LDS Brigham Young and His Blood Atonement

He is the way said:

I have already shown how THEY are one in glory and perfection.

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Yah---One God. That is what the bible says.

mmksparbud said:

Yah---One God. That is what the bible says.

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I know there is one Godhead with three individuals or Gods. We also have one government in the United States with many people making up that one government. My point is that people should try to better understand what the Bible is saying.

He is the way said:

I know there is one Godhead with three individuals or Gods. We also have one government in the United States with many people making up that one government. My point is that people should try to better understand what the Bible is saying.

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Yah, esp. the LDS who really have no understanding of it outside of what JS and BY and their prophets say about it.

Jamesone5 said:

The Nicene Creed does NOT call them persons or personages



The Nicene Creed

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We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
Maker of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial
of one Being with the Father.

Through him all things were made.

For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.

On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.

With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified.

He has spoken through the Prophets.

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen

So once again you are making up things we supposedly believe and trying so hard to ignore this verse

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory

Either address this verse or once again prove that Mormonism runs away from truth.

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There is no secrets here? When it says that 'God was manifest in the flesh', it is correctly stated.
For the Church of Jesus Christ that is no problem because we believe each of the 3 is a God.
So in this case God the Son came down to earth and was made flesh, and in his flesh body he manifested or represented what God the Father in heaven looked like. IOW with God the sons own body he was showing the people what God the Father looked like, although He was in heaven.

'Justified in the Spirit'. Yes, Jesus was justified by the Holy Spirit, especially when he was in the Spirit like at the baptism.

'Seen by angels' - of course, no problem.

'Preached among the Gentiles'. Yes, we know that Jesus did preach some of his time among the gentiles, but very little.

'Believed on in the world'. Yes, much of the people of the world believed on Jesus.

'Received up in glory'. Yes, Jesus was received up in glory.

mmksparbud said:

Yah, esp. the LDS who really have no understanding of it outside of what JS and BY and their prophets say about it.

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Where do you think you get your understanding? From different comentaries, from your church leaders, IOW you get your personal slants and biases, we get ours. No difference.

Jamesone5 said:

Anther name for Christ is Emmanuel---meaning "God with us".
Not Christ this Mormon God/Son---- but God Who comes to be with us.

Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

From your own favorite KJV.

Sorry if you have to believe in and worship three Gods.

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What is confusing is that although this is a true name and a true meaning, it does not delineate which God was with us. It just says God.
For people in the Church of Jesus Christ, this is no problem because we believe in 3 Gods, and in context we know which God was born of Mary, it was God the Son, not God the Father or God the Holy Spirit.

It becomes probematic to you because your God is 3 Persons in 1 God. So when the scriptures say God with us, you have to translate that to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit is with us, and the great Triune God was born of Mary.

Now I know you will have a problem with this, but sorry, that is your believe about God. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. If your God is made up of 3 distinct Persons, then all of them existed in the baby body born of Mary. You cannot say well we believe in the great Triune God, but at the birth they were not all in that baby body. Sorry can't choose when they are 1 God and when they are not.

So rather than being sorry, we are glad that we believe in the 3 mighty Gods of Christomdon.
God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Their total unity in regards to their purpose make them 1 God. And we can be one with each other as they are one, if our purpose is the same also. (John 17:20-22)

Peter1000 said:

Where do you think you get your understanding? From different comentaries, from your church leaders, IOW you get your personal slants and biases, we get ours. No difference.

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Sorry, but that is not true---0it is not a personal bias for we go by what the bible says, not church leaders. The bible says One God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Never mentions that God was human before becoming God and certainly never mentions a thing about Grandfathers. It does state, that even as a human He was God--only God can forgive sins and for claiming to do so, the Jews were going to stone Him.
And it is not true that Jesus came to show us what God looked like!!

Peter1000 said:

So in this case God the Son came down to earth and was made flesh, and in his flesh body he manifested or represented what God the Father in heaven looked like.

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He came to show us the character of God, and that we can haver that character, as He overcame the world, so can we. That is the true meaning of the passage:

Joh_14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

How shallow to think that Jesus came to show us the appearance of God, instead of His character!! So blatantly obvious that JS and the rest, have no concept of the true God nor of what He wants of us. Read your bible! Jesus endeavors to show the love of God through all His thoughts and actions. He wants us to emulate Him, not look like Him. We will be changed into glorified, yet human bodies as Jesus now has, but He always was God and remains so---we never were and never will be!!

mmksparbud said:

Yah, esp. the LDS who really have no understanding of it outside of what JS and BY and their prophets say about it.

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I will stick with the Bible.

He is the way said:

I will stick with the Bible.

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That's the point---you do not! You stick with JS and his cohorts' interpretation of it.

mmksparbud said:

That's the point---you do not! You stick with JS and his cohorts' interpretation of it.

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No, I stick with the Bible not the man made beliefs.

Jamesone5 said:

And JS was a man---who died as a coward.

One finger trying to point out when 3 of them are pointing back at a Mormon.

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Fortunately for me the Bible agrees with Joseph Smith. and not man's precepts.

Jamesone5 said:

And then you agree with Joseph Smith and his views on the Bible--see how that works?
Gotta' be a good Mormon and agree with JS---therein lies the deception.


He still was a man in the form of a false prophet.

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No deception at all, the Bible is very clear about how Jesus and the Father are one.

He is the way said:

No, I stick with the Bible not the man made beliefs.

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LOL! If you did, you would not be LDS!

mmksparbud said:

LOL! If you did, you would not be LDS!

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I stick with the Bible because I am a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints.