LDS Brigham Young and His Blood Atonement

Jamesone5 · May 30, 2020

Peter1000 said:
So if God was manifested in the flesh, God must be a compounded, perfect, resurrected, exalted man. Good, I am glad we have that straight.

I know you are going to focus on "was", but since God is unchanging, if God was in flesh and bone, by definition, he is still in flesh and bone today, compounded.

What happened to your Mormon father God?

Pretty clear that God came as Jesus Christ "in the flesh", which the verse is referring to.

Peter1000 · May 31, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
God in the flesh.

Is there another name for "God in the flesh"?

Peter1000 · May 31, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
There is no Matthew 3:19, so you are confused about the question from the start.

I do not have the time to babysit you. If you have a true question based on real scriptures, then ask away.

And I did respond in post 407----it must have flew by you.

Did you happen to see Matthew 3:16-17? Read it, you will see what I mean.

I do have a true question based on the real scriptures. Read Matthew 3:16-17 and tell me why God the Father , God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit can be in 3 different places at exactly the same time?

And "babysit", please, do you have to?

Peter1000 · May 31, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
What happened to your Mormon father God?

Pretty clear that God came as Jesus Christ "in the flesh", which the verse is referring to.

What do you mean, what happened to my Mormon father God?

It is only clear that God the Son came as Jesus Christ "in the flesh".

Remember God the Son/Jesus says approximately 20 times that his God is in heaven.
Remember God the Son/Jesus says approximately 20 times that his God sent him to this Earth.

God the Father then, who is in heaven and sent his Son, cannot be the same God that came to earth as God the Son/Jesus.

What is confusing is that God the Son/Jesus was the God of the OT, but he is still not God the Father. So one of the Gods came to earth as Jesus Christ "in the flesh". It was God the Son, not God the FAther.

mmksparbud · May 31, 2020

Peter1000 said:
Is there another name for "God in the flesh"?

Jesus Christ---He always was God and remains so even after becoming human---The Father and the Holy
Spirit were never human and can not be called that.

Jamesone5 · May 31, 2020

Peter1000 said:
Did you happen to see Matthew 3:16-17? Read it, you will see what I mean.

I do have a true question based on the real scriptures. Read Matthew 3:16-17 and tell me why God the Father , God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit can be in 3 different places at exactly the same time?

And "babysit", please, do you have to?

And "babysit", please, do you have to?---Peter1000

Evidently you no longer want me in that position. You can

Peter1000 said:
What do you mean, what happened to my Mormon father God?

It is only clear that God the Son came as Jesus Christ "in the flesh".

Remember God the Son/Jesus says approximately 20 times that his God is in heaven.
Remember God the Son/Jesus says approximately 20 times that his God sent him to this Earth.

God the Father then, who is in heaven and sent his Son, cannot be the same God that came to earth as God the Son/Jesus.

What is confusing is that God the Son/Jesus was the God of the OT, but he is still not God the Father. So one of the Gods came to earth as Jesus Christ "in the flesh". It was God the Son, not God the FAther.

See that is the problem with Mormons trying to keep track of their three Gods. You name one and then you take the Godhood from the other two--or generally Christ.

How is Christ your God of the OT and not God of the NT? Did He suddenly get demoted when He came into the world? Then your God the Father took over? Where do we find that bit of nonsense in the Bible?

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory

See this is talking about Christ as God who came in the NT as He did.
Where did the Mormon Father God go?

Through this bit of confusion:

So one of the Gods came to earth as Jesus Christ "in the flesh". It was God the Son, not God the FAther. ----Peter1000

It comes down to Mormons or rather JS telling God He just cannot be 3 Personages. We will all see how that deceptions of Mormonism and so many others worked out in the end.

Peter1000 · Jun 1, 2020

mmksparbud said:
Mat_9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
Mat_10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
at_11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Mat_12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Mat_12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Mat_12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Mat_13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat_13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat_16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

There are 85 verses saying this----who did you think it was?

Is it so hard to just agree with me and just say yes, the son of man is Jesus? But thank you for proving my point extensively.

mmksparbud · Jun 1, 2020

Peter1000 said:
Is it so hard to just agree with me and just say yes, the son of man is Jesus? But thank you for proving my point extensively.

