Where is the "Well Organised Militia" in Minneapolis?

Speedwell · May 31, 2020

Hammster said:
I’ve never said nor implied that I hate the left. I disagree with liberalism. That’s true. But I don’t hate those who hold to it.

I still don’t see how that relates to my post, though.

EDIT: I see you’ve added a quote. Did I say that somewhere?

No, Hazeleleponi said it this morning, that The Left want nothing but anarchy and violence, but it's a constant din from Trump and his supporters that the Left and/or Democrats are not real Americans, hate America, want to destroy Judeo-Christian values, and on and on. It is that rhetoric, not policy, which divides the country and makes all mutual trust and dialogue impossible.

My point to you was that in my opinion a negative reaction to African Americans is not necessarily racist, but is increasingly based on the perception that they are part of The Left.

Hammster · May 31, 2020

Speedwell said:
No, Hazeleleponi said it this morning, that The Left want nothing but anarchy and violence, but it's a constant din from Trump and his supporters that the Left and/or Democrats are not real Americans, hate America, want to destroy Judeo-Christian values, and on and on. It is that rhetoric, not policy, which divides the country and makes all mutual trust and dialogue impossible.

My point to you was that in my opinion a negative reaction to African Americans is not necessarily racist, but is increasingly based on the perception that they are part of The Left.

For me, a negative reaction doesn’t mean hate. It just means that I disagree. I can’t speak for other members.

Kaon · May 31, 2020

Hammster said:
That is sad that you think blacks don’t matter. You should really not be so focused on skin color.

You are transparent; what's sad is that you are projecting your own shortcomings with regard to race relations - that is clear from what you got from what I said. You should know exactly what I said, and why I said it. And, if you didn't you should have asked instead of trying to play a not-so-subtle game.

You do this often, and it's disgusting.

Hammster · May 31, 2020

Kaon said:
You are transparent; what's sad is that you are projecting your own shortcomings with regard to race relations - that is clear from what you got from what I said. You should know exactly what I said, and why I said it. And, if you didn't you should have asked instead of trying to play a not-so-subtle game.

You do this often, and it's disgusting.

Did you not say this?

Kaon said:
Blacks don't matter enough for others to risk their lives. That's all.

TLK Valentine · May 31, 2020

Trogdor the Burninator said:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

On CF, we hear advocates of bearing arms endlessly quoting the second amendment, and its necessity to supposedly protect Americans from oppressive government.

So far in the last few days we have:-

A civilian killed by police whilst offering no resistance (not the first time either)

Multiple instances of the press being arrested by police, presumably in violation of the first amendment

Multiple instances of police firing their weapons at the press (tear gas, pepper bags, one pepper sprayed in the face whilst lying down)

It seems to me to be a perfect case of oppressive government. These are the kind of actions that police take in dictatorships.

So I have to wonder - where is the militia? Why aren't convoys of armed Americans making their way to Minnesota to, if nothing else, protect the press from being assaulted and arrested, and protect civilians from police brutality?

Because I have to be honest - the whole 2A armed militia thing is starting to look like nothing more than a bunch of gun collectors with Rambo/Red Dawn fantasies, who would wait until the government was actually rounding up their family before actually doing anything.

Much like preppers who spent decades telling us how well prepared they were for isolation, but then spent their time during COVID lockdown moaning that they couldn't go out to get a haircut, the armed militia thing is looking dead at this point.

I'm sure there will be some who will disagree, so what I'd like to know is - why. And what, if any, action are you taking to prevent oppression by your government right now?

I would've expected the "militias" to be hunting down the protesters... but they're not even doing that.

What are these guys useful for?

Hammster · May 31, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
I would've expected the "militias" to be hunting down the protesters... but they're not even doing that.

What are these guys useful for?

Why would you expect that?

TLK Valentine · May 31, 2020

Hammster said:
Why would you expect that?

to protect those of like mind from the anarchy and violence which is marching down Main Street.

If you're going to protect the country, you gotta start locally...

Kaon · May 31, 2020

Hammster said:
Did you not say this?

You cut out a bunch of what I said, because that is the type of game you play.

Re-read what I posted, think about it, and then ignore me. Or not, and continue to do... what you do. I'll ignore you even if I cant actually do it for a staff member (on the forums).

only a sojourner · May 31, 2020

Nithavela said:
It's the national guard.

The well-organised militia of the USA is the national guard.

Hammster · May 31, 2020

Kaon said:
You cut out a bunch of what I said, because that is the type of game you play.

Re-read what I posted, think about it, and then ignore me. Or not, and continue to do... what you do. I'll ignore you even if I cant actually do it for a staff member (on the forums).

I read the whole thing. If you have a different point, then go ahead and make it.

only a sojourner · May 31, 2020

The rift in the US is much more pervasive then then the recent riots. I have not seen the nation as divided since the 60's and early 70's. The incident with George Floyd was only the spark that caused an explosion of latent frustration and anger. Should Donald Trump be reelected I can only see the conflict escalate. With all the efforts by this administration to undermine the free press and with violence exploding I can also foresee efforts to increase domestic surveillance. This will not subside and may rear it's head in other guises. Although each period is unique I see significant parallels to the 60's

TLK Valentine · May 31, 2020

only a sojourner said:
The incident with George Floyd was only the spark that caused an explosion of latent frustration and anger. Should Donald Trump be reelected I can only see the conflict escalate.

