Why do I feel like Jesus is slowly but surely being taken out of Christianity?

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Perhaps you could tell us what you were talking about, because other participants have taken your thread and ran with it.

Yes, I have seen that. I see now I should have been more clear. For instance, from watching different Churches, I see that they don't preach Jesus as much anymore as much they preach the old testement, dos that make sense? I also hear a lot of Christian songs that even though they are singing about Jesus, they don't say his name. Now I am hearing Christians saying "Jesus isn't a religion, it's a relationship". I get what they are trying to say, but I believe at the end of the day, that is watering down Jesus in essence.
 
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It happened from the time the apostles were no longer with us, when people started claiming they inherited the keys from Peter and had Apostolic succession to their "authority".

The emphasis was taken off Christ and placed on doctrinal disputes and disputes of apostolic succession. Men became more important than the One who the faith is all about and should be all about. Miraculously even today there are still Christians popping up in churches and in forums, seeking Jesus through all the Churchianity and Churchythology and religiosity. You're obviously one of them. That's the work of Christ among his remnant found among those calling themselves the elect. You're like the apostles Jesus chose. You're seeking God through all the religious hype.

Wow, that really hit deep.......
 
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I just feel like, for instance, through Church services, and any other forum of Christanity, that Jesus is slowly being forgotten. I just feel like Jesus is being watered down a lot. Can't just be me?
I think your correct in your observation.
 
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I just feel like, for instance, through Church services, and any other forum of Christanity, that Jesus is slowly being forgotten. I just feel like Jesus is being watered down a lot. Can't just be me?
Prosperity Gospel is dominating. We want to drive fancy cars, live in big houses, wear expensive clothes, go on vacations, have millions in the bank and we think that is why Jesus Christ died for us.
Matthew 6:24 Jesus Christ says "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
We remember Jesus Christ during easter and Christmas time AND we do not even go to church in those days to praise him. We cook big meals(that we end up throwing away) and we do not care about those that are starving. We use the name of Jesus Christ to fool one another into believing that we found salvation, we have repented and we are born again. We do not yet understand that we go to the Father through Jesus Christ.
God Bless You
 
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I am a big fan of Christian radio and listen to it all the time. I have written a lot of emails complaining of prayers going to God, Father, or Lord, and then proceeding to ice out the name of Jesus all together.

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. - John 14

Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. - Acts 3:6

Notice that Peter not only named the name of Jesus but "In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth." It is imperetive that we include the name of Jesus somewhere in our prayers! It is always good to hear a prayer end something like, "In Jesus precious name... Amen!"

"I am a big fan of Christian radio and listen to it all the time. I have written a lot of emails complaining of prayers going to God, Father, or Lord, and then proceeding to ice out the name of Jesus all together"

Yes, yes and YES! Perfect example!!! This is what I am talking about! Why are they not saying his name? Especially in a lot of Christian songs now a days!
 
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The plainly stated will of Jesus concerning His followers was and still is "That they all may be ONE, even as I and my heavenly Father are ONE". The reason why this is so important to Him is obvious. Truth cannot conflict with truth, therefore conflicting beliefs necessarily mean false beliefs. Denominations invariably "water down" the teachings of Jesus that He gave to the Church He founded, replacing some of them with new traditions of men, introducing untruth into what was the original and complete truth of Christianity. The one Church He founded remains one in belief, one in teaching, one in worship, one in biblical understanding after 2,000 years, just as He promised it would.
 
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Yes, I have seen that. I see now I should have been more clear. For instance, from watching different Churches, I see that they don't preach Jesus as much anymore as much they preach the old testement, dos that make sense? I also hear a lot of Christian songs that even though they are singing about Jesus, they don't say his name. Now I am hearing Christians saying "Jesus isn't a religion, it's a relationship". I get what they are trying to say, but I believe at the end of the day, that is watering down Jesus in essence.
I see three issues you have raised.
1) they don't preach Jesus as much anymore as much they preach the old testament
2) Christian songs that even though they are singing about Jesus, they don't say his name
3) Christians saying "Jesus isn't a religion, it's a relationship".

