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i wasnt talking about the prophecies i have given others which have been verified as true by 3 witnesses each time.

i was wondering why God is saying i need to be aware of eternal judgeemnt? i am unsure as to who this prophecy is for? becausi use my gift in the church to build up other believers?? so why would God be talkign baiut hell to those who are saved already? because usually Go dgives me encouraging gentle words that help affirm other christians in their walk with God and shows them how much God loves them and wants to set them free?

so this is why am not sure if this particular word is from God or satan??? in my experience christians are not given words that make them doubt their standing with God??? also i dont know who the believer or maybe it is a church, God wants me to give the word to?

6 months ago i lost my dearest friend. i am delaing with the fall out als of years of spiritual mental sexual and verbal abuse, much of it from my minister father. i am quite fragile at the moment. so i am not being nasty or blasphemous when i say i feel creepd out.... i am just wondering whether i am hearing satan because sometimes satan attacks us when am at a low point?


and if God is teling me am in danger of hellfire, i dont understand why. i have been born again. so am just a bit confused/

i think maybe what amhearing i sjust an illusion. not God at all. God comforts us. the devil makes us dpoubt our salvation and right standing with God.

so either this is satan or an illusion?

BTW grieving the holy spirit is an unforgiveable sin. i cant possibly have committed it because you cannot commit it unwitingly. it is wilful deliberate backsliding.

am sorry if you felt i was attackign you- this is not my intention. i asked my question with a sincere heart, no intent to attack anyone

please be aware that i am still learning. be gentle with those who ar enot yet mature in their faith. please.
Hello sis,
I would suggest that since you know you've committed your life to the Lord, ask Him to confirm whether this is from Him, and if so, what He wants you to do with it. It may not be a word of knowledge to give to a specific person, but maybe something He's wanting to teach you or have you watch and pray about.

I can relate to some things you've shared... being a victim/survivor of traumas of various types, resulting in severe brokenness. It does not prevent God from using you. Just keep seeking Him and allowing Him to heal, and grow you .... the same as all of us who are born into a broken, fallen world. None of us are without flaws.
Be encouraged and keep pressing forward in Him!
 
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I operate in those gifts but don’t speak in tongues. I have in the past on two occasions.

From my observation, the bigger issue is your reliance on outside opinion for input and validation of your thoughts. When you encounter dissent the response leaves you to question yourself or doubt.

Knowledge without understanding is facts. Both are strengthened by wisdom and discernment. It is possible the desire may hail from your experiences and the want for acceptance is great.

I don’t think mental illness precludes someone from having gifts. But I think we should be honest about the practical ways our challenges and shortcomings can impact our performance. That goes for everyone across the board.

~Bella
 
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it isnt about the words fo knowledge. like i said, my church has mentored me in my prophetic callign and gifts....those have never been in doubt.
I'm sorry but I can't just take your word for that because you haven't given examples of your accuracy so that I may judge your validity.
it was the fact you said mental illness means i am not apure vessel???
In mental stability.. no. In what you've described the word of knowledge as bizarre and creepy.. no.
so how do you explain God using people with disabilities like Joni Erackson Tada and Nick Vuljic then? they are disabled. but God uses them?????
You are repeating yourself. The answer is still what I've answered already.
i dont understnad why i cant be used by God because i have brain disorder?? i have known christians with dementia, down sysndorme etc be used by God. why not me????
My mother had dementia so please don't try to justify that. I know that it's just not so possible as you make it seem. Equally not likely concerning someone with down's syndrome.. to be able to accurately convey what God would want to say rather than choosing instead a person that actually has no mental disabilities at all.. fully having a great range of vocabulary from which to communicate.

It would seem that you consider that disabled people being used in the gifts of the Spirit makes a Christian special, that the specialty is God's way of compensating for their disability.

That must be why you just can't see why I'm pointing out that your mental issues are a reason why you wouldn't likely be used in the word of knowledge.