Should Donald stay on Twitter I see it escalating a whole lot faster.

Radagast · May 31, 2020

only a sojourner said:
Should Donald Trump be reelected

I expect he will be. If law and order becomes a top election issue, that will favour Republicans. They will also point out, repeatedly, that Minneapolis is a "blue" city in a "blue" state.

only a sojourner · May 31, 2020

only a sojourner said:
The rift in the US is much more pervasive then then the recent riots. I have not seen the nation as divided since the 60's and early 70's. The incident with George Floyd was only the spark that caused an explosion of latent frustration and anger. Should Donald Trump be reelected I can only see the conflict escalate. With all the efforts by this administration to undermine the free press and with violence exploding I can also foresee efforts to increase domestic surveillance. This will not subside and may rear it's head in other guises. Although each period is unique I see significant parallels to the 60's

Talk of the need for "law and order" and "outside agitaters". Those were all code words reminiscent of the late 60's. Pointing to outside agitaters delegitamizes the real concerns that led to the demonstrations.

TLK Valentine · Jun 1, 2020

Radagast said:
I expect he will be. If law and order becomes a top election issue, that will favour Republicans.

Well, "order," anyway.

Radagast · Jun 1, 2020

only a sojourner said:
Pointing to outside agitaters delegitamizes the real concerns that led to the demonstrations.

Peaceful protests focus attention on "real concerns." Violent protests and looting focus attention on the violence itself.

That was true in the 60s, and ever since.

Hazelelponi · Jun 1, 2020

Kentonio said:
Believes in the rule of law and peace except when it comes to black people being oppressed and murdered by cops, and then you don’t give a single seconds care. Which is exactly why your cities are burning.

I don't think "black" people (I wish people would stop with the race idiocy) are any more "oppressed" in this country than any other race of people.

I DON'T see what happened to Mr. FLOYD as being race related at all, and if you or anyone else would take notice, there are more "black" people shot by "black" officers of the law than white officers.

So why is it that it's only news worthy when it's a white cop? Because that is part of this idiotic narrative that "black" people are hated and oppressed simply because they are black - which is a bald faced lie left wants you to believe.

If anyone has "oppressed" minorities it's the left, with welfare systems that encourage broken homes and fatherless children. There were fewer broken homes and fatherless "black" children and single parent families under slavery in this nation, than under this current welfare system.

planned parenthood is the most racist organization in this country yet the left is in love with it.

Cops don't oppress anyone.... people do it to themselves when they believe the lie. They shoot themselves in the foot when they destroy the businesses that are there to serve them.

So no. No one's oppressed by cops. What happened to Mr. FLOYD is a tragedy in which true justice will be served, but I'm not buying into the poor poor pitiful me nonsense the left is pushing like a drug that is more destructive than any real racist ever imagined being.

I've had it up to my eyeballs with the nonsense.

iluvatar5150 · Jun 1, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
I don't think "black" people (I wish people would stop with the race idiocy) are any more "oppressed" in this country than any other race of people.

I DON'T see what happened to Mr. FLOYD as being race related at all, and if you or anyone else would take notice, there are more "black" people shot by "black" officers of the law than white officers.

So why is it that it's only news worthy when it's a white cop? Because that is part of this idiotic narrative that "black" people are hated and oppressed simply because they are black - which is a bald faced lie left wants you to believe.

If anyone has "oppressed" minorities it's the left, with welfare systems that encourage broken homes and fatherless children. There were fewer broken homes and fatherless "black" children and single parent families under slavery in this nation, than under this current welfare system.

planned parenthood is the most racist organization in this country yet the left is in love with it.

Cops don't oppress anyone.... people do it to themselves when they believe the lie. They shoot themselves in the foot when they destroy the businesses that are there to serve them.

So no. No one's oppressed by cops. What happened to Mr. FLOYD is a tragedy in which true justice will be served, but I'm not buying into the poor poor pitiful me nonsense the left is pushing like a drug that is more destructive than any real racist ever imagined being.

I've had it up to my eyeballs with the nonsense.

You haven't really read much history of 20th-century America, have you?

Hammster · Jun 1, 2020

iluvatar5150 said:
You haven't really read much history of 20th-century America, have you?

There’s no Colored drinking fountains where I live.

yougottabekidding · Jun 1, 2020

Trogdor the Burninator said:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Trogdor the Burninator said:
On CF, we hear advocates of bearing arms endlessly quoting the second amendment, and its necessity to supposedly protect Americans from oppressive government.

So far in the last few days we have:-

A civilian killed by police whilst offering no resistance (not the first time either)

Multiple instances of the press being arrested by police, presumably in violation of the first amendment

Multiple instances of police firing their weapons at the press (tear gas, pepper bags, one pepper sprayed in the face whilst lying down)

It seems to me to be a perfect case of oppressive government. These are the kind of actions that police take in dictatorships.

So I have to wonder - where is the militia? Why aren't convoys of armed Americans making their way to Minnesota to, if nothing else, protect the press from being assaulted and arrested, and protect civilians from police brutality?

…...

. And what, if any, action are you taking to prevent oppression by your government right now?

Why are you singling out the press for protection?

We are seeing day after day the Police defending the population and the business owners being assaulted and destroyed. There are everyday citizens trying to help stop the lawlessness.

Where is the "Well Organised Militia" in Minneapolis?

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