LDS Mormons Take Satan's Deception From Genesis

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It is important to have HOPE:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 13:13)

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Yes, hope=------ when it is applied rightly.

This is right out of your Articles of Faith from LDS.org

13 We believe in being honest , true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtous, lovely , or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith.

This is Paul's statement [not admonition] that JS was referencing--just a few verses back:


1 Corinthians 13:7
bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

He also referenced Phil. 4:8 in the last part of this Article if Faith and of course butchered it as well.

Now you might desire to stay in you false church where you are told to only HOPE to endure---I will go with the True Christ where there is His guarantee that I will endure all things.

I have had 25 years of Mormons like you trying to convince me to come back to the Mormon Church--so I know that enduring all things applies to me. You only get stronger in your true Faith and there is no hope about enduring.

By your own Articles of Faith---you are in a false Religion,
 
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Yes, hope=------ when it is applied rightly.

This is right out of your Articles of Faith from LDS.org

13 We believe in being honest , true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtous, lovely , or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith.

This is Paul's statement [not admonition] that JS was referencing--just a few verses back:


1 Corinthians 13:7
bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

He also referenced Phil. 4:8 in the last part of this Article if Faith and of course butchered it as well.

Now you might desire to stay in you false church where you are told to only HOPE to endure---I will go with the True Christ where there is His guarantee that I will endure all things.

I have had 25 years of Mormons like you trying to convince me to come back to the Mormon Church--so I know that enduring all things applies to me. You only get stronger in your true Faith and there is no hope about enduring.
By your own Articles of Faith---you are in a false Religion,
You seem to want to pin whether the church is true or not on the word, 'hope'.

Have you actually stopped to read and pray about the article of faith you are talking about. Have you ever read such a quality of words displayed in this article? Just enjoy the article of faith instead of finding one word you disagree with and then go about spouting vitriolic hatred for JS.

If you do what JS says in that article, you will be a bright light for the Lord to use in building up his kingdom and will have a wonderful eternal life with God and Jesus. So do what JS says in that article and quit being so critical and missing the gospel message contained in it.

If you are guaranteed to endure to the end, then thats great, hope you find that to be the actual case. So read the rest of the article and rejoice in the words.
 
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Yes, hope=------ when it is applied rightly.

This is right out of your Articles of Faith from LDS.org

13 We believe in being honest , true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtous, lovely , or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith.

This is Paul's statement [not admonition] that JS was referencing--just a few verses back:


1 Corinthians 13:7
bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

He also referenced Phil. 4:8 in the last part of this Article if Faith and of course butchered it as well.

Now you might desire to stay in you false church where you are told to only HOPE to endure---I will go with the True Christ where there is His guarantee that I will endure all things.

I have had 25 years of Mormons like you trying to convince me to come back to the Mormon Church--so I know that enduring all things applies to me. You only get stronger in your true Faith and there is no hope about enduring.

By your own Articles of Faith---you are in a false Religion,
The only promises are for those who keep the commandments of LOVE. Those who don't or fall away have NO promise:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 1:4 - 11)

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity
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8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
 
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You seem to want to pin whether the church is true or not on the word, 'hope'.

Have you actually stopped to read and pray about the article of faith you are talking about. Have you ever read such a quality of words displayed in this article? Just enjoy the article of faith instead of finding one word you disagree with and then go about spouting vitriolic hatred for JS.

If you do what JS says in that article, you will be a bright light for the Lord to use in building up his kingdom and will have a wonderful eternal life with God and Jesus. So do what JS says in that article and quit being so critical and missing the gospel message contained in it.

If you are guaranteed to endure to the end, then thats great, hope you find that to be the actual case. So read the rest of the article and rejoice in the words.
your problem with where you place YOUR FAITH IN, not mine.
 
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Yes, hope=------ when it is applied rightly.

This is right out of your Articles of Faith from LDS.org

13 We believe in being honest , true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtous, lovely , or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith.

This is Paul's statement [not admonition] that JS was referencing--just a few verses back:


1 Corinthians 13:7
bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

He also referenced Phil. 4:8 in the last part of this Article if Faith and of course butchered it as well.

Now you might desire to stay in you false church where you are told to only HOPE to endure---I will go with the True Christ where there is His guarantee that I will endure all things.

I have had 25 years of Mormons like you trying to convince me to come back to the Mormon Church--so I know that enduring all things applies to me. You only get stronger in your true Faith and there is no hope about enduring.

By your own Articles of Faith---you are in a false Religion,

Here are a few scriptures that brings hope into focus: (I will paraphrase)
1 John 3:3 Each man that has hope in him, purifieth himself, even as Christ is pure.
Hebrews 6:18 God has made promises, we still hope.
Hebrews 6:19 Hope is an anchor.
Hebrews 3:6 Have hope firm unto the end.
Hebrews 7:19 Hope is what draws us near unto God.
1 Peter 1:13 Hope to the end for grace.
Titus 3:7 Being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. ( so even though we are justified by grace we still hope for eternal life)
1 Thessalonians 5:8 And for a helmet, the hope of salvation (why must we hope? Isn't it guaranteed?)
Romans 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. ( why hope for glory, doesn't grace guarantee it?)
Romans 15:13 abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost .

I hope you get my point. Hope is an important doctrine of the gospel of Jesus Christ. And if JS says that we hope too endure to the end, I accept it.

