LDS No Undeserved Blessings

Rescued One · Jun 1, 2020

Peter1000 said:
Many Christian scholars agree with JS about the Bible. We are not against the bible. It is one of our scriptures that we read every day. You have no monopoly on the bible. We love the bible, but we understand why it has confused billions of people into thousands of different churches, all teaching different doctrines from hundreds of different translations of the bible.

The Bible is God's word and always has been. It doesn't confuse those who are given the Holy Spirit. God allows murderers to kill, and abusive parents to harm children, and evil people to break many commandments, and false teachers to exist and spew poisonous doctrines. God allows the Coronavirus and all manner of diseases and accidents to take people's lives. He also brings people to Christ and gives the Holy Spirit to teach the vessels of mercy.

"What if God, willing to show His wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction; And that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had before prepared unto glory,"
Romans 9:22

Peter1000 said:
What needed to happen, did happen, God and Jesus brought another prophet to the world to help straighten out the misconceptions people have with the bible and get to the truth of such basic concepts as "baptism". You and I do not even agree on the most basic ordinance of "baptism". How can we possibly agree on anything else?

Do your believe that Jesus made it clear in the bible that a man must be baptized?

2 Corinthians 6:15
And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

Rescued One · Jun 1, 2020

Peter1000 said:
It will burst and cover the whole earth with the doctrines of Christ. In the next 10 years you will see millions coming to the Church of Jesus Christ as the gospel message is spoken in all tongues of the world and all people will hear and will be baptized member of the church.

The second coming is coming and the Lord will send his spirit especially for the purpose of getting the world ready for his second coming and we will all be necessary to prepare the world for that great event. So keep in touch and keep watching and maybe you can learn what you can do to help get the world ready for the great second coming of Christ.

Jeremiah 23:16
This is what the LORD of Hosts says: "Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They are filling you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.

Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Rescued One · Jun 1, 2020

Peter1000 said:
IOW We believe in Christ, and are saved in heaven, but we are not willing to do good works, so they are not in the highest level of heaven. Perfect explanation.

Why did you quote demons?

Rescued One · Jun 1, 2020

Peter1000 said:
Talking about heaven are the words of demons? Think again?

I NEVER said that. False accusations are not of God, so please pay attention.

Peter1000 said:
But is everything I say about our belief in heaven, the words of demons? You need to apologize for being so rude.

Your religion is not Christian. Your quote were words of demons. I did not quote anything you said about heaven. I addessed this:

IOW We believe in Christ, and are saved in heaven, but we are not willing to do good works,

Peter1000 said:
Goats know their master, but do not follow him.

According to Mormonism (a religion you ought to be aware of), the ones who do not obey your laws can't know God. Furthermore, shepherds do not lead goats and are not their masters.

Peter1000 said:
Therefore they will not be with Christ in heaven.

Of course, they won't!

And Christians don't accept your convoluted interpretation of heaven.

Peter1000 · Jun 1, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
I NEVER said that. False accusations are not of God, so please pay attention.

I was writing about people who do not get to the highest degrees of heaven. Just because you do not believe what I say does not mean these words are words of demons. I do not believe 1/2 of what you say, but have never accused you of speaking words of demons. Please.

Your religion is not Christian. Your quote were words of demons. I did not quote anything you said about heaven. I addessed this:

The original demon words are on post 37. They are about people who are saved, but do not follow through and do good works for God. So they find themselves, not in the highest levels of heaven, but are in a lower more comfortable level of heaven. This is what I was talking about when you tagged these words, words from demons.

Our church name is: The Church of Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is the center of our teachings and our lives. It is the paramount description of a Christian Church. You may not want to belong to this Christian church, but I suspect there are many mainstream Christian churches that you would have nothing to do with, because they teach things that you cannot believe. Check it out, I think you would be surprized.

And Christians don't accept your convoluted interpretation of heaven.

I taught this convoluted interpretation of heaven to hundreds of Christians, and many said to me, this is the first time that heaven has made sense to me. I know it is true. They could see all around them the different behaviors if Christians. Some were good, some were pretty good, some were bad. All saved and going to heaven because they believed, but how does it work? When I taught them, they knew it was true, and got baptized members.

He is the way · Jun 1, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
I NEVER said that. False accusations are not of God, so please pay attention.

Your religion is not Christian. Your quote were words of demons. I did not quote anything you said about heaven. I addessed this:

According to Mormonism (a religion you ought to be aware of), the ones who do not obey your laws can't know God. Furthermore, shepherds do not lead goats and are not their masters.

Of course, they won't!

And Christians don't accept your convoluted interpretation of heaven.

You said: "According to Mormonism (a religion you ought to be aware of), the ones who do not obey your laws can't know God."

The Bible states:

(New Testament | 1 John 2:4)

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

We are to prepare to meet God by keeping the commandments so we can reap the blessings that are promised to those who keep them. Obedience is the key to righteousness. Jesus taught us to LOVE Him by keeping the commandments.

(New Testament | James 1:22 - 27)

22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Rescued One · Jun 1, 2020

@He is the way

You like to take posts out of context.