My response to item 1 is, I understand. On the other hand don't dismiss the OT, it points to Christ in a very dramatic way and every time, that is every single time, you see someone in the NT saying something about "the scriptures" they are talking about the Old Testament (there's one possible exception, II Peter 3:16) .

item2. I used to work in Christian radio. I had a major market morning show in the 90s. Your concern was an issue in the 80s. Our GM had the same issue in the 90s and was reluctant to play some hit CCM songs because he considered the message vague.
As it applies to listening for entertainment value, it doesn't bother me so much. It's not an issue in our Church when it comes to the services/worship.
3) You'd have to explain your concerns a bit more here. Christianity is a religion, of course. otoh, we are talking about a relationship with Christ as part of His body, the Church. So Id' need to know more of your concern.
 
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I see three issues you have raised.
1) they don't preach Jesus as much anymore as much they preach the old testament
2) Christian songs that even though they are singing about Jesus, they don't say his name
3) Christians saying "Jesus isn't a religion, it's a relationship".

My response to item 1 is, I understand. On the other don't dismiss the OT, it points to Christ in a very dramatic way and every time, that is is every single time, you see someone in the NT saying something about "the scriptures" they are talking about the Old Testament.

item2. I used to work in Christian radio. I had a major market morning show in the 90s. Your concern was an issue in the 80s. Our GM had the same issue in the 90s and was reluctant to play some hit CCM songs because he considered the message vague.
As it applies to listening for entertainment value, it doesn't bother me so much and it's not an issue in our Church when it comes to the services/worship.
3) You'd have to explain your concerns a bit more here. Christianity is a religion, of course. otoh, we are talking about a relationship with Christ as part of His body, the Church. So Id' need to know more of your concern.

Yes, i dont understand the issue with 3)

1) may be valid

2) yeah am inclined to agree on the songs. depends whether worship or entertainment
 
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I see three issues you have raised.
1) they don't preach Jesus as much anymore as much they preach the old testament
2) Christian songs that even though they are singing about Jesus, they don't say his name
3) Christians saying "Jesus isn't a religion, it's a relationship".

My response to item 1 is, I understand. On the other hand don't dismiss the OT, it points to Christ in a very dramatic way and every time, that is every single time, you see someone in the NT saying something about "the scriptures" they are talking about the Old Testament (there's one possible exception, II Peter 3:16) .

item2. I used to work in Christian radio. I had a major market morning show in the 90s. Your concern was an issue in the 80s. Our GM had the same issue in the 90s and was reluctant to play some hit CCM songs because he considered the message vague.
As it applies to listening for entertainment value, it doesn't bother me so much. It's not an issue in our Church when it comes to the services/worship.
3) You'd have to explain your concerns a bit more here. Christianity is a religion, of course. otoh, we are talking about a relationship with Christ as part of His body, the Church. So Id' need to know more of your concern.

Thank you so much for breaking it down. I do have more examples but of course, when I come home, I can't think of them.

"My response to item 1 is, I understand. On the other hand don't dismiss the OT, it points to Christ in a very dramatic way and every time, that is every single time, you see someone in the NT saying something about "the scriptures" they are talking about the Old Testament (there's one possible exception, II Peter 3:16) ."

This explanation really, really helped.

As for number 2, I kind of get what you mean. I mean I understand.


As for number 3, I guess I see it on all platforms of social media lately of younger Christains, teens and 20 somethings, they make video's, of a Christian nature and it's really nice but they keep saying "Jesus is not a religion but, a relationship", it's something along those lines, I can't remember word for word, but it's a phrase that keeps getting repeated over and over again. It made me raise an eyebrow to say the least.

As I said, I have numerous examples, really important ones, that I just can't remember at the moment. It will come to me through out the day. I just think that in general, Jesus is being taken out of Christiantiy.
 
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Thank you so much for breaking it down. I do have more examples but of course, when I come home, I can't think of them.

"My response to item 1 is, I understand. On the other hand don't dismiss the OT, it points to Christ in a very dramatic way and every time, that is every single time, you see someone in the NT saying something about "the scriptures" they are talking about the Old Testament (there's one possible exception, II Peter 3:16) ."

This explanation really, really helped.

As for number 2, I kind of get what you mean. I mean I understand.


As for number 3, I guess I see it on all platforms of social media lately of younger Christains, teens and 20 somethings, they make video's, of a Christian nature and it's really nice but they keep saying "Jesus is not a religion but, a relationship", it's something along those lines, I can't remember word for word, but it's a phrase that keeps getting repeated over and over again. It made me raise an eyebrow to say the least.

