White supremacists pose as Antifa online, call for violence

SummerMadness · Jun 2, 2020

White supremacists pose as Antifa online, call for violence

A Twitter account that tweeted a call to violence and claimed to be representing the position of "Antifa" was in fact created by a known white supremacist group, Twitter said Monday. The company removed the account.

"This account violated our platform manipulation and spam policy, specifically the creation of fake accounts," a Twitter spokesperson said in a statement. "We took action after the account sent a Tweet inciting violence and broke the Twitter Rules."

Although the account only had a few hundred followers, it is an example of white supremacists seeking to inflame tensions in the United States by posing as left-wing activists online.

redleghunter · Jun 2, 2020

Interesting. Wonder how long it will take to find out who actually did this.

Hammster · Jun 2, 2020

redleghunter said:
Interesting. Wonder how long it will take to find out who actually did this.

Right. As we can see, it’s easy to make a fake account and pretend to be someone else.

Inkfingers · Jun 2, 2020

Antifa have always called for violence. You find them in every large protest wearing masks and smashing windows.

But all of a sudden its like they don't exist and it's all white supremacists fanning the flames both figuratively and literally (and if you listen to some, it sounds like they are claiming all the looters must be in blackface).

KCfromNC · Jun 2, 2020

Inkfingers said:
Antifa have always called for violence. You find them in every large protest wearing masks and smashing windows.

Interesting claim. Wonder if there's any reason to believe it.

Inkfingers · Jun 2, 2020

KCfromNC said:
Interesting claim. Wonder if there's any reason to believe it.

I like when you people let everyone see what you are.

It makes things so much easier.

KCfromNC · Jun 2, 2020

Inkfingers said:
I like when you people let everyone see what you are.

It makes things so much easier.

Yeah, you caught me. I'm someone who thinks it is a good idea to fact check right-wing spin.

Don't attempt to turn an inability to provide evidence for your claim into some sort of failing on my part. It's just going to make it look like your posts are attempting to change the subject.

Inkfingers · Jun 2, 2020

KCfromNC said:
Yeah, you caught me. I'm someone who thinks it is a good idea to fact check right-wing spin.

Don't attempt to turn an inability to provide evidence for your claim into some sort of failing on my part. It's just going to make it look like your posts are attempting to change the subject.

Your wriggling does not change the fact that you'll only deceive the foolish.

Anyone who's seen the blackmasks in every major protest for the last 20 years knows what your claims are worth.

Evan Jellicoe · Jun 2, 2020

Any "analysis" that concludes that all of the violence was perpetrated by a single category of person is going to be wrong. It is probably fair to conclude that some of the destruction was done by people who are so filled with anger at injustice that they lost their self-control, some was done by people who calculated that there has to be destruction in order to get the system's attention, some was done by outside agitators who want to discredit the genuine protesters, and some was done by people who just wanted to pick up a free TV or some liquor.
Regardless of how much of the motivation was at best misguided or at worst evil, the right response is to address the actual injustice that did occur, and deal with it. When possible, deal with criminal actions on a case-by-case basis, but don't use "they went about it the wrong way" as an excuse to ignore the validity of the protest.

HannahT · Jun 2, 2020

redleghunter said:
Interesting. Wonder how long it will take to find out who actually did this.

It will be a while to see all the different groups that are represented.

Claiming it's just Antifa or White Supremacist is rather naive, but it makes people feel better I guess.

Subduction Zone · Jun 2, 2020

I am sure that not all that advocate violence are antifa, but I disagree with those that claim violence is not part of the antifa movement. I don't know of any antifa protest without some sort of violence. There is no real difference between violence against possessions and against people. Hurting someone's possessions does harm the owner of those possessions.

This one fake does not mean that all violent antifa are fake antifa.

Albion · Jun 2, 2020

In the first place, a Twitter entry is proof of nothing, and certainly not of a plot to have people pretend to be someone other than what they really are when committing crimes!!

Think about it.

Then too, what part of any real "White Supremacist" agenda would be advanced by protesting the death of a black man, by sporting signs that defamed whites, praising Marxist ideas, and/or denouncing America?

HannahT · Jun 2, 2020

Albion said:
Then too, what part of any real "White Supremacist" agenda would be advanced by protesting the death of a black man, by sporting signs that defamed whites, praising Marxist ideas, and/or denouncing America?

I agree it would seem strange when you look at what White Supremacists stand for - why would they be there. Although, people that feed off violence could be anywhere. No doubt Antifa has posed as White Supremacists on Twitter too. Both groups are violent, irrational and evil. So, why this would be news or have any impact on anything is beyond me.