Again, you haven't given examples of the word of knowledge which you've spoken. If you're confident that you have spoken a word of knowledge.. then the simple thing to do is share it.
 
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I'm sorry but I can't just take your word for that because you haven't given examples of your accuracy so that I may judge your validity.
In mental stability.. no. In what you've described the word of knowledge as bizarre and creepy.. no.
You are repeating yourself. The answer is still what I've answered already.

My mother had dementia so please don't try to justify that. I know that it's just not so possible as you make it seem. Equally not likely concerning someone with down's syndrome.. to be able to accurately convey what God would want to say rather than choosing instead a person that actually has no mental disabilities at all.. fully having a great range of vocabulary from which to communicate.

It would seem that you consider that disabled people being used in the gifts of the Spirit makes a Christian special, that the specialty is God's way of compensating for their disability.

That must be why you just can't see why I'm pointing out that your mental issues are a reason why you wouldn't likely be used in the word of knowledge.

Again, you haven't given examples of the word of knowledge which you've spoken. If you're confident that you have spoken a word of knowledge.. then the simple thing to do is share it.

am sorry to hear about your mother. my grandmother had alzheimers. it is realy a horrible illness. i sympathise

no i just said that no one is special... i dont need compensation. am happy with my life and myself. and Jesus lvoes everyone. no favourites in Gods kingdom.

the kind of words i get is sometimes i get a word that somebody is in a particular situation eg they trapped in an abusive marriage, or they have a need fo rhealing in their body. and yes when i give these words to the person concerned thay are like "how do you know that?" and these are people i do not know hardly....

i also am always being given scriptures and wors of encouragement for people regaridng situations they are n tha i never woudl know about.

so if that isnt God what is it???? how is ti possible that i just know thigns about people??

my issue is you seem to think those with physical disabilites are accepted by God because their issues arent caused by demons or sin.

but sin or demons ddont affect our standing before god if we born again?

my whole life in the churhc i have been told i have a spirit of divination or jezebel spirit or some such nonsense and am gettign sick of it.


i hate the fact that physcia\lly disabeld people are seen as deserving of compassion (rightfully so) but mental health issues are demonic so we dont deserve compassion.

most dmons coem in through ancestral sin rather than personal sin. i was demonised as a child. i was a very evil cold hearted little beotch despite being from a Godly family of born again parents who minsitered in church and usng int he choir. i was a little gobshite to put it frankly..... therefore my sinful braty nature had nothing to do with bad parenting or sin. it had to come thorugh a demon,.... my mother;s ancestors were ROmany gypsie. the Roma people have many cultural rituals involving divination. in another branch of my family they were 33 degree Scottish lodge masons.

so my demons are caused purely by ancestral issues....therefor eGod does not hold my demons against me they were not my fault

he sees me as pure as ny new born baby who never sinned he took y sin away 200 years ago and when i received Him he forgave all of my sins....

so am left with the demonic manifestations. but they are no more my choice than being born with cystoic fibrosis or cerebral palsy. in gods eyes it is the same.....
 
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but none of us are without sin. God dosnt expect us to be without sickness because we are sinners, reaing the wages of our sins by beign sick or disabled. it is the way the world works.
The ministry of Jesus proves your reasoning to be in error. And, if God wanted us to be sick then what is any Christian doing by going to a doctor for medical help to be as well as possible? Everyone instinctively wants to be well.. is that desire separate from God's divine intent? I'd say not.

Our sicknesses do not qualify us to be used of God in the gifts of the Spirit.. our faith and walking in love does.. btw, one of the gifts of the Spirit in the list is miracles of healings. Did you forget that one?
God lets anyone be His children if they repent and believe in Him and Hi sfinished work in saving them. we not saved by beign good enough, that is a heresy, sadly too many churches preach.
Then why did you assume that not being used in the gifts of the Spirit meant that a Christian or you personally was not good enough?