Rescued One · Jun 1, 2020

Peter1000 said:
I was writing about people who do not get to the highest degrees of heaven. Just because you do not believe what I say does not mean these words are words of demons. I do not believe 1/2 of what you say, but have never accused you of speaking words of demons. Please.

I know you don't believe the Bible.

Peter1000 said:
The original demon words are on post 37. They are about people who are saved, but do not follow through and do good works for God.

There are zero saved people who ignore God. Demons teach that you can be saved and ignore God.

So they find themselves, not in the highest levels of heaven, but are in a lower more comfortable level of heaven. This is what I was talking about when you tagged these words, words from demons.

Your quoted originated with demons.

Peter1000 said:
Our church name is: The Church of Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is the center of our teachings and our lives. It is the paramount description of a Christian Church. You may not want to belong to this Christian church, but I suspect there are many mainstream Christian churches that you would have nothing to do with, because they teach things that you cannot believe. Check it out, I think you would be surprized.

I don't think you know one church from another. Your church is NOT Christian --- you believe that there are multiple gods and Mormons think that Joseph Smith became a god.

Peter1000 said:
I taught this convoluted interpretation of heaven to hundreds of Christians,

You don't know a Christian from a toad!

Peter1000 said:
and many said to me, this is the first time that heaven has made sense to me. I know it is true. They could see all around them the different behaviors if Christians.

No, they could not tell a Christian from a cotton ball!

Peter1000 said:
Some were good, some were pretty good, some were bad. All saved and going to heaven because they believed, but how does it work? When I taught them, they knew it was true, and got baptized members.

Christians are totally 100% forgiven and have the righteousness of Christ because they have faith in His blood and the Holy Spirit to teach them. They spend eternity with the ONE TRUE GOD.

1 Corinthians 1
4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; 5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

He is the way · Jun 1, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
@He is the way
You like to take posts out of context.

Well that is one of the blessings of keeping the commandments because that it is the only way to truly know God.

Rescued One · Jun 2, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
@He is the way
You like to take posts out of context.

You like to make random posts that are off-topic.

Rescued One · Jun 2, 2020

He is the way said:
Well that is one of the blessings of keeping the commandments because that it is the only way to truly know God.

You can't earn God's friendship! Mormons are spinning their wheels and going nowhere hoping to earn something for themselves.

He is the way · Jun 2, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
You like to make random posts that are off-topic.

The topic of this thread is indeed about blessings. Besides I did not say "You like to take posts out of context." you did.

He is the way · Jun 2, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
You can't earn God's friendship! Mormons are spinning their wheels and going nowhere hoping to earn something for themselves.

Why would Jesus say:

(New Testament | John 14:21)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Rescued One · Jun 2, 2020

He is the way said:
Why would Jesus say:

(New Testament | John 14:21)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Because it is true. Our new life created by God, not us, is one that is capable of obedience. We are set free from the power of Satan; we can now resist him.

John 8
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

1 Thessalonians 5
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Jude 1
24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

1 Corinthians 1
4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; 5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rescued One · Jun 2, 2020

He is the way said:
You said: "According to Mormonism (a religion you ought to be aware of), the ones who do not obey your laws can't know God."

I did not say that to you. You deleted most of the conversation that Peter1000 and I were having.

I have never advocated disobedience to God.

He is the way · Jun 2, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
Because it is true. Our new life created by God, not us, is one that is capable of obedience. We are set free from the power of Satan; we can now resist him.

John 8
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

1 Thessalonians 5
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Jude 1
24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

1 Corinthians 1
4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; 5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

Where there are laws there are consequences. Every law has a reward whether good for obedience of bad for disobedience. There are reasons for the laws. God gave us the laws for a reason. He expects us to behave ourselves and rewards us when we do. He also penalizes us when we don't. Some people do not like God's laws of LOVE because they only care about themselves.

He is the way · Jun 2, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
I did not say that to you. You deleted most of the conversation that Peter1000 and I were having.

I have never advocated disobedience to God.

But you did say "According to Mormonism (a religion you ought to be aware of), the ones who do not obey your laws can't know God." and it is wrong even if the intended person is Peter1000. I feel it my duty to correct erroneous statements. That being said, there are too many to correct them all.

twin.spin · Jun 3, 2020

God revealed why he gave us the laws:

"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."

This alone reveals that God's laws aren't some "rungs on a ladder" as Joseph Smith explained.

He is the way · Jun 3, 2020

twin.spin said:
God revealed why he gave us the laws:

"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."
This alone reveals that God's laws aren't some "rungs on a ladder" as Joseph Smith explained.

As I have said before and the Bible makes it perfectly clear that we are not saved by works, neither are we saved without them. Eternal life is granted to those who keep the commandments:

(New Testament | Luke 10:25 - 28)

25 ¶ And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

(New Testament | James 1:22 - 27)

22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Rescued One · Jun 3, 2020

He is the way said:
But you did say "According to Mormonism (a religion you ought to be aware of), the ones who do not obey your laws can't know God." and it is wrong even if the intended person is Peter1000. I feel it my duty to correct erroneous statements.

Okay, you are free to disagree and claim that statement is wrong. However, your supposed rebuttal is wrong and furthermore you did not make your opinion clear. Why do you disagree with your church's teaching?

LDS Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual, Enrichment G, p. 395

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