klutedavid
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That's a much better post from you, Pacifika. Zeroing in on that release, that liberty from the condemnation of the law. Some good quotations also.
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Matthew 12:31
Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mark 3:28
Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
John 1:29
The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
John 3:18
He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
Romans 8:1
Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Colossians 2:13
When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions.
2 Corinthians 5:19
Namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Hebrews 2:9
Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
Hebrews 8:12
For I will be merciful to their iniquities and I will remember their sins no more.
Hebrews 9:26
But now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
Hebrews 9:28
So Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
Hebrews 10:12
But He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God
Hebrews 10:18
Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.
Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mark 3:28
Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
John 1:29
The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
John 3:18
He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
Romans 8:1
Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Colossians 2:13
When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions.
2 Corinthians 5:19
Namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Hebrews 2:9
Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
Hebrews 8:12
For I will be merciful to their iniquities and I will remember their sins no more.
Hebrews 9:26
But now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
Hebrews 9:28
So Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
Hebrews 10:12
But He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God
Hebrews 10:18
Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.
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klutedavid
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The righteousness that God requires is not a righteousness that we develop by obedience to the law.
The righteousness we have is the righteousness of Christ.
Romans 5:17
For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Romans 10:3
For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
Philippians 3:9
And may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith.
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As we all see, Paul is not speaking of literal “unleavened bread” which was symbolic, but the substance of that which the feast pointed to, which is the “unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.”
This is fulfilled by Christ in us, not by eating literal unleaded bread.
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I am circumcised because my parents had me circumcised by a doctor in the hospital, when I was a baby, not for religious reasons.
The context, is Paul warning full grown men who were being deceived by false brethren who compelling these Christians to become circumcised and keep the law of Moses in order to be saved.
JLB
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True who said that we get our righteousness from the law? If no one said they get their righteousness from the law why are you pretending that they did? What has what you have posted here have to do with my post you are quoting from? - Nothing.
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Here is what you said.
Actually Dave Love is expressed through obedience to the law by a new heart to love...This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN (Post #839)
We are granted, given, gifted, that righteousness of Christ. We do not have a righteousness of our own, not in Christ and that's for sure.
Obeying any part of the law will not make you a righteousness person. You cannot even generate a love of others, no matter how hard you apply yourself.
The righteousness of Christ is all that matters.
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Hmm yep so your taking my post out of context and trying to make it say things that it is not saying. Where does the above or anything I posted anywhere say we get our righteousness by the law? What do you think it means when JESUS says that unless your righteousness exeeds the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees we shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven *MATTHEW 5:20? And how do you think that scripture relates to the rest of my post in context? Did you read the scriptures that where provided in ROMANS 13:8-10; JAMES 2:8-12 and HEBREWS 8:10-12 you left out in part quoting what I said? If you did what do you think those scriptures mean?
Once again where did I ever say obeying Gods' law makes us righteous? If I have never said such things why are you pretending that I have?
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Now taking in context the above and putting everything back in context to what was posted to you what do you think this post means...
Actually Dave Love is expressed through obedience to the law by a new heart to love. (please see ROMANS 13:8-10 and JAMES 2:8-12). This is what the new covenant is about *HEBREWS 8:10-12. That is why JESUS says "On these two commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.
JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.
If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.
RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.
ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.
God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.
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Now what do you think this post in full context means and why?
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You cannot love perfectly, so you are already breaking the "law of love". So keep contradicting yourself thinking you're not under some type of law. You are simply making up your own law in your mind and aren't behaving like Christ did. You should work 7 days a week since you "believe" rest isn't needed and good for the soul, if not then you are being a hypocrite.
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You are so lost on what the Pharisees are about. They invented laws, that's the point. They followed their own oral laws and traditions like the Talmud, loving their own laws but ignoring the commandments of God, hence why he was quoting the commandments to them because they were IGNORING THOSE LAWS. So obey any other law than God's law won't make you righteous. Even if obeying God's laws cannot make us completely righteous doesn't mean we don't do it. You are just like the Pharisees ignoring God's law thinking what you are doing is making You righteous, following your own law. Even if you believe that you aren't. The fact of the matter is YOU ARE FOLLOWING SOME TYPE OF LAW.
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I know what he is saying. Those who have had brit milah, keep Torah and believe in Yeshua are not estranged from Him.
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So if this is true then no one from the old testament ever made it to heaven since they were under the law, according to you.
Coveting is a sin and not love. No matter what twisting of scripture you will do will never change this truth. The holy spirit guides us in this, that's how it's fulfillment of the law. You don't know what the law is. Which is why you are completely confused and claim that coveting is not part of love.