Oh, now I get it, you think that I was using such an unbiblical approach? I haven't questioned your salvation. I've questioned your qualification to accurately operate in the word of knowledge due to your own admittance of having mental issues.

Instead of backhandedly accusing me of heresy.. why not just share an example of a word of knowledge that you've given that your fellow church members approved of?
 
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I operate in those gifts but don’t speak in tongues. I have in the past on two occasions.

From my observation, the bigger issue is your reliance on outside opinion for input and validation of your thoughts. When you encounter dissent the response leaves you to question yourself or doubt.

Knowledge without understanding is facts. Both are strengthened by wisdom and discernment. It is possible the desire may hail from your experiences and the want for acceptance is great.

I don’t think mental illness precludes someone from having gifts. But I think we should be honest about the practical ways our challenges and shortcomings can impact our performance. That goes for everyone across the board.

~Bella

Thanks. i agree...


i have been honest that i dont hear perfect;ly all the time. hence i mentioned mental illness


i am not a prideful person. aloof, yes. i beleive in high self esteem and self love and self actualisation but i dont think thjose things are pride. they are a result of being confident in knowing i am accepted in the beloved. we ar enot to go around with her heads low thinking we are rubbish....that is satanic deception.

and am afraid the church is under this deception.... many churches. the decption that we must consider ourselves not worth much and that we should take a lowly estimation of ourselves....sory it is not from God.

how does God see us:

ephesians 1: 6

song of songs 4: 7
 
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The ministry of Jesus proves your reasoning to be in error. And, if God wanted us to be sick then what is any Christian doing by going to a doctor for medical help to be as well as possible? Everyone instinctively wants to be well.. is that desire separate from God's divine intent? I'd say not.

Our sicknesses do not qualify us to be used of God in the gifts of the Spirit.. our faith and walking in love does.. btw, one of the gifts of the Spirit in the list is miracles of healings. Did you forget that one?

Then why did you assume that not being used in the gifts of the Spirit meant that a Christian or you personally was not good enough?

Oh, now I get it, you think that I was using such an unbiblical approach? I haven't questioned your salvation. I've questioned your qualification to accurately operate in the word of knowledge due to your own admittance of having mental issues.

Instead of backhandedly accusing me of heresy.. why not just share an example of a word of knowledge that you've given that your fellow church members approved of?




i have shared it....i never said anywhere that being sick specially qualifies us.


i said that we are used in spite of sickness......that god only cares if we love him....not if we have demons or sins etc he can use it regardless
 
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The ministry of Jesus proves your reasoning to be in error. And, if God wanted us to be sick then what is any Christian doing by going to a doctor for medical help to be as well as possible? Everyone instinctively wants to be well.. is that desire separate from God's divine intent? I'd say not.

Our sicknesses do not qualify us to be used of God in the gifts of the Spirit.. our faith and walking in love does.. btw, one of the gifts of the Spirit in the list is miracles of healings. Did you forget that one?

Then why did you assume that not being used in the gifts of the Spirit meant that a Christian or you personally was not good enough?

Oh, now I get it, you think that I was using such an unbiblical approach? I haven't questioned your salvation. I've questioned your qualification to accurately operate in the word of knowledge due to your own admittance of having mental issues.

Instead of backhandedly accusing me of heresy.. why not just share an example of a word of knowledge that you've given that your fellow church members approved of?


i never said not being used in the spirit (which i am) has anythign to do with being good enough fo rgod...


my issue is

that many churches have questioned whetehr am really saved orno becaus ei am disabled, physically and mentally. i cant walk due to a disease callad dystonia. i am often told i am in sin and goign to fry in hell because i am crippled. ok???


i ave explanations of the words of knowledge i have had- this thread has never been me askign YOU to approve my gifts- i already KNOW i have that calling!!! i have been in prophetic ministry part time for 7 years. i do not need assurance of what i am doing, i alredy have that sorted!!

what i asked was an evaluation of why i am getting a word about ETERNAL JUDGEMENT? Why am i being warne do feternal judgement when i thought christians dont ever get judged???

chriatians do nt go to hell. th ebibl ei sclear on that one. flase chriistians who believe their works of the law can save them yes? those christians who believe only in the bloof jesus being their only qualification??? no.
 
