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People often speak of "war and rumors of war", as well as global disasters as being signs of the end time. I would ask you today to look with fresh eyes and consider the Lord's heart in this regard.
Matthew 24:1. And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to Him to show him the buildings of the temple.
At the end of a busy day, Jesus and his disciples find a quiet place, and they simply comment on the view of the temple mount. The Lord surprises them with a very precise and shocking prophecy.
Mt. 24:2. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Jesus has mentioned a few times that He would face rejection and death in Jerusalem, but now He speaks of God's soon judgment on the city and they immediately make a jump in their own minds that this pertains to the end of the age.
Mt. 24:3. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
We know that most of the Lord's followers would have lived to see the destruction of the temple, this event was not a herald of the end times.
While the questions reveal what was on their hearts, only the Lord's answers can show us His priorities.

Mt. 24:4. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Now if we pause here in the discourse and ask the question, "what do you think was the Lord's primary concern regarding the subject of signs and the end of the age? Your answer should be that He was concerned with deceptive teachings that would come forth in this regard. Did He not once say this concerning signs:
Matthew 16:4. A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign.

He continues the discourse by elaborating on the subject of deceptions, not signs.
Mt. 24:5. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

To be clear here, the Lord is not talking about anyone claiming to be the Messiah. Anyone who comes "in His name", are claiming to be legitimate ambassadors speaking on His behalf. The claim "I am Christ", should be translated: "I am anointed", because christos means anointed, and this is a claim that every false teacher, preacher and prophet is making these days. This is more than a sign of the end times, this is a caution for the wise follower to avoid being deceived.
Mt. 24:5. And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
These words "the end is not yet" should be enough to convince you that quoting "wars and rumors of wars" as if to imply that the end of the age is upon us is to discredit understanding.
Mt. 24:7. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mt:24:8. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Now this is something to consider. This expression of early birth pangs says a lot about being misinformed. Most people know that you don't rush to the hospital with the first contractions of birth. Couples are coached to time contractions to be sure that labor has begun. However, there are still occasions where an expectant mother is rushed to a hospital, only to return later that evening saying; "false alarm". A good possibility is that greater awareness avoids reacting inappropriately to the beginning of sorrows.

Mt. 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Again with the warnings and concerns over being deceived.

Mt. 24:12. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
This verse uses the word agape for love and therefore cannot be interpreted as a state of the world we live. Only believers can know the agape love of God, and only believers can lose their "first love" and fall away due to lawlessness (iniquity) within the church.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition.

This is why Jesus now says:
Mt. 24:13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
 

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People often speak of "war and rumors of war", as well as global disasters as being signs of the end time. I would ask you today to look with fresh eyes and consider the Lord's heart in this regard.
Matthew 24:1. And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to Him to show him the buildings of the temple.
At the end of a busy day, Jesus and his disciples find a quiet place, and they simply comment on the view of the temple mount. The Lord surprises them with a very precise and shocking prophecy.
Mt. 24:2. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Jesus has mentioned a few times that He would face rejection and death in Jerusalem, but now He speaks of God's soon judgment on the city and they immediately make a jump in their own minds that this pertains to the end of the age.
Mt. 24:3. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
We know that most of the Lord's followers would have lived to see the destruction of the temple, this event was not a herald of the end times.
While the questions reveal what was on their hearts, only the Lord's answers can show us His priorities.

Mt. 24:4. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Now if we pause here in the discourse and ask the question, "what do you think was the Lord's primary concern regarding the subject of signs and the end of the age? Your answer should be that He was concerned with deceptive teachings that would come forth in this regard. Did He not once say this concerning signs:
Matthew 16:4. A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign.

