What happens if we live a Carnal Christian Life ?

Behold · Jun 1, 2020

Our "sin" is on the Cross, it died with Jesus...... He died "for the sin of the world".
We the born again, are the "righteousness of God in Christ"..
This never changes., because WE didnt cause it.....we are MADE by GOD, into, ""the Righteousness of God in Christ.""
God does that, did that, and maintains that, for us... forever. "The GIFT of Righteousness".
Philippians 1:6 (read it).
We are "IN CHRIST">...and there is no sin in Christ..found....as we are IN THERE, and Christ is in us.

So, then,..... what if you backslide, and begin to live a carnal horrible life?
Ok, 5 things can happen, and will.

1st,) you will never be judged in Eternity for any sin, because GOD has already judged CHRIST for them ALL, on the CROSS, on EARTH.

2nd.) Romans 4:8.. Is a blessing for the Born again....>its says that God will never charge you for your sin. And how can He? He has already judged Jesus on the CROSS for them ALL.

3.) Reaping and Sowing is a spiritual Law, that is in progress at all times. It brings one thing.... CONSEQUENCE....So, if you behave badly once, or if you behave badly and stay there, you will harvest a consequence for your DEED. See, what we do is a spiritual SEED, that we plant by DEEDS into the Spiritual Realm. And the end result is CONSEQUENCE.
Your DEEDs are spiritual seeds...... plant GOOD ones, only.

4.) Hebrews 12:6. This will find you no matter if you backslide or try to do your best all the time. God will deal with you, as His Child, but not in Judgment, but in "correction".

5.) Paul says, that if you live in sin, persist, won't stop....wont be corrected...after a time, you will DIE.

So, while there is no "sin" in Christ, and no Judgement for our sin in eternity for the born again believer, there is a lot that can harm you on EARTH, based on you living a CARNAL LIFE.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) · Jun 1, 2020

All what you said is accurate. But by the sound of it you probably don't believe in conditional salvation. But this verse bears repeating:

"For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries."
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There is such a thing as people falling away from the faith.

Behold · Jun 1, 2020

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) said:
All what you said is accurate. But by the sound of it you probably don't believe in conditional salvation. But this verse bears repeating:

"For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries."
-------------------
There is such a thing as people falling away from the faith.

Your bible version is horrible.
No offense, but its a awful.

Now...That verse from Hebrews you chose does not say in the Greek.."if we go on sinning".
It says, if we sin WILLFULLY, there remains no more sacrifice.

Now let me show you, Readers.

If i am talking to unsaved Hebrews.(unsaved Jews), and im in Hebrews Chapter 4 and 6 doing it..
And im the Apostle Paul. And ive let them taste the "heavenly GIFT".- "signs of an apostle", and i have preached to these unbelieving HEBREWS, the Gospel, and explained that Jesus is their MESSIAH, and they continue to reject Him..I then say..."you are crucifying Jesus AFRESH", means...you are nailing Him back up on the Cross with your NAILS OF UNBELIEF, just like your FATHER's did !!!..... And i tell them, .. to do this, is to stomp on the Blood of Jesus...... and finally i tell them......LISTEN !! IF YOU REJECT YOUR MESSIAH, WILLFULLY, BY SINNING THIS SIN OF CHRIST REJECTION - WILLFULLY....there remains no more sacrifice for your sin..=.because Christ can't forgive A CHRIST REJECTOR. (OR A GROUP OF HEBREW CHRIST REJECTORS.}

Now, go to Acts, Chapter 28, and read the last 10 verses.
Its the same thing.
You will find Paul preaching the Gospel to HEBREWS (jews) who reject it, and he tells them....>"ok then, i'll take this message of God's Messiah and Salvation to the GENTILES, and they will HEAR IT">

Junia · Jun 1, 2020

Behold said:
Your bible version is horrible.
No offense, but its a awful.

Now...That verse from Hebrews you chose does not say in the Greek.."if we go on sinning".
It says, if we sin WILLFULLY, there remains no more sacrifice.

Now let me show you, Readers.