Paul many times tells us to hope for eternal life, hope for the glory of Jesus Christ, hope for grace, even to the end, and many other things we hope for.

But a good question, why do the scriptures say we must hope for things. I was under that understanding that you believe that if you are save, you are guaranteed a spot in heaven. I submit that is not true, we must continue to hope per the above scritpures.
 
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Here are a few scriptures that brings hope into focus: (I will paraphrase)
1 John 3:3 Each man that has hope in him, purifieth himself, even as Christ is pure.
Hebrews 6:18 God has made promises, we still hope.
Hebrews 6:19 Hope is an anchor.
Hebrews 3:6 Have hope firm unto the end.
Hebrews 7:19 Hope is what draws us near unto God.
1 Peter 1:13 Hope to the end for grace.
Titus 3:7 Being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. ( so even though we are justified by grace we still hope for eternal life)
1 Thessalonians 5:8 And for a helmet, the hope of salvation (why must we hope? Isn't it guaranteed?)
Romans 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. ( why hope for glory, doesn't grace guarantee it?)
Romans 15:13 abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost .

I hope you get my point. Hope is an important doctrine of the gospel of Jesus Christ. And if JS says that we hope too endure to the end, I accept it.

Paul many times tells us to hope for eternal life, hope for the glory of Jesus Christ, hope for grace, even to the end, and many other things we hope for.

But a good question, why do the scriptures say we must hope for things. I was under that understanding that you believe that if you are save, you are guaranteed a spot in heaven. I submit that is not true, we must continue to hope per the above scritpures.

A Mormon paraphrase--which means YOUR interpretation?
Give me a break as those verses do not mean what you think they mean

You are just trying to confuse the issue away from his own False expectations.
I deal with real words in this case, which are:

and hope to be able to endure all things--- Mormon A of Faith

Versus

endures all things.--Bible
 
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My faith is in the TRUE God of the Bible.


Yeah that is why you have to rely on your human efforts to only hope to be able to endure all things

Keep saying that to yourself and in the end you will find out you are following a God of JS's imagination.
 
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Yeah that is why you have to rely on your human efforts to only hope to be able to endure all things

Keep saying that to yourself and in the end you will find out you are following a God of JS's imagination.

If we can't 'hope' to be able to endure all things, then according to you, we can't 'hope for these things also:

'hope' for Eternal Life
'hope' for salvation
'hope' for God keeping his promises
'hope' till the end
'hope' to the end for grace
'hope' for the glory of God

These are all scriptural things God has told us to hope for. What do you think?

If these things are guaranteed, why does the scriptures tell us to 'hope' for them?
 
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Yeah that is why you have to rely on your human efforts to only hope to be able to endure all things

Keep saying that to yourself and in the end you will find out you are following a God of JS's imagination.
The true God is not a man made god, He is the Father of spirits, He is the God and Father of Jesus Christ. He is also our God and Father.
 
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If we can't 'hope' to be able to endure all things, then according to you, we can't 'hope for these things also:

'hope' for Eternal Life
'hope' for salvation
'hope' for God keeping his promises
'hope' till the end
'hope' to the end for grace
'hope' for the glory of God

These are all scriptural things God has told us to hope for. What do you think?

If these things are guaranteed, why does the scriptures tell us to 'hope' for them?

Not my false Articles of Faith I have to believe in which once again tells YOU we hope to be able to endure all things, while the True God's word [The Bible] says endure all things. and of course leave out this false human hope
 
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The true God is not a man made god, He is the Father of spirits, He is the God and Father of Jesus Christ. He is also our God and Father.

And you only hope to endure with this separate argument?

Moving on I see, when you cannot win one argument.
 
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The true God is not a man made god, He is the Father of spirits, He is the God and Father of Jesus Christ. He is also our God and Father.


Yah, your true God = a man became God---The one true God was never human, had no fathers--He is from everlating, no other human made Him!
 
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And you only hope to endure with this separate argument?

Moving on I see, when you cannot win one argument.
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 9:10)

10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
 
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Are you saying that Jesus is NOT God?

Why do you do that?? That is soooo deceptive, disingenuous---you've done that before. You know very well we believe Jesus was fully God when He became human. You very well know we believe He was one with God before the incarnation---after the first 2 times this has been answered, you need not keep trying to be this deceptive---way too obvious by now, serves no purpose! The Holy Spirit and the Father never shared in the humanity of Jesus. He never lost His divinity. Your question does not even apply to the discussion.
 
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(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 9:10)

10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
Seem you are avoiding at all costs in answering to where you place your hope:

Not my false Articles of Faith I have to believe in which once again tells YOU we hope to be able to endure all things, while the True God's word [The Bible] says endure all things. and of course leave out this false human hope

You Cannot even hope to endure this argument--- why should I believe you hope will carry out anywhere else?
 
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Seem you are avoiding at all costs in answering to where you place your hope:

Not my false Articles of Faith I have to believe in which once again tells YOU we hope to be able to endure all things, while the True God's word [The Bible] says endure all things. and of course leave out this false human hope

You Cannot even hope to endure this argument--- why should I believe you hope will carry out anywhere else?
You can say whatever you want about hope yet you keep condemning the hope the Bible tells us that we should have:

(New Testament | 1 Thessalonians 5:8)

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
 
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