Why do people hate the Seventh Day Adventists?

I do not hate the SDA's and any Christian that does is not much of a Christian. We are told to hate no man or woman.

And yet Luke 14:26 says "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brothers, and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

sparow said:

On YouTube I watched how the SDA are a cult. According to my dictionary there is nothing wrong with being a cult.

Here the SDA defends itself:

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They believe that they are the only true church. All other churches are deceived and follow the devil, in ignoring the fourth commandment.

Church history is false, the early church followed the Sabbath.

The mark of the beast is state enforced Sunday attendance. All nations will declare that Sunday is the only day that anyone can attend church. It is not a mark on the arm or forehead, in a literal sense.

The fourth commandment is the premier commandment, that commandment is the one that glows in the dark.

klutedavid said:

They believe that they are the only true church. All other churches are deceived and follow the devil, in ignoring the fourth commandment.

Church history is false, the early church followed the Sabbath.

The mark of the beast is state enforced Sunday attendance. All nations will declare that Sunday is the only day that anyone can attend church. It is not a mark on the arm or forehead, in a literal sense.

The fourth commandment is the premier commandment, that commandment is the one that glows in the dark.

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Misinformation much? Here is what they really believe...

They beleive God's people are in every church who are living up to all the knowledge of his Word that He has revealed to them JOHN 10:16. They believe not every church is following God's Word according to the scriptures * REVELATION 17:3-5. They believe that God is calling his people out from following man made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God MATTHEW 15:3-9; REVELATIONS 18:1-5. They believe God is a Spirit and those who worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth *JOHN 4:23-24. They believe that God's 4th commandment is only one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS according to the new covenant *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and if we knowingly *JAMES 4:17; ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 17:30-31 break anyone of them (10 commandments) when we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word *ROMANS 14:23 and reject it, we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11 and those who knowingly reject God's Word in order to continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter into the kingdom of God because they reject the free gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispite the Spirit of God's grace *ACTS 17:30-31; HEBREWS 10:26-27. They believe it is sin that brings the Mark of the Beast and that Gods judgements from GENESIS to REVELATION have only always been given because of wicked men living in unrepentant sin (breaking God's commandments) and it will be the same in the last days prior to the return of JESUS in the clouds of Heaven. They believe according to the scriptures, no one receives the mark of the beast until all men are forced into sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) under penalty of civil law. They believe that the mark of the beast in the head (forehead) and hand is symbolic to the scriptures of believing or doing sin. (more information and scripture support here click me)

Hope this helps with the misinformation and any misunderstandings.

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LoveGodsWord said:

Misinformation much? Here is what they really believe...

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Which statements in my post are false statements, misinformation?

In the list below identify the misinformation.

1) The SDA is the true church?

2) Church history is false, the early church followed the Sabbath?

3) The mark of the beast is state enforced Sunday attendance?

4) The fourth commandment is the premier commandment, that commandment is the one that glows in the dark?

EastCoastRemnant said:

The world has always hated God's Commandment keeping people because Satan, the prince of this world, hates God's Commandments, especially the 4th that identifies the seal of the Creator. It's no accident that the 4th Commandment is the 1 out of the 10 that is forgotten... the only one that begins with the word "Remember".

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Thanks for providing the reason people "hate" SDAs. (no one really does) IMHO
Your claims about the fourth commandment are divisive.
The SDAs have made enemies by their own doing.

EastCoastRemnant said:

That is certainly your prerogative to believe...

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do you believe that Michaele is God? If so, why?

klutedavid said:

Which statements in my post are false statements, misinformation?
In the list below identify the misinformation.
1) The SDA is the true church?
2) Church history is false, the early church followed the Sabbath?
3) The mark of the beast is state enforced Sunday attendance?
4) The fourth commandment is the premier commandment, that commandment is the one that glows in the dark?