If i am talking to unsaved Hebrews.(unsaved Jews), and im in Hebrews Chapter 4 and 6 doing it..
And im the Apostle Paul. And ive let them taste the "heavenly GIFT".- "signs of an apostle", and i have preached to these unbelieving HEBREWS, the Gospel, and explained that Jesus is their MESSIAH, and they continue to reject Him..I then say..."you are crucifying Jesus AFRESH", means...you are nailing Him back up on the Cross with your NAILS OF UNBELIEF, just like your FATHER's did !!!..... And i tell them, .. to do this, is to stomp on the Blood of Jesus...... and finally i tell them......LISTEN !! IF YOU REJECT YOUR MESSIAH, WILLFULLY, BY SINNING THIS SIN OF CHRIST REJECTION - WILLFULLY....there remains no more sacrifice for your sin..=.because Christ can't forgive A CHRIST REJECTOR. (OR A GROUP OF HEBREW CHRIST REJECTORS.}

Now, go to Acts, Chapter 28, and read the last 10 verses.
Its the same thing.
You will find Paul preaching the Gospel to HEBREWS (jews) who reject it, and he tells them....>"ok then, i'll take this message of God's Messiah and Salvation to the GENTILES, and they will HEAR IT">

this fills my heart with fear and trembling.....

Sabertooth · Jun 1, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
this fills my heart with fear and trembling...

Per other scriptures, it means if we knowingly continue in sin, never repenting [1 John 1:9].

Junia · Jun 1, 2020

Sabertooth said:
Per other scriptures, it means if we knowingly continue in sin, never repenting [1 John 1:9].

if i were to repent right now and not sin ever again would God take me back

Of the Kingdom · Jun 1, 2020

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) said:
There is such a thing as people falling away from the faith.

How can it be? "No one can take them out of [Jesus'] hand."

To fall away, one would need to completely lose their faith. How is this possible? It would have to be our own, deliberate and pre-meditated act. While considering it, we would know that Jesus is Lord (actually both Adonai and Yahweh).

We can be tempted to sin, but I'm pretty sure we can't *directly* be tempted to lose our faith. "Either studying the Bible will keep you from sin, or sin will keep you from studying the Bible".

Only repeated, unrepentant, deliberate and with malice aforethought sin can possibly cause us to want to not believe anymore.

I am pretty sure losing one's faith is not a practical risk for the committed Christian who is seeking to honor God.

Is loss of faith a real possibility for some foolish enough to allow themselves to be dragged through the mud of carelessness? I dare not say. Surely many who claim to be slackers in God's kingdom are actually not, and never were, His sheep. Surely some who appear to "fall away" do appear to have been His sheep.

God respects free will; He also does not desire to lose any sheep. If He does "lose" any, He knew at the moment of their "salvation" that they would eventually be lost.

It is not our place to dictate to God that He can never allow anyone to fall away. It is not our place to dictate to God that He must allow some people to fall away. Not even those awful, miserable excuses for Christians over there.

Sabertooth · Jun 1, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
if i were to repent right now and not sin ever again would God take me back

Why are you asking me?
Why don't you ask the Bible verse that I gave you?

God wants you to choose not to sin where you are able to do so. Have you ever robbed a bank before? If not, continue not robbing banks.

If you would sin because of bad habits, erroneous thinking, foolishness, etc., resist as best you can and 1 John 1:9 when you need to. That is how the Holy Spirit trains us. He does not hate us for being spiritually clumsy. He expects it to a certain extent. It is only a problem if you embrace sin and refuse to repent.

Junia · Jun 1, 2020

Of the Kingdom said:
How can it be? "No one can take them out of [Jesus'] hand."

To fall away, one would need to completely lose their faith. How is this possible? It would have to be our own, deliberate and pre-meditated act. While considering it, we would know that Jesus is Lord (actually both Adonai and Yahweh).

We can be tempted to sin, but I'm pretty sure we can't *directly* be tempted to lose our faith. "Either studying the Bible will keep you from sin, or sin will keep you from studying the Bible".

Only repeated, unrepentant, deliberate and with malice aforethought sin can possibly cause us to want to not believe anymore.

I am pretty sure losing one's faith is not a practical risk for the committed Christian who is seeking to honor God.

