THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

a-lily-of-peace · Jun 1, 2020

ClementofA said:
First, i didn't say it, the quote did.

Secondly, the dictionary definition you quote says nothing about “thoroughly and completely”.

Thirdly, obviously the definition that applies to my quote is # 3. So the other definitions are irrelevant. Capiche?

That quote is reckless. Imagine if the enemy wants that thought to shape your mind. “God doesn’t love you, he adores you.”

Be careful. Like I said, that isn’t what you intended to say. But it is one meaning of what you did actually say.

There’s absolutely no reason to shift the meaning of “adore” from what humans do to God into what God does to humans, please believe that, it’s not good and has no benefit.

ClementofA · Jun 1, 2020

a-lily-in-the-valley said:
That quote is reckless. Imagine if the enemy wants that thought to shape your mind. “God doesn’t love you, he adores you.”

Be careful. Like I said, that isn’t what you intended to say. But it is one meaning of what you did actually say.

There’s absolutely no reason to shift the meaning of “adore” from what humans do to God into what God does to humans, please believe that, it’s not good and has no benefit.

I'd find it quite surprising if anyone took it the way you're suggesting. Maybe someone who is already mentally deranged or insane & having crazy thoughts no matter what he hears or reads.

ClementofA · Jun 1, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
God's promises are conditional on believing and following God's Word. No one receives God's promises if they do not believe and follow his Word (scripture support here).

Can someone who is doing what John 7:17 says be deceived by false doctrine. Yes or no?

If anyone desires to do His will, he will know concerning the teaching, whether it is from God, or I speak from Myself. (Jn.7:17).

a-lily-of-peace · Jun 1, 2020

ClementofA said:
I'd find it quite surprising if anyone took it the way you're suggesting. Maybe someone who is already mentally deranged or insane & having crazy thoughts no matter what he hears or reads.

I hope in the end you aren’t terribly surprised by anything.

ClementofA · Jun 1, 2020

a-lily-in-the-valley said:
I hope in the end you aren’t terribly surprised by anything.

a-lily-of-peace · Jun 1, 2020

And be not fashioned according to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

(Romans 12:2, ASV)

a-lily-of-peace · Jun 1, 2020

ps I have to go to work now

and I actually did get thrown off by seeing “adore” there because of what it means in a religious context

shalom

ClementofA · Jun 1, 2020

ClementofA said:
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Those examples point out the every day common usage of the word "adore".

What sane person means by the word in such contexts that they are worshiping or saying prayers to their child, dog, cat, etc?

This is a Christian forum. It would be blasphemy to suggest we are worshiped by God.

LoveGodsWord · Jun 1, 2020

ClementofA said:
Can someone who is doing what John 7:17 says be deceived by false doctrine. Yes or no?

If anyone desires to do His will, he will know concerning the teaching, whether it is from God, or I speak from Myself. (Jn.7:17).

JOHN 7:17 is a promise from God and all of God's promises are conditional on believing and following God's Word. No one receives God's promises if they do not believe and follow his Word (scripture support here). JOHN 7:17 is conditional on continuing to believe and follow Gods' Word (see JOHN 8:31-36). What is it you did not understand?

ClementofA · Jun 1, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
JOHN 7:17 is a promise from God and all of God's promises are conditional on believing and following God's Word. No one receives God's promises if they do not believe and follow his Word (scripture support here). JOHN 7:17 is conditional on continuing to believe and follow Gods' Word (see JOHN 8:31-36). What is it you did not understand?

I can see that. So what is your answer to the question:

Can someone who is doing what John 7:17 says be deceived by false doctrine. Yes or no?

If anyone desires to do His will, he will know concerning the teaching, whether it is from God, or I speak from Myself. (Jn.7:17).

FineLinen · Jun 1, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello dear Fine nice to see you. What nonsense are you referring to dear friend? Does "UNIVERALISM" not teach that the UNREPENTANT WICKED will get a second chance...

You are failing to pay attention! !

There is no (ZERO) chance in Abba's world.

Of course, instead of giving the 2 passages that use the word "chance", you go gobbing along with your wearisome blather.

Seven Large Myths

7 Myths About Universalism

FineLinen · Jun 1, 2020

Man’s failure or God’s success: which will stand?

“The teaching of the ultimate exaltation of Jesus Christ and the ultimate reconciliation of all men unto Him, make God’s judgments consistent with His plan of creation. God’s judgments become understandable, purposeful, and constructive without violating any aspect of justice, truth, or mercy.