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One through four.

sparow said:

I have know Dispensationalists who hate the SDA and this hatred is institutionalised in the rhetoric; the reason is futurism is the antithesis of historicism; I do not believe the SDA hate the Dispensationalists; the hate their theology. All they have to is keep the commandments of God, then prophesy says the world will hate them; if they are not hated it is because they are not practicing what they preach.

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Are you sure that Dispensationalists hate the SDAs? More likely that they hate the "historicism" you mention. (as opposed to futurism) And why do you see Dispensationalism as a group, rather than an ideology? And honestly, no one can keep the laws of God. That's the point. And what "prophecy" says the world will hate them? Are you referring to the Bible, or EGW?

LoveGodsWord said:

They believe that God's 4th commandment is only one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS according to the new covenant *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and if we knowingly *JAMES 4:17; ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 17:30-31 break anyone of them (10 commandments) when we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word *ROMANS 14:23 and reject it, we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11 and those who knowingly reject God's Word in order to continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter into the kingdom of God because they reject the free gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispite the Spirit of God's grace *ACTS 17:30-31; HEBREWS 10:26-27. They believe it is sin that brings the Mark of the Beast and that Gods judgements from GENESIS to REVELATION have only always been given because of wicked men living in unrepentant sin (breaking God's commandments) and it will be the same in the last days prior to the return of JESUS in the clouds of Heaven.

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Since all Christian catechisms announce that the NT Sabbath is on Sunday, then, to SDA's, all Christians are not saved, just like @klutedavid said.

The other non-Christian aspect of SDA is their belief in "soul sleep." Are there other big differences?

On the positive side, I think your premileenial version makes more sense than the prevalent Dispensational version. And I don't particularly criticize your beliefs regarding Archangel Michael (maybe?).

Christians do not hate anyone. And they accept all Trinitarians. It's SDA's who think that Christians "will not enter the Kingdom of God."

Andrewn said:

Since all Christian catechisms announce that the NT Sabbath is on Sunday, then, to SDA's, all Christians are not saved, just like @klutedavid said.

The other non-Christian aspect of SDA is their belief in "soul sleep." Are there other big differences?

On the positive side, I think your premileenial version makes more sense than the prevalent Dispensational version. And I don't particularly criticize your beliefs regarding Archangel Michael (maybe?).

Christians do not hate anyone. And they accept all Trinitarians. It's SDA's who think that Christians "will not enter the Kingdom of God."

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Hello Andrewn, nice to meet you.

You have your facts wrong here dear friend but let me share with you why in order to help with any misunderstandings you may have. I pray this may be helpful to some.

According to the scriptures (not catechisms which are man made teachings), SDA's believe, God's people are are in every church who are living up to all the knowledge that God has revealed to them. God knows that most of the world has been deceived into disobeying his 4th commandment and in times of ignorance God does not hold us accountable for sin until he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we reject his Word and continue in sin *JAMES 4:17.

When each of us receive a knowledge of the truth of God's Word according to the scriptures God calls us to believe and follow His Word *ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 17:30-31. At this point, when we have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word we have a decision to make. We can believe and follow God's Word and have a closer walk with JESUS, or we can reject Gods' Word and continue in known unrepentant sin. If we reject Gods' in order to continue in known unrepentant sin, or follow the traditions and teachings of men over the Word of God (see MATTHEW 15:3-9) the bible teaches we are no longer following Gods' Word, and there remains no more sacrifice for sin, but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because those doing so reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispite to the Spirit of God's grace *HEBREWS 10:26-39.

Sin, which is defined in the bible as knowingly breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 7:7 and not believing and following God's Word *ROMANS 14:23 when we have been given a knowledge of God's truth *ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 17:30-31, without confession and repentance (1 JOHN 1:9; PROVERBS 28:9-13; 1 JOHN 2:1-2), will keep all those who practice it out of God's kingdom *REVELATION 22:11-15; REVELATION 21:7-8; 2 THESSALONIANS 1:9.