No, it not hard. Why is there even a question in the face of so much evidence?

Peter1000 · Jun 1, 2020

Jamesone5 says:

How is Christ your God of the OT and not God of the NT? Did He suddenly get demoted when He came into the world? Then your God the Father took over? Where do we find that bit of nonsense in the Bible?

Philippians 2:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.
John 17:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

So you are right in a sense, Jesus, the God of the OT took on a totally different role as a servant and became like men.
We know this from his prayer that he had great glory with God the Father before his earthly ministry, and looked forward to having that glory again, but not on the earth. He was a servant and like men.

Now I see what your meant by "what happened to your God the Father"? Our God the Father stayed in heaven and He sent God the Son(Jesus) to the earth, which Jesus says many, many times in the bible. And Jesus said many, many times that his God and Father was in heaven.
So there was 2 Gods in heaven in the OT, God the Son was in charge and created and administered all through the OT, given the right, power, and authority to do so, by his God and Father, God the Father.

Then it was time for the incarnation of God the Son. It was time for Jesus to become flesh, and so 1 of the Gods, God the Son sent to the earth by the other God, and was born of Mary and became a man, and put his godhood away and during the NT times became a servant, until his resurrection, and after his resurrection he once again had the same glory given to him by God the Father that he had in OT times

Today, both Gods sit side by side in the heaven, waiting until the second coming of Jesus.

It comes down to Mormons or rather JS telling God He just cannot be 3 Personages. We will all see how that deceptions of Mormonism and so many others worked out in the end.

The Church of Jesus Christ does not tell God He cannot be 3 Personages. (your Athanasian creed calls them Persons, not Personages.) It is JS that says he saw 2 Personages standing before him in the air. We absolutely say they are 3 Personages, we just admit they are separate and distinct Personages, not all in 1 God. We also call them 3 Gods unashamedly.
Because they are 3 Gods, God the Father(1), God the Son(2), and God the Holy Spirit(3).

Peter1000 · Jun 1, 2020

mmksparbud said:
Jesus Christ---He always was God and remains so even after becoming human---The Father and the Holy
Spirit were never human and can not be called that.

Sorry, if they are all 1 God, and 1 of them becomes human, by definition the other 2 must become human too, being 1 God.

You are trying to have your cake and eat it too. Can't be done, either they are 1 God or they are 3 Gods with different substances.

Peter1000 · Jun 1, 2020

Peter1000 said:
Is there another name for "God in the flesh"?

Jamesone5, is there another name for "God in the flesh"?

Peter1000 · Jun 1, 2020

Peter1000 said:
No, but do you know who the "Son of Man" is?

Jamesone5, Do you know who the "Son of Man" is?

mmksparbud · Jun 1, 2020

Peter1000 said:
Sorry, if they are all 1 God, and 1 of them becomes human, by definition the other 2 must become human too, being 1 God.

You are trying to have your cake and eat it too. Can't be done, either they are 1 God or they are 3 Gods with different substances.

That is baloney!!! The 3 were one --- Jesus alone became human at the incarnation!! It was the Holy Spirit that worked this in Jesus and made Jesus, the same Jesus that had been in heaven, separate and distinct from the other 2 and gave to Him His humanity and He became a human embryo in Mary. That was not done to the Father or the Holy Sprit. Jesus, having been God before becoming human, still retained His divinity. God can indeed have His cake and eat it too! Do not put your human limitation unto the Almighty God!!

Jamesone5 · Jun 1, 2020

Peter1000 said:
Jamesone5 says:

Philippians 2:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.
John 17:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

So you are right in a sense, Jesus, the God of the OT took on a totally different role as a servant and became like men.
We know this from his prayer that he had great glory with God the Father before his earthly ministry, and looked forward to having that glory again, but not on the earth. He was a servant and like men.

Now I see what your meant by "what happened to your God the Father"? Our God the Father stayed in heaven and He sent God the Son(Jesus) to the earth, which Jesus says many, many times in the bible. And Jesus said many, many times that his God and Father was in heaven.
So there was 2 Gods in heaven in the OT, God the Son was in charge and created and administered all through the OT, given the right, power, and authority to do so, by his God and Father, God the Father.