He continues the discourse by elaborating on the subject of deceptions, not signs.
Mt. 24:5. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

To be clear here, the Lord is not talking about anyone claiming to be the Messiah. Anyone who comes "in His name", are claiming to be legitimate ambassadors speaking on His behalf. The claim "I am Christ", should be translated: "I am anointed", because christos means anointed, and this is a claim that every false teacher, preacher and prophet is making these days. This is more than a sign of the end times, this is a caution for the wise follower to avoid being deceived.
Mt. 24:5. And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
These words "the end is not yet" should be enough to convince you that quoting "wars and rumors of wars" as if to imply that the end of the age is upon us is to discredit understanding.
Mt. 24:7. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mt:24:8. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Now this is something to consider. This expression of early birth pangs says a lot about being misinformed. Most people know that you don't rush to the hospital with the first contractions of birth. Couples are coached to time contractions to be sure that labor has begun. However, there are still occasions where an expectant mother is rushed to a hospital, only to return later that evening saying; "false alarm". A good possibility is that greater awareness avoids reacting inappropriately to the beginning of sorrows.

Mt. 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Again with the warnings and concerns over being deceived.

Mt. 24:12. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
This verse uses the word agape for love and therefore cannot be interpreted as a state of the world we live. Only believers can know the agape love of God, and only believers can lose their "first love" and fall away due to lawlessness (iniquity) within the church.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition.

This is why Jesus now says:
Mt. 24:13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.


Wnen we get to the part in the Discourse about an abomination that maketh desolate, what are some of your thoughts on that? Thus far I'm on the same page with you and don't see anything I might disagree with.
 
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Wnen we get to the part in the Discourse about an abomination that maketh desolate, what are some of your thoughts on that? Thus far I'm on the same page with you and don't see anything I might disagree with.
I speak to what has been, not to what is to come.

Jesus spoke to "this generation" that heard Him directly,
who saw the works that His Father gave the authority for Him to perform
as a testimony against them.

Matthew 23:34-36. Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Do you understand the judgment that generation endured?
ALL THE BLOOD of the righteous, from Abel!
And then He continues:
Matthew 23:37-39. O Jerusalem, that kills the prophets, and stones them which are sent unto you. How often would I have gathered your children together, even as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, You shall not see me henceforth, till you shall say, Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.

This generation suffered the destruction of the Temple, in a time of desolation, and tribulation.
Matthew 24:34. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Two temples, two judgments, two destructions.
Prophecy Fulfilled.
The preparation of the Gospel of Peace that the Body of Christ are to preach to Jerusalem was laid out in the prophet Isaiah:
Isaiah 40:1, 2. “Comfort, yes, comfort My people!” Says your God.
“Speak comfort to Jerusalem, and cry out to her, that her warfare is ended.
That her iniquity is pardoned; for she has received from the Lord’s hand
double for all her sins.
 
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Isaiah 40:1, 2. “Comfort, yes, comfort My people!” Says your God.
“Speak comfort to Jerusalem, and cry out to her, that her warfare is ended.
That her iniquity is pardoned; for she has received from the Lord’s hand
double for all her sins.
This prophecy refers directly to the House of Judah; the Jews.
In Leviticus 26:23-45 tells of their double punishment. It is the 40 years prophesied by Ezekiel 4:6, multiplied by 7X7 = 1960 years total.
I think that time applies from 70 AD, the Roman conquest; to 2030 AD, the Return of Jesus; Zechariah 12:9-14
 
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the Return of Jesus; Zechariah 12:9-14


Zec 12:10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.


Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
Joh 19:35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe.
Joh 19:36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, "NOT ONE OF HIS BONES SHALL BE BROKEN."
Joh 19:37 And again another Scripture says, "THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED."

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Zec 12:10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
But take note: that of the Jews, only a remnant will survive to 'mourn for Him, whom they pierced'. Romans 9:27
 
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But take note: that of the Jews, only a remnant will survive to 'mourn for Him, whom they pierced'. Romans 9:27


Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

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The Olivet Timing is revealed by Luke’s Gospel:

Compare Luke's Gospel to that of Matthew if you want to understand the timing.
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Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple (These subtitles are found in e-Sword.)


Luk 21:5  Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, 
Luk 21:6  "These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down." 

(Mat 24:2  And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." )


Luk 21:7  So they asked Him, saying, "Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?" 

