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Jesus Christ is our master:

(New Testament | Matthew 23:8 - 10)

8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

God the Father is our God:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:6)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

You follow false teachers; your view of God is FALSE. The LORD is God.
 
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I believe in the true Jesus Christ and God the Father of the Bible.

Deuteronomy 6:4, Exodus 20:3.

“People tell us, ‘You don’t believe in one God; you believe in three Gods.’ And the answer is, ‘Yes, we do.’ If that is polytheism then we are.”
Truman Madsen, BYU professor (emeritus), 150-Year- Old Debate: Are Mormons `Really Christian’? San Francisco Chronicle, April 8, 1996

 
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Deuteronomy 6:4, Exodus 20:3.

“People tell us, ‘You don’t believe in one God; you believe in three Gods.’ And the answer is, ‘Yes, we do.’ If that is polytheism then we are.”
Truman Madsen, BYU professor (emeritus), 150-Year- Old Debate: Are Mormons `Really Christian’? San Francisco Chronicle, April 8, 1996
Nothing wrong with believing in polytheism, the Bible is polytheistic.
 
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So the shema is wrong? Or is it not part of the Bible, according to Mormonism?
It is not wrong, for us there is one God, the Father:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:6)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
 
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You cannot believe in both polytheism and the shema. Pick one.
It is possible for those who understand the Bible. The United States has one government, but there are many people in it. It is the same with the Godhead. The Godhead has three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
 
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It is possible for those who understand the Bible.

You clearly don't.

The United States has one government, but there are many people in it. It is the same with the Godhead. The Godhead has three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

You had originally said (post #105) "Nothing wrong with believing in polytheism, the Bible is polytheistic."

The shema is monotheistic, as is traditional Christian theology (Trinitarian Nicene Christianity). Mormonism is neither, so when you make claims about how it's supposedly okay to be a polytheist because the Bible is polytheistic, you need to explain how you reconcile that. It's not a question of "Can I make an analogy to show how something can be one and have many within it", but rather, "How can I have 'many', when the shema says one?", since you claim that your belief is in line with the shema.

Christianity has such an explanation in its own Trinitarian theology as stated in the Nicene-Constantinopolitan creed, but Mormonism, as it is not Trinitarian to begin with, cannot help but violate the shema on purpose (since the entire point is that there are so many gods, right?). Because your gods are 'separate beings' (or whatever the exact phrasing is) who are not one in essence (meaning that there isn't a oneness in their nature, but rather in some sort of outward manifestation of particular aspects of existence which are not unique to the divine -- e.g., as I've read it often from you, love), you cannot be monotheistic. Indeed, it seems that you shouldn't be, according to Mormonism. To your credit, at least you yourself recognize this in your post by openly proclaiming it okay to be a polytheist (if you hadn't, I would question your dedication to Mormon theology), but you cannot make that reconcile with the shema, which binds the Jews to say the exact opposite.

Explain yourself, please. Analogies are fine, but they're not a replacement for explaining the theological details.
 
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You clearly don't.



You had originally said (post #105) "Nothing wrong with believing in polytheism, the Bible is polytheistic."

The shema is monotheistic, as is traditional Christian theology (Trinitarian Nicene Christianity). Mormonism is neither, so when you make claims about how it's supposedly okay to be a polytheist because the Bible is polytheistic, you need to explain how you reconcile that. It's not a question of "Can I make an analogy to show how something can be one and have many within it", but rather, "How can I have 'many', when the shema says one?", since you claim that your belief is in line with the shema.

Christianity has such an explanation in its own Trinitarian theology as stated in the Nicene-Constantinopolitan creed, but Mormonism, as it is not Trinitarian to begin with, cannot help but violate the shema on purpose (since the entire point is that there are so many gods, right?). Because your gods are 'separate beings' (or whatever the exact phrasing is) who are not one in essence (meaning that there isn't a oneness in their nature, but rather in some sort of outward manifestation of particular aspects of existence which are not unique to the divine -- e.g., as I've read it often from you, love), you cannot be monotheistic. Indeed, it seems that you shouldn't be, according to Mormonism. To your credit, at least you yourself recognize this in your post by openly proclaiming it okay to be a polytheist (if you hadn't, I would question your dedication to Mormon theology), but you cannot make that reconcile with the shema, which binds the Jews to say the exact opposite.

Explain yourself, please. Analogies are fine, but they're not a replacement for explaining the theological details.
Well as I see it the shema is from Deuteronomy 6:4-9. I believe what the Bible states, however, we see the meaning of those scriptures differently.
 
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