As a general rule, a police department should keep the good ones, train the not-so-good ones, and toss the bad ones.
It looks like the Minneapolis P D failed at that. Repeatedly (Shooting of Justine Damond - Wikipedia).
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As a general rule, a police department should keep the good ones, train the not-so-good ones, and toss the bad ones.
It looks like the Minneapolis P D failed at that. Repeatedly (Shooting of Justine Damond - Wikipedia).
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“Those who have taken an oath to "protect and serve" undergo all manner of training and examination in order to earn the privilege of reciting those words. But there is no examination for the human heart. Wearing a badge does not portend purity of motives or intent (see Ecclesiastes 7:20). In the same way that a marriage vow does not in and of itself guard against adultery, a badge is no harbinger against nefarious conduct on the part of the one wearing it. The truth is, an oath is only as good as the intent on the part of the person reciting those words to keep it. Apart from a heart that is committed to abiding by the words of an oath, an oath itself means nothing, regardless if you're talking about husbands, wives, or police officers (see Mark 7:17-23).”
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I would be stunned if that ever happens. He might release a prepared statement, but to take a question and answer, to do it during the trial, I think the lawyers would be absolutely adamant against that. The easiest way to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that he had an evil mindset would be to get him to say something on the stand.
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And if you'll read my post carefully, I said they didn't properly de-escalate the situation, but treated him like a thug and acted like he was resisting when the reasoning for that may have been partly their fault and not his.
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Well, he was resisting. And it looks like the reason for that was the fentanyl that he had taken.
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The problem remains that there was excessive force used, secondarily motivated by a potential prejudice to people of color needing to be kept under control so they're not "uppity" or such racist quips utilized to suggest black people are ungrateful or other such abhorrent ideas. 9 minutes or so of the knee on the neck was not necessary when there are likely other ways you could've restrained him
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This sounds absurd to me. Do blacks risk getting put in a chokehold just for asking directions, or what? I can't believe that's a reality, and I can't believe they would think that's a reality.
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Seems like you're painting with a broad brush. Is there a history of systemic racism within the Minneapolis police department?
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That's pure speculation.
I agree with you here. He was already restrained. You cannot run, or fight, with both hands tied behind your back.
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I didn't claim it was fact, did I? It's not impossible, and the secondary motivation is potentially less conscious and more systemic in terms of white people having a privileged status, compounded by the status of being a police officer, where you can get away with borderline murder with a slap on the wrist, because no jury alive convicts a cop, even if the evidence is strongly against them.
So what reasoning would there be to do so? Racism isn't really the common motivation there, but the notion that somehow you should take more caution with a person of color resisting arrest than a person of your same race might be a factor in terms of the brutality used, as if some black guy that's a head taller than me should be treated like a beast or such (technically George Floyd was 6'2", so he's actually only a few inches taller than me, but he was a bigger guy)
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I don’t know if race was a factor in Floyd’s death, but I do suspect race is a factor in how the public reacts to his death. When I look at the senseless police killings of Duncan Lemp, or Daniel Shavier, I don’t see any difference between those killings and the killing of Floyd except George Floyd was black and Duncan Lemp and Daniel Shavier were white. Everybody is upset and rioting because of George’s death, but nobody even noticed Duncan and Daniel’s death because nobody cares.
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Yeah, somebody mentioned Lemp eariler. I had to search about it because I'd never heard the name. I've also never heard anything about Shavier. It's almost as if white lives don't matter.
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I'm white, and I've been the victim of physical police brutality not once, but twice in my life. This was with white and latino cops. Both times it was completely unprovoked. I offered no resistance. I was completely cooperative and polite. I asked the cop once, "why are you doing this?" He just smiled. He enjoyed it, and could get away with it. A sadist I guess.
I don't think what I said above fully applies to Chauvin. He looks up, and can see there's someone a few feet away recording him, and he doesn't stop. This sorta makes it scarier in my mind. He's supposed to be a trained professional, and he seems to think torturing a handcuffed man is normal! Apparently the three other cops do, too.
I think it's one factor why he was charged with 3rd degree murder, which lacks intent. No one intends to kill someone on camera. Police have gotten very used to heavy-handed overkill. You see it when they send in a large SWAT team to serve a warrant on some non-violent person. You see it in how roughly they treat people of all races.
ETA: Since posting this, I just learned they upped the charge to 2nd degree murder. Can't find what that's based on, but it sounds like the kind of stupid overreach prosecutors often do. Although I suppose the most hated man in America will go down for anything they choose, whether it's right or wrong.
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You really think this guy's the most hated man? Maybe up there in the top 10, but even considering how public #45 makes his behavior, I think he's higher up on that list in terms of people thinking he is spitting on the office of the presidency utterly and makes even presidents that were chided and mocked in the past seem competent by comparison.
It's not like I generalize cops, a cousin in law on my dad's side of the family is a police officer and I don't think he has any of those bad traits, he's a good person (I think he's actually gotten promoted even), but that doesn't excuse or suggest that the behavior of urban cops like this are somehow an anomaly statistically or that they don't abuse their power in general. That being said, the statistics appear to support the idea of systemic prejudice or problems that need to be addressed
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