really heartbroken. just been told i cannot be used by God as am not "pure"

Bruce Leiter · Jun 1, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
I dont want to whine or sounds like i am feeling sorry for myself but if am honest i suppose i am a bit

i am a sincere believer- not a good one, not yet a sin free one but i do have a prophetic calling on my life i am an empath, very spiritually sensitive. i dont count these htings as making me special- we al have gifts, we are all equally loved by God. this is just how God chose to endow me. I could have been gifted with hospitality or preaching or whatever.

I have neurlogical and psychiatric impairments. this is not a whinge because i actually believe my minsitry came about due to these- from these experiences i am able to relate to many people with simialr needs and care for them. so that isnt a tragedy or a probolem. God will heal me in His own good time. i feel no guilt in meantime for being unable to do much for God. i am in a season of rest, due to recent bereavement (6 months ago) and other issues. ok, i feel some guilt but that is the devi. the only valid guilt and shame in life are those that lead to repentence. otherwise it is just self pity and low self esteem, these are not Godly attribues.

what is an issue is that i have been told God cannot use someone liek me because i am not a pure vessel for His honour because i havet ese issues.... buti know God uses people whoa re blind or death, who have MS etc to bless other people.

so why not me? sickness is caused by living in a fallen world and by sin. so my issues are no differentf rom those experienced by Joni Erackson Tada, Jennifer Rees Larcombe (before her healing), Nick Vuljic?? if those people are used by God to bless others why can't i be?

last time i checked God did not have favourites. we are all close to His heart. there are no "special" people. at all. we are of equal worth.

so , i hav ebeen blessed by God so much, He is good to me, so why can He not use me to bless others?

where in the Bible does it say we need to be free of sin, demons or sickness to be used by God? surely God starts using us just as we are and we learn to sin less or be demonised less as we walk with Him???

didnt Jesus say blessed are the poor in spirit?

Yes, you're right. God uses weak people who are repentant to his glory. Read the Book of Judges and 2 Corinthians 12:1-10 for examples. I was just beginning my ministry, but I experienced 7 years of major depression that spiraled downward and resulted in three kinds of chronic physical pain. God removed my depression through lamenting the way David and Job did, but he left my pain, which I lamented. God gave me peace but left my pain as my thorn in the flesh that he used to humble me. My peace about my pain has lasted 2 decades; my peace about my anger that caused my depression, more than 3 decades. You're on my prayer list because I believe that we'll never be free of sin this side of heaven. Why? We're always saddles with this old body of flesh and our sinful natures. God just teaches us more and more about our sinful-nature qualities. May God bless you as you carry your thorn in the flesh to his victory in ministry.

Junia · Jun 1, 2020

Bruce Leiter said:
Yes, you're right. God uses weak people who are repentant to his glory. Read the Book of Judges and 2 Corinthians 12:1-10 for examples. I was just beginning my ministry, but I experienced 7 years of major depression that spiraled downward and resulted in three kinds of chronic physical pain. God removed my depression through lamenting the way David and Job did, but he left my pain, which I lamented. God gave me peace but left my pain as my thorn in the flesh that he used to humble me. My peace about my pain has lasted 2 decades; my peace about my anger that caused my depression, more than 3 decades. You're on my prayer list because I believe that we'll never be free of sin this side of heaven. Why? We're always saddles with this old body of flesh and our sinful natures. God just teaches us more and more about our sinful-nature qualities. May God bless you as you carry your thorn in the flesh to his victory in ministry.

i do have a testimony of being healed of M.E. (chronic fatigue syndrome) after 8 years of being bound by it.....but it was a gradual healing. stsrted at a chrisitan meeting when i was prayed for... i cousl stand up. and the fog in my brain cleared....but took a year for healing to become complete. so not really a miracle healing. not anythign impressive....

