drugs and sex had been a norm for me before I got saved. And, was leading to misery.. I was a 60's rock and roll musician. And a very talented one at that. I was well respected in the music community. Then?

After I got saved I did not know why my thinking began to change dramatically. I just believed in Jesus because I wanted to. I had no idea what regeneration involved.

Without any preacher breathing hell fire and brimstone at me, I up and quit the band I helped form. I was told by another musician soon after that I was crazy to quit. It was a very good band. But, my mind and heart told me its time to get out of the business. Years later the verse... "Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted? I realized was what I went through. For I was mourning the death of my life I dearly loved. For years I was lost without it, but somehow knew there was something I needed to find, knowing I could never return to what had died.

Ten years later after the tract, someone handed me a Bible. Then, all that had taken place earlier began to make sense. In the mean while, I did not need some man to tell me to repent of sinning. For the Spirit in me had taken care of that, with myself experiencing much sorrow and near unbearable loneliness in the process.

So, when I hear someone like you pounding home the "repent of sin" message? I think its pathetic and only good for manipulating small minded insecure people, into conforming to a cult type power. What gave me power was knowing I was a sinner and Jesus having died on the Cross, so that we can have our sins forgiven, making us now able to learn to love God as He loves God.
To me? The way you dwell on sin and desiring to control others seems hollow and empty. Jesus dwelt on the love of the Father and the taking on the new life that will transcend finding any appeal in sin. The truth will make you free.
Your way? I find its for people who need to have someone to tell them what to think. For the Holy Spirit is not reaching them.
So be it...
With your Jewish background, I am surprised you could even imagine that God would reside in an unclean temple.
It is written..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)
 
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You concentration more on sin than growing in grace and knowledge. An ever growing knowledge of God's Word that would transform you into living the image of Christ...by means of the Spirit's grace power.
How can one grow in grace and knowledge and at the same time commit adultery and murder?

Has anyone ever taught you the book of Jeremiah? God slams Israel's sins in that book. For almost all of Israel had become degenerate and God judged and destroyed the nation...
You wrote..."So, when I hear someone like you pounding home the "repent of sin" message? I think its pathetic and only good for manipulating small minded insecure people, into conforming to a cult type power. "
Do you think the Jews Jeremiah preached to thought along similar lines as you?

If you ever heard it taught accurately from the Hebrew you would have your eyes opened.
Would the opening of my eyes coincide with a turn from sin?
 
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Jesus was not referring to what you are getting at. Jesus was referring to those who have been told the Gospel. Those who don't believe do so because they are already condemned. How is that so?

The Father draws all men. Those who accept His drawing? These ones will be handed over by the Father and given to the Son. All the Father gives Him will come to Him.

But, why are those who don't believe it says are condemned already? Not condemned because they reject Jesus. But, condemned before they rejected Jesus. Because?

They rejected the Father's drawing of them. Therefore the Father condemned them. They can not come to Christ because the Father will not hand them to the Son. For they were condemned before hearing the Gospel! Its why they will not believe. Preach sin all you want. Salvation is really a matter of our relationship with the Father before we became saved knowingly.

“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them,
and I will raise them up at the last day. It is written in the Prophets:
‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father
and learned from him comes to me.
John 6:44-45​


All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me
I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my
will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who
sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise
them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to
the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up
at the last day.”
John 6:37-40​



Its the Father's will that Jesus will lose none of all that come to Him. So? If we could lose our salvation? That would mean the Son failed to do the Father's will.
Those who have yet to turn from sin serve a different, lesser master.
That is idolatry, and no idolaters will inherit eternal life.
No man can serve two masters.
 
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Man, You are obsessed! Everything is about sin with you.
We are to become preoccupied with Christ, not sin!

All believers should learn how to deal with sin in their life (1 John 1:9) ... Just like all kids need to be toilet trained. They should learn how to keep themselves sanitary and cleaned.

You? You keep sticking their heads in the toilet and making them stare the mess they just made.

I think you may still suffer with some self hatred stemming from your past life. Be careful not to become bitter. We are warned of bitterness as well as sin.

"Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be
put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another,
tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has
forgiven you."
Why no answer to my question?

How can anyone "preoccupied with Christ" commit murder, theft, and blasphemy?
They are mutually exclusive.
 
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With a Jewish your background I am surprised you could even imagine that God would reside in an unclean temple.
It is written..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)

There goes your "we no longer can sin after saved" mantra.

You quoted the verse! You do not understand what you quote!


Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning;
for there are some who are ignorant of God—I say this to
your shame."
1 Corinthians 15:34​


That was written to believers. Not unbelievers! Being told to stop sinning!

The Corinthians were a raunchy and lewd bunch. Wealthy, and raunchy. Corinth was the Sin City of the Roman empire. Paul was in the process of trying to lead them into the way of sanctification by means of them walking in the Spirit and feeding them the Word of God.