There are plenty of individuals living in neighborhoods that follow twitter, and have read how their neighborhood will be destroyed next - and it happened. You would think that reality would trigger Twitter to mark the posts as: We took action after the account sent a Tweet inciting violence and broke the Twitter Rules.

It didn't. Kind of tells you something about Twitter too.

redleghunter · Jun 2, 2020

Albion said:
In the first place, a Twitter entry is proof of nothing, and certainly not of a plot to have people pretend to be someone other than what they really are when committing crimes!!

Think about it.

Then too, what part of any real "White Supremacist" agenda would be advanced by protesting the death of a black man, by sporting signs that defamed whites, praising Marxist ideas, and/or denouncing America?

A way to look at it. How about this...If these are mostly white nationalists then why are Hollywood elites promising to bail out anyone arrested?

whatbogsends · Jun 2, 2020

Evan Jellicoe said:
Any "analysis" that concludes that all of the violence was perpetrated by a single category of person is going to be wrong. It is probably fair to conclude that some of the destruction was done by people who are so filled with anger at injustice that they lost their self-control, some was done by people who calculated that there has to be destruction in order to get the system's attention, some was done by outside agitators who want to discredit the genuine protesters, and some was done by people who just wanted to pick up a free TV or some liquor.
Regardless of how much of the motivation was at best misguided or at worst evil, the right response is to address the actual injustice that did occur, and deal with it. When possible, deal with criminal actions on a case-by-case basis, but don't use "they went about it the wrong way" as an excuse to ignore the validity of the protest.

Throughout history there has been a significant subset of men that have sought easy answers to make everything fit neatly into their black and white perception of the world. These people buy into false narratives that reaffirm their worldview and have an aversion to critical thought.

As we all can see, there is no shortage of these people who participate in online discussions.

whatbogsends · Jun 2, 2020

Albion said:
In the first place, a Twitter entry is proof of nothing, and certainly not of a plot to have people pretend to be someone other than what they really are when committing crimes!!

Think about it.

Then too, what part of any real "White Supremacist" agenda would be advanced by protesting the death of a black man, by sporting signs that defamed whites, praising Marxist ideas, and/or denouncing America?

Keep clinging to your false paradigm. White supremacists have everything to gain by discrediting the protest movement. If they can turn the perception of a peaceful protest to that of an angry rioting mob, then they can take the focus away from the injustice being protested, and target the riot as the act of injustice.

While certainly not all rioters are provocateurs, neither are they all part of the protest movement.

The IbanezerScrooge · Jun 2, 2020

Albion said:
Then too, what part of any real "White Supremacist" agenda would be advanced by protesting the death of a black man, by sporting signs that defamed whites, praising Marxist ideas, and/or denouncing America?

You can't possibly be that naive. You think white supremicist groups would only go out into these protests and perpetrate violence because they actually agree with the protesters and believe in their cause? No other reason? Say, like a reason that would cause conservatives on a christian forum to have reason to dismiss and denounce the protests out of hand?

C'mon. You're not that naive.

Albion · Jun 2, 2020

The IbanezerScrooge said:
You can't possibly be that naive.

You're correct; I'm not.

Now, let's take a look at your analysis...

No other reason? Say, like a reason that would cause conservatives on a christian forum to have reason to dismiss and denounce the protests out of hand?

That reads like someone who's playing at being naive.

The reason for a conservative to denounce lawlessness, vandalism, hatred, property damage, and all the rest that's involved with these riots is obvious--because all of that is contrary to conservatism! It doesn't matter who is doing it.

Evan Jellicoe · Jun 2, 2020

Albion said:
Then too, what part of any real "White Supremacist" agenda would be advanced by protesting the death of a black man, by sporting signs that defamed whites, praising Marxist ideas, and/or denouncing America?

I admit to being sympathetic to IbanezerScrooge's question. Maybe he and I are both misunderstanding your point. The straight answer to your question is that an actual white supremacist would not want to advance the beliefs that you name, but rather would be seeking to de-legitimize the views of the protestors by only pretending to be one of them. That is obvious, yet it seems as though you are missing it. But it is difficult for me to believe you don't see that. So what point, exactly, are you trying to make with that question? I genuinely don't understand.

KCfromNC · Jun 2, 2020

Inkfingers said:
Your wriggling does not change the fact that you'll only deceive the foolish.

Anyone who's seen the blackmasks in every major protest for the last 20 years knows what your claims are worth.

Oh, look, attempting to make it about me rather than just answering a simple question. Wish I could say I was surprised...

ETA - I mean for all the talk about Antfi recently you'd think there were some actual substance to the claims.

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