Sketcher · Jun 1, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
I dont want to whine or sounds like i am feeling sorry for myself but if am honest i suppose i am a bit

i am a sincere believer- not a good one, not yet a sin free one but i do have a prophetic calling on my life i am an empath, very spiritually sensitive. i dont count these htings as making me special- we al have gifts, we are all equally loved by God. this is just how God chose to endow me. I could have been gifted with hospitality or preaching or whatever.

I have neurlogical and psychiatric impairments. this is not a whinge because i actually believe my minsitry came about due to these- from these experiences i am able to relate to many people with simialr needs and care for them. so that isnt a tragedy or a probolem. God will heal me in His own good time. i feel no guilt in meantime for being unable to do much for God. i am in a season of rest, due to recent bereavement (6 months ago) and other issues. ok, i feel some guilt but that is the devi. the only valid guilt and shame in life are those that lead to repentence. otherwise it is just self pity and low self esteem, these are not Godly attribues.

what is an issue is that i have been told God cannot use someone liek me because i am not a pure vessel for His honour because i havet ese issues.... buti know God uses people whoa re blind or death, who have MS etc to bless other people.

so why not me? sickness is caused by living in a fallen world and by sin. so my issues are no differentf rom those experienced by Joni Erackson Tada, Jennifer Rees Larcombe (before her healing), Nick Vuljic?? if those people are used by God to bless others why can't i be?

last time i checked God did not have favourites. we are all close to His heart. there are no "special" people. at all. we are of equal worth.

so , i hav ebeen blessed by God so much, He is good to me, so why can He not use me to bless others?

where in the Bible does it say we need to be free of sin, demons or sickness to be used by God? surely God starts using us just as we are and we learn to sin less or be demonised less as we walk with Him???

didnt Jesus say blessed are the poor in spirit?

God can use you in some ways. Which ways are up to him.

Concerning prophesy: Beware of speaking presumptuously. When people have psychiatric or psychological problems, it is possible that they think they are hearing God, but they are not. You need to be able to discern God's voice from the voices of your own worries, insecurities, or imagination.

Concerning ANY gift: Beware of the tendency or temptation to hurt people or put yourself above them in any way, no matter how minor. That is not love.

You don't want to hurt people with your ministry. Train your mind and your spirit so that you won't when you believe you are doing the will of God.

2 Timothy 1:7, James 1:5-8, 1 Timothy 4:7-8, Romans 12:1-2, 1 Corinthians 8:1-2, 1 Corinthians 13:1-8

Palmfever · Jun 1, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
I dont want to whine or sounds like i am feeling sorry for myself but if am honest i suppose i am a bit

i am a sincere believer- not a good one, not yet a sin free one but i do have a prophetic calling on my life i am an empath, very spiritually sensitive. i dont count these htings as making me special- we al have gifts, we are all equally loved by God. this is just how God chose to endow me. I could have been gifted with hospitality or preaching or whatever.

I have neurlogical and psychiatric impairments. this is not a whinge because i actually believe my minsitry came about due to these- from these experiences i am able to relate to many people with simialr needs and care for them. so that isnt a tragedy or a probolem. God will heal me in His own good time. i feel no guilt in meantime for being unable to do much for God. i am in a season of rest, due to recent bereavement (6 months ago) and other issues. ok, i feel some guilt but that is the devi. the only valid guilt and shame in life are those that lead to repentence. otherwise it is just self pity and low self esteem, these are not Godly attribues.

what is an issue is that i have been told God cannot use someone liek me because i am not a pure vessel for His honour because i havet ese issues.... buti know God uses people whoa re blind or death, who have MS etc to bless other people.

so why not me? sickness is caused by living in a fallen world and by sin. so my issues are no differentf rom those experienced by Joni Erackson Tada, Jennifer Rees Larcombe (before her healing), Nick Vuljic?? if those people are used by God to bless others why can't i be?

last time i checked God did not have favourites. we are all close to His heart. there are no "special" people. at all. we are of equal worth.

so , i hav ebeen blessed by God so much, He is good to me, so why can He not use me to bless others?

where in the Bible does it say we need to be free of sin, demons or sickness to be used by God? surely God starts using us just as we are and we learn to sin less or be demonised less as we walk with Him???

didnt Jesus say blessed are the poor in spirit?

