The Bible Proves Evolution

Tone said:

2 Timothy 4:3
"3For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. 4So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."


Gotcha...

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This verse is talking about the Bible. Notice the word here is doctrine. To form a doctrine you need scripture.

What does the Bible say about creation?
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

What does the Bible say about evolution? I will wait while you find verses on it.

Hans Blaster said:

Funny thing was until I found *this site* 5+ years ago, the only one I knew of was the epic of Gilgamesh and largely didn't care about religion or the arguments for/against god. Thanks CF!

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Yes, that's interesting, isn't it? I've probably learnt more about science, philosophy, and religion, and patience in debate, through the challenges to knowledge, understanding, and human nature that this site provides, than if I'd spent the time in any other way.

Exasperation can be a great motivator!

Tone said:

If they will turn away from hearing "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them" (doctrine), thus turning away from the Bible (truth), then anything they turn to that contradicts Exodus 20:11 is called what?

Hint:

Myths

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I am thoroughly confused about what you are arguing about or for.

Your original post says you are arguing for evolution.
Now you appear to be arguing for creation, maybe...

Hint: If you are making a debate make it obvous what you are debating for.

Tone said:

@coffee4u

Does Exodus 20:11 exclude the theory of evolution?

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2 Peter 3:8 kind of throws a wrench in the idea that it does.

Subduction Zone said:

Then if you understood the sciences at all you would have to agree that a literal interpretation of Genesis is bad doctrine.

Here is another question: When read literally the Bible only supports a Flat Earth. It implies that the world is flat in word and deed. Is it good doctrine to say that the Earth is flat?

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Let there be light, the Big Bang.

Animals, plants, fish, birds, are in different epochs.

Sun, moon, earth, and stars, are developed together.

Appearance of continents.

Development of atmosphere.

Mankind right at the end.

Not bad for a near literal interpretation of Genesis. Considering the text is probably at least 2500 years old.

Tone said:

@coffee4u

Does Exodus 20:11 exclude the theory of evolution?

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Depends how you interpret 'day' in Genesis. If day is a literal day, then God has deceived most of us. If day is an epoch, then science mirrors Genesis to some extent.

Tone said:

How, if evolution speaks of billions of years?


*I can see if it spoke of thousands, but...

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I don't know if ToE speaks of billions of years, but certainly hundreds of millions.

Tone said:

Why do you say that? "most of us"?

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The scientific world in many areas of science, believe in a very old earth. I personally believe that the earth is very old and the evidence is overwhelming for that.

Genesis for a very old text has a verse here and there in the wrong place. But as an overview of the universe and the earth it is very good.

genesis may be the oldest text in the scripture. Was it a much older revelation that was written in, probably. It's age is impossible to know.

Tone said:

How long is an epoch?


*At most it would be 1000 years if you take 2 Peter 3:8 literally, by your definition.

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How ever long God decided each epoch would be. This is a creation week and not some solar week. Genesis is a summary of the key events in the history of the universe, earth, life, and us. For that purpose it is sufficient.

Tone said:

How long is an epoch?


*At most it would be 1000 years if you take 2 Peter 3:8 literally, by your definition.

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Peter is saying simply that we can't measure time and expect God to follow the same timeline. God is beyond spacetime and does things in His time. God does not notice human time frames, a thousands years is irrelevant to God.

Tone said:

@coffee4u

Does Exodus 20:11 exclude the theory of evolution?

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Yes.

This is the open area, so I will leave you to it.

coffee4u said:

Yes.

This is the open area, so I will leave you to it.

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Days can be epochs and that still does not invalidate Exodus 20:11.
Because the Genesis text uses the word 'day'.

The Exodus verse is talking about a Sabbath day, if I remember correctly. The Lord made the earth in six days...
Yes certainly, but these were God's creation days and not to be confused with our understanding of days.

Once again, the evidence for an old earth is really beyond debate. It is a closed shop in science, no one questions the evidence. The evidence comes from all different areas in science and is above any personal opinions.