(Mat 24:3  Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?")

( Mar 13:3  Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, 

Mar 13:4  "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?") 


Luk 21:8  And He said: "Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them. 

(Mat 24:5  For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. )


Luk 21:9  But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately."

(Mat 24:6  And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.) 


Jesus Foretells Wars and Persecution

Luk 21:10  Then He said to them, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 

(Mat 24:7  For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. )



Luk 21:11  And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven. 

(Mat 24:7  For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. )


Luk 21:12  But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake. 

(Mat 24:9  "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.) (Read Acts 22:19-20, where Paul reveals that he fulfilled this text.)


Luk 21:13  But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony. 
Luk 21:14  Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer; 
Luk 21:15  for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist. 
Luk 21:16  You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. 
Luk 21:17  And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. 

(Mat 24:10  And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. )



Luk 21:18  But not a hair of your head shall be lost. 
Luk 21:19  By your patience possess your souls. 

(Mat 24:13  But he who endures to the end shall be saved.) 


Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem

Luk 21:20  "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 

(Mat 24:15  "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), 
(Look at the reference to Hanukkah in John 10:22, if you want to know what the Jews of Jesus time understood about Antiochus Ephiphanes attacking the city during 167 BC, when his forces killed thousands of Jews, and stopped the sacrifices. Those two things also happened during 70AD.)


Luk 21:21  Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 

(Mat 24:16  "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.) 



Luk 21:22  For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 

Luk 21:23  But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. (See also Luke 23:28-31.) 

(Mat 24:19  But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! )


Luk 21:24  And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. 
(Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of the verse above is about 70 AD. At the end of the verse we find a period of time known as “the times of the Gentiles”. In the verses that follow we find the future Second Coming of Christ. Paul also referred to this time period in Romans 11:25, and Acts 28:28.)


The Coming of the Son of Man

Luk 21:25  "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 

(Mat 24:29  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.) 


Luk 21:26  men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 
Luk 21:27  Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 

(Mat 24:30  Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.) 


Luk 21:28  Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." 

(Mat 24:33  So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!)

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From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.



John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.


The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.


Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts, because we have the same reference to flee in the second verse in each Gospel.

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Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem

Luk 21:20  "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 

(Mat 24:15  "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), 
(Look at the reference to Hanukkah in John 10:22, if you want to know what the Jews of Jesus time understood about Antiochus Ephiphanes attacking the city during 167 BC, when his forces killed thousands of Jews, and stopped the sacrifices. Those two things also happened during 70AD.)
No, you have that wrong.

Matthew 24:15 is end times, Daniel 12:11-12 abomination of desolation, at the time of the end.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

On my chart, your will see the correct placement. Luke 21:20 is Destruction of the Temple days, when Israel was under occupancy (by the Romans). Differently, 2000 years later, Matthew 24:15, the abomination of desolation in Daniel 12:11-12, is after Jews have returned, and Israel a sovereign nation again. That's the Israel, and Jews you don't want to admit is in Zechariah 14, when Jesus returns to stand on the Mt. of Olives and split it in half.
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The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.
Jesus was not specific on a time. That is reading Josephus into the Bible. The destruction Jesus was referring to will be greater than 70AD. Both of Josephus' historical counts stand as tribute to a much more devastating event than 167 BC or 70 AD. The book of Revelation can only be for the last generation in regards to total destruction.

It is not that Josephus was wrong historically. The point is that Josephus was not inspired by the Holy Spirit, but was only passing along the historical record. The written history of Josephus is not God's Word nor final historical record as written in the Bible. Were lives saved physically because of the warnings of Jesus Christ? Certainly, and that is a valid claim. The Cross was the last days event more than 70 AD. Even the early church fathers expressed this. No one barely mentions 70 AD. Where is the proof from the body of Christ of the importance of the destruction in 70 AD?