Is loss of faith a real possibility for some foolish enough to allow themselves to be dragged through the mud of carelessness? I dare not say. Surely many who claim to be slackers in God's kingdom are actually not, and never were, His sheep. Surely some who appear to "fall away" do appear to have been His sheep.

God respects free will; He also does not desire to lose any sheep. If He does "lose" any, He knew at the moment of their "salvation" that they would eventually be lost.

It is not our place to dictate to God that He can never allow anyone to fall away. It is not our place to dictate to God that He must allow some people to fall away. Not even those awful, miserable excuses for Christians over there.

He knows

He knew. oh how i wish He had intervened. so many of us out there. lost.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) · Jun 1, 2020

Of the Kingdom said:
How can it be? "No one can take them out of [Jesus'] hand."

My point would be exactly what you said. They would have to willingly walk away from God on their own accord and not come back.

Junia · Jun 1, 2020

Sabertooth said:
Why are you asking me?
Why don't you ask the Bible verse that I gave you?

God wants you to choose not to sin where you are able to do so. Have you ever robbed a bank before? If not, continue not robbing banks.

If you would sin because of bad habits, erroneous thinking, foolishness, etc., resist as best you can and 1 John 1:9 when you need to. That is how the Holy Spirit trains us. He does not hate us for being spiritually clumsy. He expects it to a certain extent. It is only a problem if you embrace sin and refuse to repent.

yes i read te Bible verse. i just wondered whether there was a point of no return some christians say there is, some say there is not.

Sabertooth · Jun 1, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
yes i read te Bible verse. i just wondered whether there was a point of no return some christians say there is, some say there is not.

Yes, there is a point of no return, but

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just

to forgive us our sins and
to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9 NKJV

If you keep turning back to Him, you will never, ever approach that point.
And you cannot "accidentally" arrive at that point.
Nor will the lies & accusations emanating from your OCD bring you to that point.

Junia · Jun 1, 2020

Sabertooth said:
Yes, there is a point of no return, but

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just

to forgive us our sins and

to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9 NKJV

If you keep turning back to Him, you will never, ever approach that point.
And you cannot "accidentally" arrive at that point.
Nor will the lies & accusations emanating from your OCD bring you to that point.

good. i have decided to come back to God. right now

Of the Kingdom · Jun 1, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
i just wondered whether there was a point of no return some christians say there is, some say there is not.

God seems to have left it as a riddle. David is an example of not being lost. I'm sure Nathan thought "Thou art the man" might be his last words, but God knew how to restore David when He gave Nathan those words. Saul is an example of being lost. Not saying if he was permanently lost or not, but the example is loss of both Saul's kingdom and his life. He was confronted twice, and failed to repent both times.

Blood Bought 1953 · Jun 1, 2020

Behold said:
Our "sin" is on the Cross, it died with Jesus...... He died "for the sin of the world".
We the born again, are the "righteousness of God in Christ"..
This never changes., because WE didnt cause it.....we are MADE by GOD, into, ""the Righteousness of God in Christ.""
God does that, did that, and maintains that, for us... forever. "The GIFT of Righteousness".
Philippians 1:6 (read it).
We are "IN CHRIST">...and there is no sin in Christ..found....as we are IN THERE, and Christ is in us.

So, then,..... what if you backslide, and begin to live a carnal horrible life?
Ok, 5 things can happen, and will.

1st,) you will never be judged in Eternity for any sin, because GOD has already judged CHRIST for them ALL, on the CROSS, on EARTH.

2nd.) Romans 4:8.. Is a blessing for the Born again....>its says that God will never charge you for your sin. And how can He? He has already judged Jesus on the CROSS for them ALL.

3.) Reaping and Sowing is a spiritual Law, that is in progress at all times. It brings one thing.... CONSEQUENCE....So, if you behave badly once, or if you behave badly and stay there, you will harvest a consequence for your DEED. See, what we do is a spiritual SEED, that we plant by DEEDS into the Spiritual Realm. And the end result is CONSEQUENCE.
Your DEEDs are spiritual seeds...... plant GOOD ones, only.