If just one person were condemned to eternal torment, then God’s purpose in creation would have been defeated.

God’s judgments are redemptive.

The end result of God’s judgments is, ‘That in the Name of Jesus every knee will bow, celestial, terrestrial, and subterranean, and every tongue will acclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God the Father (Phil. 2:10,11). God planned for the maturity of the times and the climax of the ages to unify all things and head them up and consummate them in Christ, both in the heavens, and on earth (Eph. 1:10). Amplified Bible

-Lee Salisbury-

ClementofA · Jun 1, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Your response here...

Nope your just repeating the same old cut and paste content already addressed many times now. Your claims were proven false earlier as you are leaving out the scripture contexts in your interpretation of LAMENTATION 3. I only supplied the context you left out of your claims that LAMENTATIONS 3 is talking about God reconciling the unrepentant wicked when it was talking about repentant ISRAEL being reconcilled to God. *LAMENTATIONS 3:26-42. You do know that Lamentations is over the destruction of Jerusalem by Babylon right?

Yes this was the problem. You were cherry picking scripture taken out of context to claim that LAMENTATIONS 3 is talking about God reconcilling the unrepentant wicked after the 2nd coming. When you add the context back from the scriptures and shrrounding chapters it proves your interpretation of these scriptures is in error as the chapter is talking about ISRAEL that departed God, the destruction of Jerusalem and ISRAEL in affliction and repentance returning back to God and being reconcilled to God through repentance. It is not talking about the unrepentant wicked.

Context matters dear friend in scripture interpretation. Your claim by not consideration context is that the scriptures are in reference to the unrepentant wicked being reconciled to God. This is shown when the context and rest of the scriptures you have not considered are added which show that it is repentant ISRAEL being reconciled to God not the unrepentant wicked. Your spreading misinformation and are in error by not considering scripture context. This has been shown not only here but all to the majority of the scriptures you have used to try and support the teachings of "Universalism" as well as your understanding of the Greek. The scriptures do not say what you are claiming they are. You have ignored context again that has lead to you to misapplication of the scriptures. Context matters dear friend. You not considering it has led you to an misinterpretatin of scripture and spreading false information. I am sorry we will have to agree to disagree. There is no reconcilliation to God without repentance and turning back to God. Why do you think Jerusalem was destroyed? The bible does not teach what you or Universalism is trying to teach here. Context matters and you do not provide any in your application of scripture.

Hope this is helpful

Here's what you continually delete, ignore & fail to address, and which shows what you are doing with Lamentations 3:31-33 & Eccl.1:13, etc:

If i write a book titled the "salvation of humanity" and it has one sentence stating "the demons will be saved", you err to argue that the context is about the "salvation of humanity" not "demons will be saved", so the statement that "demons will be saved" is really not having any "application" to "demons will be saved", but is actually about the "salvation of humanity".

That's exactly what you've done with several passages i've quoted.

LoveGodsWord · Jun 1, 2020

ClementofA said:
I can see that. So what is your answer to the question: Can someone who is doing what John 7:17 says be deceived by false doctrine. Yes or no? If anyone desires to do His will, he will know concerning the teaching, whether it is from God, or I speak from Myself. (Jn.7:17).

Let me tell you plainly. God's Word says you will seek me and find me when you shall search for me with all your heart *JEREMIAH 29:13. JESUS is the living Word of God *JOHN 1:1-4; 14. It is through the Word of God then that we must seek to find God asking him to be our guide and teacher *JOHN 14:26; JOHN 16:13. God also says "cursed is every man that trusts in man and makes flesh his arm *JEREMIAH 17:5. If someone is seeking to know the truth of God's Word but not seeking God for his truth through his Word but decides to seek God's truth through the teachings of men then they are not believing and following Gods' Word, therefore, do not receive God's promise of JOHN 7:17. However, if someone is seeking God to know his truth and seeking him through his Word and asking God's guidence through his Spirit and claiming his promises by faith *JOHN 14:26 then the conditions of God's promises to know his truth are fulfilled *JOHN 7:17. Even this promise is present tense application to continuing to believe and follow what God's Word says as written in JOHN 8:31-32.