God’s timing is what is important. More important than doctrines and creeds. But to rely solely on a Jew writing about Romans, is more about what is not given than what is. It gives us no information that coincides with prophecy other than many believers fleeing away from Jerusalem. Since much more information is absent by all sources, trying to make up history 1900 years later is pointless. The warning is to not be deceived. Making stuff up that is not there, to prove a point, is an act of deception.

Being dogmatic that a new generation of Israelites and some sort of Tabernacle whether temporary or permanent can get obsessive just like the creeds and alleged historism. Those who need physical evidence should not be judged any more than those who take pride in having faith, without any evidence.
 
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Mt. 24:5.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

To be clear here, the Lord is not talking about anyone claiming to be the Messiah. Anyone who comes "in His name", are claiming to be legitimate ambassadors speaking on His behalf. The claim "I am Christ", should be translated: "I am anointed", because christos means anointed, and this is a claim that every false teacher, preacher and prophet is making these days. This is more than a sign of the end times, this is a caution for the wise follower to avoid being deceived.


Jesus says, don't be deceived. You say, don't be deceived. Thanks but how does one avoid being deceived? Well, don't be deceived.

Sigh.

Here are two key ideas to avoid being deceived:

1. Reject the ideas of equality.
2. Reject Islam even unto death.

The most important thing anybody can do to avoid being deceived is to utterly reject the ideas of equality.
We are stones, not bricks. If you believe in equality, then all gods are equal. Allah is the same god as the God of Christians. You must reject this thinking.

Islamic prophecy describes the return of Jesus - the Islamic Jesus. He's working with the Mahdi, aka Antichrist. This Jesus does miracles. He's working with other people and demons to spread Islam over the entire world. He forces everyone to convert to Islam under pain of death. Christians must choose death.

The foolish virgins (from the parable) get caught up in this whole fake Jesus thing. They get fooled, and convert to Islam.
 
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People often speak of "war and rumors of war", as well as global disasters as being signs of the end time. I would ask you today to look with fresh eyes and consider the Lord's heart in this regard.
Matthew 24:1.
And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to Him to show him the buildings of the temple.
At the end of a busy day, Jesus and his disciples find a quiet place, and they simply comment on the view of the temple mount. The Lord surprises them with a very precise and shocking prophecy.
Mt. 24:2. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Jesus has mentioned a few times that He would face rejection and death in Jerusalem, but now He speaks of God's soon judgment on the city and they immediately make a jump in their own minds that this pertains to the end of the age.
Mt. 24:3. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
We know that most of the Lord's followers would have lived to see the destruction of the temple, this event was not a herald of the end times.
While the questions reveal what was on their hearts, only the Lord's answers can show us His priorities.

Mt. 24:4. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Now if we pause here in the discourse and ask the question, "what do you think was the Lord's primary concern regarding the subject of signs and the end of the age? Your answer should be that He was concerned with deceptive teachings that would come forth in this regard. Did He not once say this concerning signs:
Matthew 16:4. A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign.

He continues the discourse by elaborating on the subject of deceptions, not signs.
Mt. 24:5. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

To be clear here, the Lord is not talking about anyone claiming to be the Messiah. Anyone who comes "in His name", are claiming to be legitimate ambassadors speaking on His behalf. The claim "I am Christ", should be translated: "I am anointed", because christos means anointed, and this is a claim that every false teacher, preacher and prophet is making these days. This is more than a sign of the end times, this is a caution for the wise follower to avoid being deceived.
Mt. 24:5. And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
These words "the end is not yet" should be enough to convince you that quoting "wars and rumors of wars" as if to imply that the end of the age is upon us is to discredit understanding.
Mt. 24:7. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mt:24:8. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Now this is something to consider. This expression of early birth pangs says a lot about being misinformed. Most people know that you don't rush to the hospital with the first contractions of birth. Couples are coached to time contractions to be sure that labor has begun. However, there are still occasions where an expectant mother is rushed to a hospital, only to return later that evening saying; "false alarm". A good possibility is that greater awareness avoids reacting inappropriately to the beginning of sorrows.

Mt. 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Again with the warnings and concerns over being deceived.