As I said, I have numerous examples, really important ones, that I just can't remember at the moment. It will come to me through out the day. I just think that in general, Jesus is being taken out of Christiantiy.

yes!! i think the New Testament is great fow showing u show the Law and the feasts of God are foretastes of Jesus. eg Jesus is our sabbath rest . shavout foreshadows the comign of the holy spirit in pentecost
 
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To be honest, although I hear people say what the OP says, I'm never clear what that means.

So, as I would define it: many churches don't follow the teachings of Christ. When I say that Christ said that all men would know you are his followers by the love you shown one another, I have had the following excuses:
1) People don't recognize our Christ-like love because it is tough love, like discipling a child. (So all men will know you by the love you show others - they just won't recognize it as love?)
2) Following God's commands alone is showing our love. (Is there a verse that quotes, "If a person is hungry, you must feed them"?, because that is what he says to the sheep. Or was he thanking them for loving their neighbor as themselves, and in so, literally loving Christ? Why does Christ not praise the priest and Levite who follow cleanliness laws before going to temple to such an extreme that they don't help the beaten man that the Samaritan does?
3) You mean by loving your neighbor, you want to hold their hand all the way to hell. (Love, defined by this person, is the same as being so permissible as to lose their soul - you know, like humbling yourself before sinners, putting yourself on their level, and then asking if you could eat with them.)

So why is Jesus being removed? The same reason Pharisees wanted him killed - he shows the hallowness of their holiness. He exposes their hypocrisy of pointing out the speck in an other's eye when you have a log in your own. He humbles those who exalt themselves before others in the name of God to ferl superior. Like Simon, he forces peopke to face the truth, that the sinner they condemn may show more faith, and more love than they ever have, because they are whitewashed tombs.

I remember reading an opinion piece where a pastor spoke to his congregation about considering allowing GLBT people to come to their services. An elderly woman approached him and said she strongly disagreed with him. He said, "If Jesus stood at the door, do you believe he would turn them away, or open the door widely, and welcome the person in?" She said, "well, Jesus would probably let them in....but he would be wrong!"

I don't condemn her. I can empathize with her. She's human, and sometimes we fall back on our humanness, and not the divine soul we were made to be. There was a time when it was easier to point to others, brand them as sinners, and condemn them to hell. One could find Scripture to back your opinion up, without prayer to the Spirit for guidance, without the research of translation and context that challenged your belief.

Christ was like that with his disciples He challenged their justification for revenge of an eye for an eye, with daring them to turn the other cheek. He challenged their guess of how many times one could forgive their neighbor from 7 to 70x7, forgive others the same amount of times you wish to be forgiven from the Father. We live in a time that, as Archie Bunker laments, Girls were girls and men were men, to being aware of transgendered people or those who identify as nonbinary, or even inter-sexed. For those who believe that the people of Genesis held the same knowledge as we do today, it challenges their faith in the bible. It doesn't for me. To expect the same understanding of science is to expect my knowledge as a child to be the same as my understandings 50 years later.

"Tough love" is actually following Christ - to love not just your friends but also your enemies. That's hard, and so we pray for divine love. It's tough to stand up for your Muslim neighbor's right of Freedom of religion to someone in your congregation unfairly stereotyping and making false accusations of someone they have never met. It's tough to feel empathy for a community that yours may have oppressed for 100s of years, and speak out against police brutality and unlawful murder by protesting witj Black Lives Matter when your friends say, "Don't all lives matter? Besides, he was committing a crime," as if passing the death penalty for, well today it is alleged forgery, is acceptable.

So they opt for the easy love - Angry Sky God of the Old Testament who would kill you for looking at him sideways. They are the son that stayed that seems angry the Prodigal Son returned, wanting to know why he gets a party and you don't. It is easy to think other people are bad, condemn others, but tough to admit our own shortcomings, change our own behavior, or pray to have our hearts transformed. It is tough to admit that as a Christian, I am not holier than anyone, not more loved than the nonbeliever, not on better terms with God because I pray often, have some VIP status. It's tough to humble myself before others, to be a gracious servant to mankind. It's tough to challenge long held beliefs that women are property of men, that women are lesser than men, or that women shouldn't even speak in church, and to come to an understanding that God speaks to and through each of us, and calls women, despite what Paul says.

But most of all, it is tough to love our neighbor as ourselves in a US culture that teaches competition rather than community, to serve self first, using your temple as a billboard that brags about the money you overpaid for a t-shirt to show your worth is what you own. Christ calls for a radical departure, to care for others as if they were Christ himself, to forgive as you are forgiven, to give love, not because it is earned, but as a way of thanking God for loving you by grace alone.