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The tone you are using here sounds very harsh and judgemental. i am sorry your mum has dementia, liek i said, i understand because my fmily has been through the same. so i know what you up against... but i mentioned upthread that a close friend of mine has died and that i am struggling with PTSD. please, please can a bit of compassin flow this way? i have been showing alot of kindness to people on this forum.

but it needs to flow both ways? christians are meant to be gentle and soft spoken. not harsh. not condemning.... Jesus is pure love. Didnt go round raising His voice at the weak and vulnerable. we must be like HIM
 
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i never said not being used in the spirit (which i am) has anythign to do with being good enough fo rgod...


my issue is

that many churches have questioned whetehr am really saved orno becaus ei am disabled, physically and mentally. i cant walk due to a disease callad dystonia. i am often told i am in sin and goign to fry in hell because i am crippled. ok???


i ave explanations of the words of knowledge i have had- this thread has never been me askign YOU to approve my gifts- i already KNOW i have that calling!!! i have been in prophetic ministry part time for 7 years. i do not need assurance of what i am doing, i alredy have that sorted!!

what i asked was an evaluation of why i am getting a word about ETERNAL JUDGEMENT? Why am i being warne do feternal judgement when i thought christians dont ever get judged???

chriatians do nt go to hell. th ebibl ei sclear on that one. flase chriistians who believe their works of the law can save them yes? those christians who believe only in the bloof jesus being their only qualification??? no.
People have actually told you that you are going to hell because you can’t walk? If I were there and that happened, I’d knock their block off! :mad:
 
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Demonic infestations primarily occur due to personal sin. Ancestral ties can be a factor in satanic dedications, rituals, or conditions which plague the family (e.g., alcoholism, drug use, sexual abuse, etc.). That doesn’t set aside responsibility. It means the person may be more susceptible to the behavior.

Demonic manifestations aren’t the norm and shouldn’t be viewed casually. There are different levels of demons. Some worse than others. Most people capable of detecting their presence are swift to send it packing. The evil they emit is evident and isn’t the sort you’d want around.

~Bella
 
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am sorry to hear about your mother. my grandmother had alzheimers. it is realy a horrible illness. i sympathise

no i just said that no one is special... i dont need compensation. am happy with my life and myself. and Jesus lvoes everyone. no favourites in Gods kingdom.

the kind of words i get is sometimes i get a word that somebody is in a particular situation eg they trapped in an abusive marriage, or they have a need fo rhealing in their body. and yes when i give these words to the person concerned thay are like "how do you know that?" and these are people i do not know hardly....

i also am always being given scriptures and wors of encouragement for people regaridng situations they are n tha i never woudl know about.

so if that isnt God what is it???? how is ti possible that i just know thigns about people??

my issue is you seem to think those with physical disabilites are accepted by God because their issues arent caused by demons or sin.

but sin or demons ddont affect our standing before god if we born again?

my whole life in the churhc i have been told i have a spirit of divination or jezebel spirit or some such nonsense and am gettign sick of it.


i hate the fact that physcia\lly disabeld people are seen as deserving of compassion (rightfully so) but mental health issues are demonic so we dont deserve compassion.

most dmons coem in through ancestral sin rather than personal sin. i was demonised as a child. i was a very evil cold hearted little beotch despite being from a Godly family of born again parents who minsitered in church and usng int he choir. i was a little gobshite to put it frankly..... therefore my sinful braty nature had nothing to do with bad parenting or sin. it had to come thorugh a demon,.... my mother;s ancestors were ROmany gypsie. the Roma people have many cultural rituals involving divination. in another branch of my family they were 33 degree Scottish lodge masons.