Mt. 24:12. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
This verse uses the word agape for love and therefore cannot be interpreted as a state of the world we live. Only believers can know the agape love of God, and only believers can lose their "first love" and fall away due to lawlessness (iniquity) within the church.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition.

This is why Jesus now says:
Mt. 24:13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

The main events or happenings before the beginning of the last week of Daniel 9:v.27.

See below what will happen from now on. The last week is not too far to start. Here goes as list of the events or happenings that will preceed the last week as was prophesied by Daniel 9:v.27:

- Death of Pope Francis;

- The Beast of the earth-earth is Israel-the clay-Isaiah 64:v.8- the dry land-Genesis 1:v.9-, with two horns LIKE A LAMB rises up in Israel;

- Election of the a new Pope – his nickname may be Pope Paulus VII;

- Then the Beast of the earth LIKE A LAMB manifest himself as God in Israel; in fact a false messiah, an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist false messiah;

- The esoteric and kabblistic, and spiritist Beast of the earth makes great signs and wonders of lie, even makes fire come down to the earth before men;

- The Pope Paulus VII will meet the Beast like lamb;

- Both will develop a union between the Roman Catholic Church and Judaism, iron with clay _Daniel 2:v.41-43- but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay;

- A religious and universal satanic Empire will be build by both religious leaders; Rev.11:v.1-2;

- The esoteric and kabbalistic, and spiritist Beast of the earth will make a deal with the Beast of sea, and he will give to the Beast of sea his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority. The Antichrist's Empire is conceived by both Beasts

All events or happenings listed above, some will will happen before starting the last week-Daniel 9:v.27-, others during the week as soon it starts, and others in the middle of the week and until the end.

- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NOTE: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

- Until this current time, the prophetical last week – Daniel 9:v.27 have not started yet, OK?

- A sequence of events will push the world direct to the last week from now on;

- On that occasion both Beasts WILL MAKE A DEAL who will FIRST rule the religious and universal Empire, the Antichrist's Empire, by the way, it will be the FIFTH and LAST universal Empire of the Devil. According Scriptures who will rule the FIRST half of the last week-Daniel 9:v.27- is the Beast of sea (the Beast of the waters-Revelation 13:v.5 & 17:v.15-check it out).

- Again: Once the DEAL BE CONCLUDED, who will rule FIRST the religious AND UNIVERSAL Antichrist’s Empire is the Pope, the Beast of sea, according to the prophecy-Revelation 13:v.5 & 7 & 15. By the way, it will be the elected NEW Pope, even him who will replace Pope Francis, whose nickname may be called Paulus VII;

- The date and the ceremony of enthronement of the FIRST RULER and GUIDE of the religious and satanic Empire of Antichrist will be combined and determined between both Beasts. After the enthronement's ceremony, THEN the FIRST 42-month period of the LAST WEEK, or three years and half, begins to be counted.

- Having ended the first 42-month period, imediately the Beast like a lamb, a false lamb, a false messiah, the ESOTERIC/KABBALIST/ SPIRITIST and RUTHLESS messiah of the Jews will be enthroned as the ruler of the satanic Antichrist's Empire by 1.290 days, and the Abomination of Desolation will sit in the Holy Place, Who will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called GOD, or that is worshipped; so that he as GOD sits in the temple of GOD, shewing himself that he is GOD.

- Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. The day 1.335 is the day of JESUS's return. Alleluia! - The millenial God's Kingdom begins;

- Satan is laid hold, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and deceives the wholeworld, he will be bound a thousand years into the bottomless pit, and will be shut up, and a seal put in him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled:

To the only Wise God our Savior, be Glory and Majesty, Dominion and Power, both now and ever. Amen.
 
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I speak to what has been, not to what is to come.

Jesus spoke to "this generation" that heard Him directly,
who saw the works that His Father gave the authority for Him to perform
as a testimony against them.