I must tell you the truth (in love). You are really ignorant about modern Jews. There are very few orthodox Jews today, which you appear to be assuming we all are by what you cited about the Temple. Most Jews today have no clue about what the Temple was, other than it was there

I am trying to tell you what you need to know. You need to put down those smoking guns shooting at sin and start looking for real answers. Legalism is never a cure for anything.



And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more
and more in knowledge and depth of insight."
Phlpns 1:9

.... grace and peace.
 
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How can one grow in grace and knowledge and at the same time commit adultery and murder?

He would cease the possibility of growing while that takes place. For sin will cut you off from the filling of the Spirit who is to guide you into all truth.

So far? You can not get it in your head that in some people's thinking? Certain sins are seen as culturally approved. They must learn (by grace) to no longer think that way. The Spirit will show him its wrong. Unless he chooses to grieve and quench the Spirit. If persists? He will suffer the sin unto death. Like King Saul died the sin onto death.

Its like having to deal a believer who grew up with child abuse. That the defense mechanisms the person developed (and survived by) are now a hindrance to the spiritual life. That what once saved him, is now going to destroy his new life in Christ. Unless, he can repent of his old way of thinking by means of growing in grace and truth that will be functioning in his spirit and mind. His heart must become transformed into living as the new creation God had caused him to become.
 
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Those who have yet to turn from sin serve a different, lesser master.
That is idolatry, and no idolaters will inherit eternal life.
No man can serve two masters.
Well? That does not mean they did not become saved.

Look at Acts 5...
Here we see believers resorting to their old sins.


Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6 Then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.

7 About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter asked her, “Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?”

“Yes,” she said, “that is the price.”

9 Peter said to her, “How could you conspire to test the Spirit of the Lord? Listen! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.”

10 At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.
 
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It is a sign of maturity when a Believer becomes “ SON” Conscience as opposed to “SIN” Conscience.....there is so much bad teaching out there, it’s a wonder Anybody knows anything.....if people would just read their Bibles , they could exchange a brain full of Religious Mush with actual Truth......almost everything I ever learned at church turned out to be Hog Wash.....reading the Bible was the single best move I ever made .....now I know what’s in there—- and what AINT! I was amazed by all of the actual Good News That was in the Bible....” Why didn’t the Church teach me this ??!!” Was my constant question......I advise everybody to get an easy to understand version of the Bible and read it—- At least Romans and Galatians...Reading those two Books should help you to recognize Leaven, Legalism, and False Accursed “ Gospels”, the biggest problems that face Believers today......Faith shipwrecked, ruined lives , Crippled Christian Walks— mainly due to the ignorance that follows not being a Good Student Of The Word and by not learning how to “rightly divide” the Bible......God Bless
 
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vel). Even you believe that king David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder. So then there is no real reason to change...
Are you remotely aware of the nightmare that David’s life became after His Sin was revealed ? No reason to change? David might disagree with that assessment . David, like everybody else that puts their Faith in God, was Saved by that Faith ....
It is sad, but Believers can and DO commit horrendous
Sins.....People , especially Legalist , wish it were not true , but where Sin Abounds , Grace Abounds that much more!
That is true, and seeing how you and I and all others are no more than Wretched Sinners “ Saved” by that Grace, a wise man would get on his knees and thank God that HIS WAYS are not OUR ways....We, just like David , are going to need every ounce of that Grace to be fit for Heaven.
Grace is not fair.....if it were “ fair” , it would no longer be Grace.....
If a Believer wants to be a Fool, they are completely free to sin up a storm.....if they have Trusted in The Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing to save them, they will arrive in Heaven just like the Wise Believers Who were Obedient to God’s Word— they will just arrive in Heaven with a bunch of welts on their rear- ends......like David.......the choice is ours.....
 
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Even you believe that king David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder. So then there is no real reason to change...


Are you remotely aware of the nightmare that David’s life became after His Sin was revealed ? No reason to change? David might disagree with that assessment . David, like everybody else that puts their Faith in God, was Saved by that Faith ....
It is sad, but Believers can and DO commit horrendous
Sins.....People , especially Legalist , wish it were not true , but where Sin Abounds , Grace Abounds that much more!
That is true, and seeing how you and I and all others are no more than Wretched Sinners “ Saved” by that Grace, a wise man would get on his knees and thank God that HIS WAYS are not OUR ways....We, just like David , are going to need every ounce of that Grace to be fit for Heaven.
Grace is not fair.....if it were “ fair” , it would no longer be Grace.....
If a Believer wants to be a Fool, they are completely free to sin up a storm.....if they have Trusted in The Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing to save them, they will arrive in Heaven just like the Wise Believers Who were Obedient to God’s Word— they will just arrive in Heaven with a bunch of welts on their rear- ends......like David.......the choice is ours.....
 
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I have heard this argument on rare occasion before and there are two problems with it.

#1. It is clearly not biblical. “Belief Alone-ism” is condemned in the Bible (See: James 2:17-20, and James 2:24; Also see Matthew 3:8-9, and John 8:39 in the King James Bible). Jesus said that a branch that does not bear forth fruit will be cut off and thrown into the fire (John 15:6). The unprofitable servant was cast into outer darkness where there was weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 25:30).