Empath? Since you are so sensitive, when people lie and tell you God can't use you, be polite when you tell them to kiss off. I'm not suggesting you are one, but God used an ass. He can and will use what and whomever He chooses. Having said that, behave.

1 Corinthians, 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.

And again in Eph, 4:11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ.

Let's become what God has designed us for. Not all are teachers...
1 Thes, 4:11 "...But we urge you, brethren, to excel still more, 11 and to make it your ambition to lead a quiet life and attend to your own business and work with your hands, just as we commanded you, 12 so that you will behave properly toward outsiders and not be in any need.

Be good because a mistake or 2 can in the minds of some erase a life of decency. Be good. What you think of yourself is more important than what others think. Walk in faith. And, when in doubt, be quiet.
In Christ

fwGod · Jun 1, 2020

redleghunter said:
Who told you this?

I just came off the thread in question and saw this new thread by *wrapped up in His love*. Many responders (I am one of them) on the thread titled "Why do I have this bizarre and creepy thing?" Read the entire thread where *wrapped up in His love* claimed to have the word of knowledge (the bizarre and creepy thing) even while not right away but eventually admitting to have a romany divination background through family.
*wrapped up* is troubled by thoughts of eternal judgement because of that divination.

The word of knowledge is a gift of the Spirit. So make up your own mind if they and I responders are each wrong or if *wrapped up* is right in the argument that because of physical and mental health issues... God should operate the divination mislabeled as the word of knowledge through her on the basis that God uses disabled people like Joni Erickson Tada.

The additional argument is that no subsequent repentance for sin after salvation is necessary.. but that violates the teachings of Jesus in asking for forgiveness and the apostle John in repenting of sin to be cleansed of all unrighteousness in particular.

Your denomination interpretations may vary.

Broken Fence · Jun 1, 2020

Dave L said:
Later he says the gifts ended being replaced by scripture. DO you think a crazy person who hears voices in his head is trying to steer you away from Christ?

No I don't, I trust God.

Phil W · Jun 1, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
I dont want to whine or sounds like i am feeling sorry for myself but if am honest i suppose i am a bit

i am a sincere believer- not a good one, not yet a sin free one but i do have a prophetic calling on my life i am an empath, very spiritually sensitive. i dont count these htings as making me special- we al have gifts, we are all equally loved by God. this is just how God chose to endow me. I could have been gifted with hospitality or preaching or whatever.

I have neurlogical and psychiatric impairments. this is not a whinge because i actually believe my minsitry came about due to these- from these experiences i am able to relate to many people with simialr needs and care for them. so that isnt a tragedy or a probolem. God will heal me in His own good time. i feel no guilt in meantime for being unable to do much for God. i am in a season of rest, due to recent bereavement (6 months ago) and other issues. ok, i feel some guilt but that is the devi. the only valid guilt and shame in life are those that lead to repentence. otherwise it is just self pity and low self esteem, these are not Godly attribues.

what is an issue is that i have been told God cannot use someone liek me because i am not a pure vessel for His honour because i havet ese issues.... buti know God uses people whoa re blind or death, who have MS etc to bless other people.

so why not me? sickness is caused by living in a fallen world and by sin. so my issues are no differentf rom those experienced by Joni Erackson Tada, Jennifer Rees Larcombe (before her healing), Nick Vuljic?? if those people are used by God to bless others why can't i be?

last time i checked God did not have favourites. we are all close to His heart. there are no "special" people. at all. we are of equal worth.

so , i hav ebeen blessed by God so much, He is good to me, so why can He not use me to bless others?

where in the Bible does it say we need to be free of sin, demons or sickness to be used by God? surely God starts using us just as we are and we learn to sin less or be demonised less as we walk with Him???

didnt Jesus say blessed are the poor in spirit?