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Jun 1, 2020

FineLinen said:
You are failing to pay attention! !
There is no (ZERO) chance in Abba's world. Of course, instead of giving the 2 passages that use the word "chance" you go gobbing along with your wearsome blather. Seven Large Myths

Hello dear Fine nice to see you. I am not failing at anything dear friend? I have only shared Gods' Word. What is it you do not believe? Does "UNIVERALISM" not teach that the UNREPENTANT WICKED will get a second chance from the gambling lady of second chances after the second coming? If this is the case why would this not be an excuse for people to turn away from God and their sins today? The only nonsense is in believing that the unrepentant wicked get a second chance after the second coming when there reward is the second death and no second chances for rejecting the gift of Gods' dear son and counting the blood of the covenant an unholy thing *REVELATION 21:8; HEBREWS 10:26-31; 1 THESSALONIANS 1:9.

Hope this helps

LoveGodsWord · Jun 1, 2020

ClementofA said:
Here's what you continually delete, ignore & fail to address, and which shows what you are doing with Lamentations 3:31-33 & Eccl.1:13, etc:

If i write a book titled the "salvation of humanity" and it has one sentence stating "the demons will be saved", you err to argue that the context is about the "salvation of humanity" not "demons will be saved", so the statement that "demons will be saved" is really not having any "application" to "demons will be saved", but is actually about the "salvation of humanity".

That's exactly what you've done with several passages i've quoted.

Nonsense dear friend. I did not delete anything. I only posted the context you were leaving out that proves your interpretation claims that LAMENTATIONS 3 is in reference to the UNREPETANT WICKED being reconcilled to God is false. The scriptures say no such thing. They are in reference to REPENTANT ISRAEL being reconcilled to God. If you read the context you would know this. The context of LAMENTATION 3 you disregard shows your interpretation is in error.

ClementofA · Jun 1, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
God's Word says you will seek me and find me when you shall search for me with all your heart *JEREMIAH 29:13.

Can someone who always does what Jer.29:13 says be deceived and be lost forever? Yes or no?

Jer.29:13 You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.

LoveGodsWord · Jun 1, 2020

ClementofA said:
Can someone always does what Jer.29:13 says be deceived and be lost forever? Yes or no? Jer.29:13 You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.

If we continue to not believe and follow God's Word and continue in known unrepentant sin and do not return to God by believing and following what God's Word says before we die, according to the scriptures, those who reject God and his Word will be a part of the second resurrection of condemnation *JOHN 5:29 that does not receive eternal life JOHN 3:36 and partakes of the second death in the lake of fire *REVELATION 21:7-8

Hope this helps.

a-lily-of-peace · Jun 1, 2020

ClementofA said:
Those examples point out the every day common usage of the word "adore".

What sane person means by the word in such contexts that they are worshiping or saying prayers to their child, dog, cat, etc?

This is a Christian forum. It would be blasphemy to suggest we are worshiped by God.

That’s why I said I didn’t think that’s what you meant. It was just an instant perception of wrongness in it, like even if it’s common use, that’s not what that word really means.

If you use that word in the one meaning, adoration, veneration, worship, it’s actually really powerful to think about.

When I thought that, I adore God, I thought of it like this:

And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself.
(Luke 10:27, ASV)

And like this:

And I saw, and I heard a voice of many angels round about the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
saying with a great voice, Worthy is the Lamb that hath been slain to receive the power, and riches, and wisdom, and might, and honor, and glory, and blessing.
(Revelation 5:11-12, ASV)

How much better is that?

ClementofA · Jun 2, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
As shown earlier the Greek and 27 independent bible translations agree with me. None of these agree with you.

Those same 27 were - WRONG - when they translate aionios as "eternal" at Jude 1:7, so why should you think they got it right anywhere else? Is Sodom still burning today and forever, eternally, or did the fire go out long ago & was finite and temporary, not eternal?

All of the versions listed here saying "eternal" - WRONG!:

Jude 1:7 In like manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, who indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh, are on display as an example of those who sustain the punishment of eternal fire.

Compare other versions w/o "eternal", like YLT, Rotherham, Weymouth, CLV, etc:

7 As Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them in like manner to these committing ultra-prostitution, and coming away after other flesh, are lying before us, a specimen, experiencing the justice of fire eonian.(CLV)

7 As, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, having in like manner to these given themselves over to fornication, and gone away after other kind of flesh, lie exposed as an example, a penalty of age-abiding fire, undergoing. (Ro)

7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, in like manner to these, having given themselves to whoredom, and gone after other flesh, have been set before—an example, of fire age-during, justice suffering. (YLT)

Jude Judas, a slave of Jesus Christ, yet a brother of James, to those who are called, beloved in God the Father, and kept by Jesus Christ:"

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