#2. You claim that “Belief Alone-ism” leads you to live a more holy life. Based on your experience: Can you give me an answer from a third person perspective on what a holy walk with God looks like based on this belief? Based on your experience: Can you give me a third person answer on a how a believer is truly sensitive to the sins that the New Testament condemns? Based on your experience: Can you give me a third person answer on how there are days a believer does sin against the Lord? Based on your experience, can you give me a third person answer on a believer sinning on rare occasions? Are there times a believer will struggle with sin? If so, what makes them to overcome? Again, you don't have to answer these questions personally. You can answer in a third person way (based on your experience or the experience of others).​

If you do have success in truly living holy, most believers do not treat Eternal Security in this way. My experience in talking with other believers both in person and online (who hold to this belief) tells me that they believe that they can sin and still be saved as a way of life (on some level). Even you believe that king David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder. So then there is no real need to change then. Living holy is just optional. Hence, why we see men like George Sodini, and others who abuse God's grace and turn it into a license for immorality. It's not a coincidence. For if they believed that hell would damn their actions, they would be less inclined to do evil and put their soul in jeopardy.

In fact, even Jesus warned against how the sin of looking upon a woman in lust can cause a person's whole body to be cast into hell fire (Matthew 5:28-30). I know, I know. You believe in some form of Mid Acts Dispensationalism. But even Paul warned about how those who certain sins will not inherit the Kingdom of God (See: Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:3-6, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Colossians 3:5-6). So you cannot escape this truth in the Bible.

I am not ambitious enough to answer all of your questions individually......please trust me— I can.
For now , let’s suffice it to say that anything you bring up that can’t be done and still make it to Heaven— God will see to it that I will not do it. If there is something out there that I “must” do to stay saved, God will see to it that I DO it.....
It was God, NOT ME, that put His Word on the line and said that If I would come to Him by His Son, Jesus , He would “ Save me to the UTTERMOST!”
It was Jesus , NOT ME , who said that If I put my Faith in Him, He would present me before His Father “ Blameless”.
It was Jesus, NOT ME, who said that if I would put my Faith in Him , I was already Forgiven and would “NEVER come into Condemnation.”
It was God that said “ Anybody who asks to be Saved WILL be Saved” ( not put on probation)
I have done “ my” part— I asked God to Save me. Now , if He is not a liar, He will do “HIS” Part...
Call me stupid , but to put it crudely, “ The Monkey is on God’s Back” , and if nothing else , I believe God to be a Gentleman who will keep His Word......”HE will Finish the Good Work That He started in me”....I just so happen to BELIEVE that.......that is the Faith that will save me......God Bless...
 
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I have heard this argument on rare occasion before and there are two problems with it.

#1. It is clearly not biblical. “Belief Alone-ism” is condemned in the Bible (See: James 2:17-20, and James 2:24; Also see Matthew 3:8-9, and John 8:39 in the King James Bible). Jesus said that a branch that does not bear forth fruit will be cut off and thrown into the fire (John 15:6). The unprofitable servant was cast into outer darkness where there was weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 25:30).

#2. You claim that “Belief Alone-ism” leads you to live a more holy life. Based on your experience: Can you give me an answer from a third person perspective on what a holy walk with God looks like based on this belief? Based on your experience: Can you give me a third person answer on a how a believer is truly sensitive to the sins that the New Testament condemns? Based on your experience: Can you give me a third person answer on how there are days a believer does sin against the Lord? Based on your experience, can you give me a third person answer on a believer sinning on rare occasions? Are there times a believer will struggle with sin? If so, what makes them to overcome? Again, you don't have to answer these questions personally. You can answer in a third person way (based on your experience or the experience of others).​

If you do have success in truly living holy, most believers do not treat Eternal Security in this way. My experience in talking with other believers both in person and online (who hold to this belief) tells me that they believe that they can sin and still be saved as a way of life (on some level). Even you believe that king David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder. So then there is no real need to change then. Living holy is just optional. Hence, why we see men like George Sodini, and others who abuse God's grace and turn it into a license for immorality. It's not a coincidence. For if they believed that hell would damn their actions, they would be less inclined to do evil and put their soul in jeopardy.

In fact, even Jesus warned against how the sin of looking upon a woman in lust can cause a person's whole body to be cast into hell fire (Matthew 5:28-30). I know, I know. You believe in some form of Mid Acts Dispensationalism. But even Paul warned about how those who certain sins will not inherit the Kingdom of God (See: Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:3-6, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Colossians 3:5-6). So you cannot escape this truth in the Bible.

Sorry.....my rather lengthy response got erased when the page “ reloaded” or whatever it does....it is very tough to get motivated again when that happens.....maybe redo it later when my anger subsides.....what’s the matter with this place? Is it just me and the IPad , or is it something that can be fixed?
 
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