There are no sinning "sincere believers".
Pick what you want to be.
Choice A...Servant of sin.
Choice B...Servant of God.
Now, do it!
There is no gray area in the kingdom of God.

Junia · Jun 1, 2020

Phil W said:
There are no sinning "sincere believers".
Pick what you want to be.
Choice A...Servant of sin.
Choice B...Servant of God.
Now, do it!
There is no gray area in the kingdom of God.

oh ok. then maybe i am under false condemnation..... i ama child of God. ok> done.

Junia · Jun 1, 2020

Phil W said:
There are no sinning "sincere believers".
Pick what you want to be.
Choice A...Servant of sin.
Choice B...Servant of God.
Now, do it!
There is no gray area in the kingdom of God.

i still dont believe having an illness is sin...what about peole born with cerebral palsy???? they caused their own sickness same as i did mine, but they dont get condemned for it. in Gods eyes this is the same

Junia · Jun 1, 2020

fwGod said:
I just came off the thread in question and saw this new thread by *wrapped up in His love*. Many responders (I am one of them) on the thread titled "Why do I have this bizarre and creepy thing?" Read the entire thread where *wrapped up in His love* claimed to have the word of knowledge (the bizarre and creepy thing) even while not right away but eventually admitting to have a romany divination background through family.
*wrapped up* is troubled by thoughts of eternal judgement because of that divination.

The word of knowledge is a gift of the Spirit. So make up your own mind if they and I responders are each wrong or if *wrapped up* is right in the argument that because of physical and mental health issues... God should operate the divination mislabeled as the word of knowledge through her on the basis that God uses disabled people like Joni Erickson Tada.

The additional argument is that no subsequent repentance for sin after salvation is necessary.. but that violates the teachings of Jesus in asking for forgiveness and the apostle John in repenting of sin to be cleansed of all unrighteousness in particular.

i never said there was no need to repnt of sin.

but i have not sinned. i have a disease. not asin.

what i said was that God can still use us even if we not perfect. i d rept when i do sin. this is not one of thspe times, however. it was a hallucination. not a prophesy. not a divination. i have never used wtchcraft and i realised today that i am not aprophet.

now am gona forget about those words i been hearing. it is past history. i choose to forget and go on enjoying Jesus and enjoying lfe. i will not wast emy time crying over thre people who i gave words to. it is up tp them to learn discernment, same as i have to. i am not a spiritual babysitter!

Your denomination interpretations may vary.

Phil W · Jun 1, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
oh ok. then maybe i am under false condemnation..... i ama child of God. ok> done.

Thankfully, God has given us everything we need to turn from wickedness and unto Him, so the road you tread has had many previous hikers.
Repent of sin, permanently.
Get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your past sins.
Do this and you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)
God doesn't leave His children alone.

Illness is NOT a sin.
A couple of Paul's posse got sick, and praised God for their recoveries.
Paul himself had some kind of disability.
When he asked God to relieve him of it God said..." My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me." (2 Cor 12:9)

Junia · Jun 1, 2020

Phil W said:
Thankfully, God has given us everything we need to turn from wickedness and unto Him, so the road you tread has had many previous hikers.
Repent of sin, permanently.
Get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your past sins.
Do this and you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)
God doesn't leave His children alone.

oh i have already done that. am ok.... but thanks.. i just need to remidn myself not to fall into the sin of doubting my salvation. i have confessed it to god jsut now, so am ok. thank you, brother

fwGod · Jun 1, 2020

to wrapped up in His love . . . concerning my post #50. Please disregard it. You are right. I'm wrong.

I pray that everyone else is better than me at posting responses.

Strong in Him · Jun 1, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
i am a sincere believer- not a good one, not yet a sin free one but i do have a prophetic calling on my life i am an empath, very spiritually sensitive. i dont count these htings as making me special- we al have gifts, we are all equally loved by God. this is just how God chose to endow me. I could have been gifted with hospitality or preaching or whatever.