That's tough love, and above all things, what we should be praying for.
 
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I just feel like, for instance, through Church services, and any other forum of Christanity, that Jesus is slowly being forgotten. I just feel like Jesus is being watered down a lot. Can't just be me?

Every church I've been to my entire life emphasizes the importance of Jesus, so I don't think he's being watered down in the Church, but he is slowly being removed from Christianity by the general public. This is because Satan has been very effective in spreading the lie of "you just need to be a good person". Many people who identify as Christians, but could care less about keeping God's commandments, view Jesus as just a guy who lived a good life and loved everyone and use that as an excuse to satisfy their sinful nature in any way they please.

Want to practice homosexuality, get an abortion, or have sex with multiple partners? Well, Jesus taught about love and unity, so go right ahead!

That's often the defense you will hear when debating people with this mindset (on these issues and many others) and it is the most dangerous position to hold. The term used in James Ch. 2 is "dead faith". Jesus himself described it in Matthew 15:8 as "These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me." Those who truly believe in Jesus and in his word will bear spiritual fruit. Their actions and lives will reflect God's word. They will be self-disciplined and will not use "God is love" to justify their refusal to give up their sinful lifestyles. They will not deny the divinity of Jesus Christ as God's only begotten son.
 
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I just feel like, for instance, through Church services, and any other forum of Christanity, that Jesus is slowly being forgotten. I just feel like Jesus is being watered down a lot. Can't just be me?

Most books in the bible never mention the name of Jesus and yet He is there in them.
 
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Every church I've been to my entire life emphasizes the importance of Jesus, so I don't think he's being watered down in the Church, but he is slowly being removed from Christianity by the general public. This is because Satan has been very effective in spreading the lie of "you just need to be a good person". Many people who identify as Christians, but could care less about keeping God's commandments, view Jesus as just a guy who lived a good life and loved everyone and use that as an excuse to satisfy their sinful nature in any way they please.

Want to practice homosexuality, get an abortion, or have sex with multiple partners? Well, Jesus taught about love and unity, so go right ahead!

That's often the defense you will hear when debating people with this mindset (on these issues and many others) and it is the most dangerous position to hold. The term used in James Ch. 2 is "dead faith". Jesus himself described it in Matthew 15:8 as "These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me." Those who truly believe in Jesus and in his word will bear spiritual fruit. Their actions and lives will reflect God's word. They will self-disciplined and will not use "God is love" to justify their refusal to give up their sinful lifestyles. They will not deny the divinity of Jesus Christ as God's only begotten son.

yes, i see this as well. makes me sad
 
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I just feel like, for instance, through Church services, and any other forum of Christanity, that Jesus is slowly being forgotten. I just feel like Jesus is being watered down a lot. Can't just be me?
I agree and it's tragic because who are we without Him?
 
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There are some really amazing replies in here. For some reason, I can't load all of the replies (they do come up later thought_ and it's difficult for myself to reply to thers because there are some glitches on this website, so I want to apologize to those I didn't reply to, especially to the person who first responded to my post. I think I am going to try to log on from a different source and see if that helps beause my little laptop is not working too well with this format.
 
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I just feel like, for instance, through Church services, and any other forum of Christanity, that Jesus is slowly being forgotten. I just feel like Jesus is being watered down a lot. Can't just be me?
Your right. Society and its governments are primarily secular nowadays. Secularism has increased in the last few decades as society becomes more self-reliant and materialism and scientism have become a religion in themselves. As technology becomes more prominent it gives humans more power. Individualism places humans as a god above all else.

Humans are dominating the earth and we are seeing this with the destruction of other species and the environment. We tell ourselves this is OK because we believe that we are self-sufficient and capable enough to deal with any problems so we continue along the same path. So the need for God and Jesus becomes redundant. Science dominates education and this is because secular society assumes materialism is the only option. So everyone is indoctrinated to have a materialist worldview.
 
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This is most likely to be tied to the falling away described in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 - "...for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first..." Sin causes us not to want to accept the principles of Jesus Christ and so things are changed to be more "tolerant" and "acceptable" because we have "itching ears" as referenced in 2 Timothy 4:3. This leads to a watering down of the gospel truth that Jesus Christ came to preach to us to save us from our sins.
It’s not fashionable to proclaim Christ in today’s world.
 
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