Matthew 23:34-36. Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Do you understand the judgment that generation endured?
ALL THE BLOOD of the righteous, from Abel!
And then He continues:
Matthew 23:37-39. O Jerusalem, that kills the prophets, and stones them which are sent unto you. How often would I have gathered your children together, even as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, You shall not see me henceforth, till you shall say, Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.

This generation suffered the destruction of the Temple, in a time of desolation, and tribulation.
Matthew 24:34. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Two temples, two judgments, two destructions.
Prophecy Fulfilled.
The preparation of the Gospel of Peace that the Body of Christ are to preach to Jerusalem was laid out in the prophet Isaiah:
Isaiah 40:1, 2. “Comfort, yes, comfort My people!”
Says your God.
“Speak comfort to Jerusalem, and cry out to her, that her warfare is ended.
That her iniquity is pardoned; for she has received from the Lord’s hand
double for all her sins.
Jesus spoke of "the generation that (sees) all things things. Not to the generation that heard him speaking. Why change the scripture ?
 
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Jesus spoke of "the generation that (sees) all things things. Not to the generation that heard him speaking. Why change the scripture ?
He is clearly speaking to the scribes and Pharisees of that generation in Matthew 23.
Matthew 23:34-36. Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Do you understand the judgment that generation endured?
ALL THE BLOOD of the righteous, from Abel!
And then He continues:
Matthew 23:37-39. O Jerusalem, that kills the prophets, and stones them which are sent unto you. How often would I have gathered your children together, even as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, You shall not see me henceforth, till you shall say, Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.
 
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He is clearly speaking to the scribes and Pharisees of that generation in Matthew 23.
You were speaking of Matthew 24, Olivet Discourse. Didn't follow the switch to ch 23, thought it was new thought. Sorry if I was misunderstood
 
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You were speaking of Matthew 24, Olivet Discourse. Didn't follow the switch to ch 23, thought it was new thought. Sorry if I was misunderstood
It is a legitimate question. The Olivet Discourse begins with this prophecy:
Matthew 24:
1
Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said to them, Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone
shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

To what generation is this prophecy directed?
And upon hearing, the disciples make a jump in
there own minds to the end of the age:
3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, Tell us,
when will these things be? [temple destruction]
And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?


Rightly dividing what He is addressing that pertains to the destruction of the temple, and what
pertains to the end of the age is the issue. The disciples wanted signs, but the answer the Lord
gives establishes His priorities.

4 And Jesus answered and said to them: Take heed that no one deceives you.

This idea is fully explored in post #1, but the question at this point in time is, do you think
there is much deceptive teaching/false prophesying, concerning this narrative? Do you think the
repeated warnings concerning deceptions are bearing out? Isn't that in and of itself a sign of
the time?
 
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It is a legitimate question. The Olivet Discourse begins with this prophecy:
Matthew 24:
1
Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said to them, Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone
shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

To what generation is this prophecy directed?
And upon hearing, the disciples make a jump in
there own minds to the end of the age:
3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, Tell us,
when will these things be? [temple destruction]
And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?


Rightly dividing what He is addressing that pertains to the destruction of the temple, and what
pertains to the end of the age is the issue. The disciples wanted signs, but the answer the Lord
gives establishes His priorities.

4 And Jesus answered and said to them: Take heed that no one deceives you.

This idea is fully explored in post #1, but the question at this point in time is, do you think
there is much deceptive teaching/false prophesying, concerning this narrative? Do you think the
repeated warnings concerning deceptions are bearing out? Isn't that in and of itself a sign of
the time?
The only sign he told them to act on was the AOD "standing in the holy place". None of this happened during the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. They burned the Temple and pushed over the stones to recover the gold. There's was no Holy Place to stand in.
Then he gave another warning,

Matthew 24:26So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

When Jesus comes again there will be no guessing, everyone will know it.

When will he return ?

Matthew 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days" the days of the AOD and the great tribulation during this time. Again, didn't happen during the destruction of the Temple in 70AD

Yes, Jesus addressed the destruction of the Temple. He also addressed the "end of the age" and his return
 
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