so my demons are caused purely by ancestral issues....therefor eGod does not hold my demons against me they were not my fault

he sees me as pure as ny new born baby who never sinned he took y sin away 200 years ago and when i received Him he forgave all of my sins....

so am left with the demonic manifestations. but they are no more my choice than being born with cystoic fibrosis or cerebral palsy. in gods eyes it is the same.....
Hello again,
I don't want to impose, but you have shared some things already on the forum about where you come from. Several things that you shared are very familiar to me, things I have experience with myself... growing up with trauma (some/much of it in a religious setting), occult and freemasonic influence in the family, hearing "voices" (mental "illness").

I would like to offer friendship and also let you know that you are in my prayers. I also would like to ask if you have a diagnosis of mental illness. If so, are you comfortable with sharing what that diagnosis is?

No condemnation here....
 
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they have said i must be in some sin....my parents were like this. i had a mild learnign disabiloity as a child (not retardation, more somethng on line sof dyscalculia, dyspraxia) my parents sat down with me and got me to confess the hidden sin i had done to cause this issue. because my father said i was shaming his ministry by being defective. it was becaus of me later going crazy his ministry ended.
 
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Hello again,
I don't want to impose, but you have shared some things already on the forum about where you come from. Several things that you shared are very familiar to me, things I have experience with myself... growing up with trauma (some/much of it in a religious setting), occult and freemasonic influence in the family, hearing "voices" (mental "illness").

I would like to offer friendship and also let you know that you are in my prayers. I also would like to ask if you have a diagnosis of mental illness. If so, are you comfortable with sharing what that diagnosis is?

No condemnation here....

hi yes. i have been doagnosed with OCD, Borderline Personality Disorder, and COmplex PTSD. also had eating disorder (BED) and self harming issues since young child. about 7 or 8.
 
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Demonic infestations primarily occur due to personal sin. Ancestral ties can be a factor in satanic dedications, rituals, or conditions which plague the family (e.g., alcoholism, drug use, sexual abuse, etc.). That doesn’t set aside responsibility. It means the person may be more susceptible to the behavior.

Demonic manifestations aren’t the norm and shouldn’t be viewed casually. There are different levels of demons. Some worse than others. Most people capable of detecting their presence are swift to send it packing. The evil they emit is evident and isn’t the sort you’d want around.

~Bella

sure. but demons cannot change our staus before God. They cannot take our salvation because that is sealed until the day of redemption. unless we choose to walk away from it. people lose salvation when they wlk away. or they are in wilful sin.

my demons had to have been caused by ancestral sin. because they started n me as a yougn child. about age 7. i was too young to have sinned (biblical age responsibility is 12) so how else do you explain what a brat i was as a child?

it wasnt deliberate naughtiness it was more like an attchment issue. not able to trust anyone or love anyone. and very needy and anxious and demanding. fears, phobias, self harm, hoarding food and binge eating on it. like not from liking food (although i am kind of a glutton) but from comupulsion. i had terible night terors and would see things that arent there



oh an di falsely accused a family member of raping me when i was about 5 or 6.

how else can that be accounted for except by demons coming from somewhere

bad children usually the result of bad roots
 
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they have said i must be in some sin....my parents were like this. i had a mild learnign disabiloity as a child (not retardation, more somethng on line sof dyscalculia, dyspraxia) my parents sat down with me and got me to confess the hidden sin i had done to cause this issue. because my father said i was shaming his ministry by being defective. it was becaus of me later going crazy his ministry ended.

"They" are wrong. God looks at the heart.

1 Samuel 16:7, "The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

Your father said you were shaming his ministry? And that you were"defective"? And because of you his ministry ended?

What kind of bizarre nonsense is that?? Shame on him!!

1 John 4:11-12, " Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us."
 
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