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
I have neurlogical and psychiatric impairments. this is not a whinge because i actually believe my minsitry came about due to these- from these experiences i am able to relate to many people with simialr needs and care for them. so that isnt a tragedy or a probolem. God will heal me in His own good time. i feel no guilt in meantime for being unable to do much for God. i am in a season of rest, due to recent bereavement (6 months ago) and other issues.

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
what is an issue is that i have been told God cannot use someone liek me because i am not a pure vessel for His honour because i havet ese issues....

Who's told you that?

Ask them if they've ever read Scripture.
Moses told God he was a poor speaker - "slow of speech and tongue", Exodus 4:10, may mean that he stammered.
Isaiah believed that he wasn't holy enough to be used by God, Isaiah 6:5
Jeremiah believed he was too young, Jeremiah 1:6.
Abraham and Sarah thought they were too old, Genesis 18:12. Sarah laughed at God.
Mary was probably only a teenager when she became an unmarried mother.
Peter, and others, were fishermen.
Judas was a thief and a traitor, yet Jesus still chose him.

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
buti know God uses people whoa re blind or death, who have MS etc to bless other people.

He does.

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
so why not me?

Exactly - why not you? Who says so?

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
if those people are used by God to bless others why can't i be?

Who says that you're not already blessing others - through these forums and elsewhere?

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
where in the Bible does it say we need to be free of sin, demons or sickness to be used by God? surely God starts using us just as we are and we learn to sin less or be demonised less as we walk with Him???

No argument from me.
Sounds like you know the truth; you just need to believe it and stop listening to others.

Junia · Jun 1, 2020

fwGod said:
testing

ehh?? i dont understand?

Michie · Jun 1, 2020

fwGod said:
testing

1! 2! 3!

Junia · Jun 1, 2020

Strong in Him said:
Who's told you that?

Ask them if they've ever read Scripture.
Moses told God he was a poor speaker - "slow of speech and tongue", Exodus 4:10, may mean that he stammered.
Isaiah believed that he wasn't holy enough to be used by God, Isaiah 6:5
Jeremiah believed he was too young, Jeremiah 1:6.
Abraham and Sarah thought they were too old, Genesis 18:12. Sarah laughed at God.
Mary was probably only a teenager when she became an unmarried mother.
Peter, and others, were fishermen.
Judas was a thief and a traitor, yet Jesus still chose him.

He does.

Exactly - why not you? Who says so?

Who says that you're not already blessing others - through these forums and elsewhere?

No argument from me.
Sounds like you know the truth; you just need to believe it and stop listening to others.

well am sure he can use me in any way he chooses. just not prophecy because i dont have it. but i have a gift of encouragement and empathy. i often sense what someone needs and the Lord puts the right thigns to say, scriptures on my tongue to help them....

Strong in Him · Jun 1, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
well am sure he can use me in any way he chooses. just not prophecy because i dont have it. but i have a gift of encouragement and empathy. i often sense what someone needs and the Lord puts the right thigns to say, scriptures on my tongue to help them....

That's a very precious gift.

Junia · Jun 1, 2020

fwGod said:
to wrapped up in His love . . . concerning my post #50. Please disregard it. You are right. I'm wrong.

I pray that everyone else is better than me at posting responses.

hey, no worires, sister. you did the best you could. anyway i dont think i need nay more responses. am doing jsut fine! w dont have to agree on evrything. i appreciate you taking the time to respond?

fwGod · Jun 1, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
ehh?? i dont understand?

The explanation. I'd gotten an alert that you had posted a response, when I came to read it. For ever so short a time I didn't have the ability to edit my post #50.. the usual capability just wasn't there.. but I could still make a new post so I was testing it first.

really heartbroken. just been told i cannot be used by God as am not "pure"

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