4.) Hebrews 12:6. This will find you no matter if you backslide or try to do your best all the time. God will deal with you, as His Child, but not in Judgment, but in "correction".

5.) Paul says, that if you live in sin, persist, won't stop....wont be corrected...after a time, you will DIE.

So, while there is no "sin" in Christ, and no Judgement for our sin in eternity for the born again believer, there is a lot that can harm you on EARTH, based on you living a CARNAL LIFE.

Don’t I Know you from somewhere....lol....I guess we both discovered that a certain place wasn’t “ The only game in town”......

Palmfever · Jun 2, 2020

Of the Kingdom said:
How can it be? "No one can take them out of [Jesus'] hand."

To fall away, one would need to completely lose their faith. How is this possible? It would have to be our own, deliberate and pre-meditated act. While considering it, we would know that Jesus is Lord (actually both Adonai and Yahweh).

We can be tempted to sin, but I'm pretty sure we can't *directly* be tempted to lose our faith. "Either studying the Bible will keep you from sin, or sin will keep you from studying the Bible".

Only repeated, unrepentant, deliberate and with malice aforethought sin can possibly cause us to want to not believe anymore.

I am pretty sure losing one's faith is not a practical risk for the committed Christian who is seeking to honor God.

Is loss of faith a real possibility for some foolish enough to allow themselves to be dragged through the mud of carelessness? I dare not say. Surely many who claim to be slackers in God's kingdom are actually not, and never were, His sheep. Surely some who appear to "fall away" do appear to have been His sheep.

God respects free will; He also does not desire to lose any sheep. If He does "lose" any, He knew at the moment of their "salvation" that they would eventually be lost.

It is not our place to dictate to God that He can never allow anyone to fall away. It is not our place to dictate to God that He must allow some people to fall away. Not even those awful, miserable excuses for Christians over there.

It is true, He will never let go... but you can.

Behold · Jun 2, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
this fills my heart with fear and trembling.....

Shalom

Behold · Jun 2, 2020

Blood Bought 1953 said:
Don’t I Know you from somewhere....lol....I guess we both discovered that a certain place wasn’t “ The only game in town”......

Like you, "enough".

pescador · Jun 2, 2020

Behold said:
Your bible version is horrible.
No offense, but its a awful.

Now...That verse from Hebrews you chose does not say in the Greek.."if we go on sinning".
It says, if we sin WILLFULLY, there remains no more sacrifice.

Now let me show you, Readers.

If i am talking to unsaved Hebrews.(unsaved Jews), and im in Hebrews Chapter 4 and 6 doing it..
And im the Apostle Paul. And ive let them taste the "heavenly GIFT".- "signs of an apostle", and i have preached to these unbelieving HEBREWS, the Gospel, and explained that Jesus is their MESSIAH, and they continue to reject Him..I then say..."you are crucifying Jesus AFRESH", means...you are nailing Him back up on the Cross with your NAILS OF UNBELIEF, just like your FATHER's did !!!..... And i tell them, .. to do this, is to stomp on the Blood of Jesus...... and finally i tell them......LISTEN !! IF YOU REJECT YOUR MESSIAH, WILLFULLY, BY SINNING THIS SIN OF CHRIST REJECTION - WILLFULLY....there remains no more sacrifice for your sin..=.because Christ can't forgive A CHRIST REJECTOR. (OR A GROUP OF HEBREW CHRIST REJECTORS.}

Now, go to Acts, Chapter 28, and read the last 10 verses.
Its the same thing.
You will find Paul preaching the Gospel to HEBREWS (jews) who reject it, and he tells them....>"ok then, i'll take this message of God's Messiah and Salvation to the GENTILES, and they will HEAR IT">

You are replying to a post that says, "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries." by saying "Your bible version is horrible. No offense, but its a awful. Now...That verse from Hebrews you chose does not say in the Greek.."if we go on sinning". It says, if we sin WILLFULLY, there remains no more sacrifice."

Are you okay??

pescador · Jun 2, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
if i were to repent right now and not sin ever again would God take me back

What basis is there for you to say that God has rejected you? If it's not too personal...

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