Coveting pulls the heart down into the pit of self-seeking and the muck and mire of envy, slander, adultery, pride, dishonor, murder, thievery, and idolatry. It has rightly been said that when we break any of the first nine commandments, we also break the tenth commandment.
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It was a bride price, among other things..
Hebrews 9:22
Matthew 26:28
Romans 3:24-25
Ephesians 1:7
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That is what the religions of the land preach. But the Scriptures teach something different.
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
We have the Scriptures inspired by a superior God, who knows what HE is saying, and we have "Many" religious men, who call Jesus Lord, Lord, who Jesus Himself says He doesn't know.
How can we know which one we are, given everyone who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, are convinced they are His?
It is a good and prudent question.
God, in His Tender Mercy, tells us how we can know for sure which spirit is directing out footsteps.
Here is just one of many, Inspired by God Scriptures, which tell us how we can know for sure if we are deceived or not.
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
I John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his (The Fathers) commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
But religious men, deceiving and being deceived, are convinced and have convinced "many" that much of the Christ's Walk was worthless Jewish tradition, only created for men of a certain DNA, and to obey Him in these Commandments is not Righteousness.
But if we Listen to Every Word of God, and have Faith in His Word, as opposed to the "other religious voices" in the land, was can over come, just as Jesus did as His Father Commanded, and overcame.
This is the same Dilemma Jesus caused for the Mainstream religions of His Time. He exposed to them that they were deceived, that they were not doing God's Will, but another spirit. How did He know? Because they said they knew God, but they transgressed His Commandments. "You shall know them by their works".
Some men accepted that the God of the Bible is superior to them and they repented and changed. (Cornelius, Nicodemus, Zecharias, etc.) But most just got mad, and they hated the messenger, like Cain did Abel, because it seems their religion and pride is more precious and to be preserved over what God actually instructs.
These parts of the Gospel of Christ are important to talk about, but uncomfortable to "many".
For instance, you are saying if I Love Jesus and strive with all my heart to walk even as He walked, that this is not righteousness. This is wrong as John points out. "he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous."
So now what? Will you accept what John says? Or will you argue and try to justify your own religion?
We know what the Pharisees did, and it didn't work out so well for them. Shall we turn a blind eye to these examples just because the Light they generate exposes a darkness in us?
God forbid!!!!
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Let's keep it brief and as simple as possible.Hmm yep so your taking my post out of context and trying to make it say things that it is not saying. Where does the above or anything I posted anywhere say we get our righteousness by the law? What do you think it means when JESUS says that unless your righteousness exeeds the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees we shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven *MATTHEW 5:20? And how do you think that scripture relates to the rest of my post in context? Did you read the scriptures that where provided in ROMANS 13:8-10; JAMES 2:8-12 and HEBREWS 8:10-12 you left out in part quoting what I said? If you did what do you think those scriptures mean?
Once again where did I ever say obeying Gods' law makes us righteous? If I have never said such things why are you pretending that I have?
...............
Now taking in context the above and putting everything back in context to what was posted to you what do you think this post means...
Actually Dave Love is expressed through obedience to the law by a new heart to love. (please see ROMANS 13:8-10 and JAMES 2:8-12). This is what the new covenant is about *HEBREWS 8:10-12. That is why JESUS says "On these two commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.
JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.
If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.
RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.
ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.
God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.
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Now what do you think this post in full context means and why?
How do we become righteous? How do we exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees?
Here is what you said.
You are misspelling words and using vague phrases.
This is how you spell 'righteous' and this is how you spell 'righteousness'.
The phrase 'God's law' is only used just once in the scripture, Nehemiah 10:29. It is unwise to use this phrase 'God's law' because Nehemiah is referring to the entire law in that verse. Unless of course your referring to the entire law of Moses. I hope not! Your confusing everyone.
Back to what you said in your post.
You said, 'Righteousness comes from Love'.
Where in the scripture does it say that?
Where in the scripture does it say, 'LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW'?
Righteousness is a gift just like love, from above and not from below.
Romans 5:17
For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
I have proven that righteousness is a gift and cannot be earned.
Romans 13:8-10
Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
This verse above says; 'for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law'. Loving your neighbor is a commandment. It does not say that righteousness comes from love.
Here is the commandment to love your neighbor.
Leviticus 19:18
You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the Lord.
As I have said before, not coveting your neighbors oxen does not mean you love your neighbor. If you love your neighbor, then you are not coveting that oxen by default.
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