Then it was time for the incarnation of God the Son. It was time for Jesus to become flesh, and so 1 of the Gods, God the Son sent to the earth by the other God, and was born of Mary and became a man, and put his godhood away and during the NT times became a servant, until his resurrection, and after his resurrection he once again had the same glory given to him by God the Father that he had in OT times

Today, both Gods sit side by side in the heaven, waiting until the second coming of Jesus.

The Church of Jesus Christ does not tell God He cannot be 3 Personages. (your Athanasian creed calls them Persons, not Personages.) It is JS that says he saw 2 Personages standing before him in the air. We absolutely say they are 3 Personages, we just admit they are separate and distinct Personages, not all in 1 God. We also call them 3 Gods unashamedly.
Because they are 3 Gods, God the Father(1), God the Son(2), and God the Holy Spirit(3).

The Nicene Creed does NOT call them persons or personages

The Nicene Creed

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
Maker of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial
of one Being with the Father.

Through him all things were made.

For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.

On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.

With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified.

He has spoken through the Prophets.

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen

So once again you are making up things we supposedly believe and trying so hard to ignore this verse

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory

Either address this verse or once again prove that Mormonism runs away from truth.

mmksparbud · Jun 1, 2020

Peter1000 said:
Sorry, if they are all 1 God, and 1 of them becomes human, by definition the other 2 must become human too, being 1 God.

You are trying to have your cake and eat it too. Can't be done, either they are 1 God or they are 3 Gods with different substances.

Again---Baloney!! Name the verse that says that!! One God---Father, Son, Holy Spirit---you do not get to dictate who, or what, God is!!! The bible says ONE God. Father, Son Holy Spirit. The bible dictates truth, not you and certainly not JS. The bible says the Holy Spirit made Jesus into a human being through Mary. Nowhere does the bible say the Father was ever human, nor does the bible say the Holy Spirit was ever human. Where does it say that we know the mysteries of the Godhood? We are told all we need to know and all we are able to comprehend at this time. You keep insisting on knowing what God has not revealed. And JS keeps trying to make up what he doesn't know. It's called faith. There are 3---ONE GOD. Save yourself the headache of trying to figure it out---you can't. I am not sayi8ng a thing about what God is---the bible says He is ONE GOD. Jesus says the Father is spirit. You just point to the verse that says the Father was once human, and that He had a Grandfather? Blasphemous garbage for which JS will pay.

He is the way · Jun 1, 2020

mmksparbud said:
Again---Baloney!! Name the verse that says that!! One God---Father, Son, Holy Spirit---you do not get to dictate who, or what, God is!!! The bible says ONE God. Father, Son Holy Spirit. The bible dictates truth, not you and certainly not JS. The bible says the Holy Spirit made Jesus into a human being through Mary. Nowhere does the bible say the Father was ever human, nor does the bible say the Holy Spirit was ever human. Where does it say that we know the mysteries of the Godhood? We are told all we need to know and all we are able to comprehend at this time. You keep insisting on knowing what God has not revealed. And JS keeps trying to make up what he doesn't know. It's called faith. There are 3---ONE GOD. Save yourself the headache of trying to figure it out---you can't. I am not sayi8ng a thing about what God is---the bible says He is ONE GOD. Jesus says the Father is spirit. You just point to the verse that says the Father was once human, and that He had a Grandfather? Blasphemous garbage for which JS will pay.

Jesus told us how they are one:

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

mmksparbud · Jun 1, 2020

He is the way said:
Jesus told us how they are one:

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Nothing there about the Father being human or having grandfathers---bottom line---One God.

He is the way · Jun 1, 2020

mmksparbud said:
Nothing there about the Father being human or having grandfathers---bottom line---One God.

For us there is one God, the Father.

mmksparbud · Jun 1, 2020

He is the way said:
For us there is one God, the Father.

There is one God---Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

He is the way · Jun 2, 2020

mmksparbud said:
There is one God---Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

I have already shown how THEY are one in glory and perfection.

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