Sin is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 JOHN 3:6-10; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14. The scriptures teach that God's people are in EVERY CHURCH living up to all the knowledge that God has revealed to them *JOHN 10:16 but the hour is coming and now is that the true woshippers will hear God's voice (the Word) *JOHN 10:26-27 and come out from following man made teachings and traditions *MATTHEW 15:3-9 back to the pure Word of God.

I believe God is calling us all where ever we may be to worship him in Spirit and in truth, God is a Spirit and those who worship him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *JOHN 4:23-24. God is calling his people back to his Word and away from the apostate teachings of the fallen churches and the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *REVELATION 18:1-5; REVELATION 17:1-5

Hope this is helpful

God bless

Andrewn said:

Since all Christian catechisms announce that the NT Sabbath is on Sunday, then, to SDA's, all Christians are not saved

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Just a small correction here.

The Sabbath has not been moved from one day to another.

The day Christ arose and was witnessed by the apostles, is the day that the early church gathered to celebrate. The church gathers not to rest but to worship and rejoice.

All Christian catechisms do not say the Sabbath is on Sunday. Nor do all Christian churches even have catechisms.

We Gentiles are not under the law and are not required to obey the letter of the law. We have just one outstanding debt to Jesus and that is to love others, just as He loved us.

LoveGodsWord said:

SDA's believe, God's people are are in every church who are living up to all the knowledge that God has revealed to them.

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Are you saying that if God has revealed to me that the Sabbath is on Sunday then I am OK? I know pastors who take their rest day on Mondays, is everything OK, so long they believe in resting in resting one day of the week?

Or are you saying that since we've heard from SDA's that Sabbath rest should be on Saturdays, then Christians are not following a commandment they have knowledge of?

klutedavid said:

All Christian catechisms do not say the Sabbath is on Sunday.

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All traditional Christians: Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics, and traditional Protestants have catechisms requiring Sabbath rest on Sundays.

klutedavid said:

Nor do all Christian churches even have catechisms. We Gentiles are not under the law and are not required to obey the letter of the law.

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I realize that you represent modern Evangelicals (Credobaptists) who do not believe the Sabbath is a command and do not have catechisms. I attend Evangelical churches now and have had these conversations with pastors who do not believe in Sunday rest.

Do you remember the days when stores were closed on Sundays by law? These were laws based on traditional Christianity. Trading hours on Sundays were deregulated in New South Wales following the enactment of the Shop Trading Act 2008. In Canada, we had the Lord's Day Act which is no longer in effect.

Andrewn said:

Are you saying that if God has revealed to me that the Sabbath is on Sunday then I am OK? I know pastors who take their rest day on Mondays, is everything OK, so long they believe in resting in resting one day of the week?

Or are you saying that since we've heard from SDA's that Sabbath rest should be on Saturdays, then Christians are not following a commandment they have knowledge of?

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God's Sabbath is not on Sunday or the first day of the week. It never has been. It has always been on the "seventh day" of the week that God blessed, set apart from all the other days of the week and made a Holy day of rest from work for all mankind at the end of creation *GENESIS 2:1-3; MARK 2:27. May I ask dear friend, what you think post # 654 linked and the scriptures provided in them are saying in your view? How do you understant what was written in that post?

LoveGodsWord said:

May I ask dear friend, what you think post # 654 linked and the scriptures provided in them are saying in your view? How do you understant what was written in that post?

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I agree with everything in that post. I wouldn't limit sin to the 10 commandments but it includes the 10 commandments. My only question is how do you define "knowledge?"

Are you saying that if God has revealed to me that the Sabbath is on Sunday then I am OK? I know pastors who take their rest day on Mondays, is everything OK, so long they believe in resting in resting one day of the week?

Or are you saying that since we've heard from SDA's that Sabbath rest should be on Saturdays, then Christians are not following a commandment they have knowledge of?

I should also ask, how do you spend Saturdays? What does "rest" mean to you?

It seems some people confuse disagreement for hate.

We are to love all people and we can do that even while disagreeing with them.
Do I hate them? No. There are many lovely SDA people, but do I agree with them? No.