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Going back to the OP, 2 Corinthians 10:4-6, bringing thoughts captive to Christ means that ALL thoughts rising up in the heart that doesn’t match up with the ways of God are the main battlefield where the enemy tries to infiltrate believer’s lives.

Christians sin because they are sin conscious.
They are sin conscious because they are walking in the flesh, under the Law.
In other words, they are not waking in this.....>"you are not under the law, you are UNDER GRACE".

So, until the believer understands how to do THAT, they will sin and repent and confess till they die.

The issue is not sin or sinning, the issue is wrong believing that causes wrong living.
 
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Taking captive every thought has been discussed on this forum lately but what has caught my attention today is those things that we have presumptuously set up against the knowledge of God.

That can be anything that blocks us from seeing the true character of the Father and sets in it’s place a false image, teachings that misrepresent His thoughts, actions or ways.

Hosea 4:1 Hear the word of the Lord, O people of Israel;
for the Lord has an indictment against the inhabitants of the land.
There is no faithfulness or loyalty,
and no knowledge of God in the land.

Acts of the Apostles 17:11
These Jews were more receptive than those in Thessalonica, for they welcomed the message very eagerly and examined the scriptures every day to see whether these things were so.​

Breaking the outer shell of an unworthy vessel to become a worthy vessel that is suitable for use by God generally involves tearing down those strongholds that misrepresent Him.

Understanding knowledge is to stand under His teaching; under the pattern set through Christ to come to know Him. To know God is to receive knowledge from Him, and that involves revelation.

So I ask, do we know anything about the Father w/o it being revealed directly to the heart? What are some of the things that set themselves up against the knowledge of Him and then become strongholds that can be impenetrable for true knowledge ( revelation) to come in and change us? Do the strongholds prevent the revelation themselves or just acknowledgement of the truth contained? All questions I struggle with today.

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Blessings in Christ Jesus! True revelation, you already have within, as well as The Word of God. When I looked at your post of late, I noticed that you have grown. And if I have noticed that, than there is another that has noticed as well. In our walk, there is a time to sit in our afflictions and suffering and through this we are purified, as well as drawing closer to The Lord. There comes a time that He ask us to stand, and when we stand, we proclaim that which is True. That which is True changes not, and that we speak, even in the face of the enemy.We have a loving Father right here with us, people tend to forget this. And He loves for us to ask Him questions. So that you may know Cassia, everyone is being messed with right now as time draws nearer. But we have everything we need in Christ Jesus.
 
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Christians sin because they are sin conscious.
They are sin conscious because they are walking in the flesh, under the Law.
In other words, they are not waking in this.....>"you are not under the law, you are UNDER GRACE".

So, until the believer understands how to do THAT, they will sin and repent and confess till they die.

The issue is not sin or sinning, the issue is wrong believing that causes wrong living.
That’s not really on topic nor is sinlessness. However the mediator, that is Christ, is in the place to receive our thoughts on all of the things that this thread is about.
 
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Blessings in Christ Jesus! True revelation, you already have within, as well as The Word of God. When I looked at your post of late, I noticed that you have grown. And if I have noticed that, than there is another that has noticed as well. In our walk, there is a time to sit in our afflictions and suffering and through this we are purified, as well as drawing closer to The Lord. There comes a time that He ask us to stand, and when we stand, we proclaim that which is True. That which is True changes not, and that we speak, even in the face of the enemy.We have a loving Father right here with us, people tend to forget this. And He loves for us to ask Him questions. So that you may know Cassia, everyone is being messed with right now as time draws nearer. But we have everything we need in Christ Jesus.
Well, thanks for noticing. That may really be the inspiration behind this thread today, but oddly enough it was noticing that which was the high tower crumbling that brought me to my knees. I agree we have all things in Christ but I also believe that some of those things can be lost, just as any loss of rewards are also very real.
 
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That’s not really on topic nor is sinlessness. However the mediator, that is Christ, is in the place to receive our thoughts on all of the things that this thread is about.

I responded to your comment.

And yes, as God can read our thoughts and always knows the intent of our heart, He then is well able to know all out thoughts at all times.
 
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I responded to your comment.

And yes, as God can read our thoughts and always knows the intent of our heart, He then is well able to know all out thoughts at all times.
What about those to whom He says “depart for I know you not” ? Are they not those who don’t want to be known by not bringing things to His light? I don’t think it’s speculating to say that is truth.
 
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Do you see scripture as central to this learning process in the next life?
My status says "Sola scripturist ... I need to see patterns in scripture before I believe something...” I imagine seeing things unfolding in eternity will hold special meaning because of having learned the things that God has for us in this life. My identifier with Him is partly thru patterns of scripture.
At least as much as is possible in learning truths in scripture for this lifetime, maybe we’ll have the individuality and diversity of each of our experiences continued. I can’t imagine anything more delightful, really, than having our experience with Him being recognized and added to continually because of the delight He takes in our identity with Him.
 
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Then we shall know all, as we are fully known...
God’s knowledge of us is immediate “face to face,” but one day, “we too shall know in this way” as faith becomes sight and the mirrored image gives way to perfect clarity and understanding. That's not to say how we will be known in heaven, but only that our knowledge and understanding will be made complete, as God fully knows us human beings now.
 
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God’s knowledge of us is immediate “face to face,” but one day, “we too shall know in this way” as faith becomes sight and the mirrored image gives way to perfect clarity and understanding. That's not to say how we will be known in heaven, but only that our knowledge and understanding will be made complete, as God fully knows us human beings now.

I find it fascinating that when I make a comment you immediately assume the role if teacher and something comes back at twice the speed.

Like I said...

Any real teacher will first learn how to listen - that is rare these days...
 
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I find it fascinating that when I make a comment you immediately assume the role if teacher and something comes back at twice the speed.

Like I said..Any real teacher will first learn how to listen - that is rare these days....
What exactly was it that I was to listen to that your accusing me of not listening to? Your insinuations? Of which this is just one more.
 
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Creator and created should never be confused.

Scripture itself places fully knowing God impossible Romans 11:33 outside of the revelation given by Christ John 1:18 so we should never attempt to say more about God than what is written therein. 1 Corinthians 4:6

The old covenant used the term knowledge of God to refer to the process by which God reveals Himself and His benefits to the earth, while secondarily that revealation is the resulting human knowledge about God, prophesy and heavenly things.

Therefore, I have to bring up the question “is anything that is revealed not a further revelation of Who He is?”

Do you agree that the Mosaic Law gives knowledge of God and that God revealed who He is through it? In Jeremiah 9:3 and 9:6, they did know God and had refused to know Him because in 9:13 they had forsaken the Mosaic Law, but in 9:24, those who know God know that he delights in practicing steadfast love, just, and righteousness in all the earth. I would agree that anything revealed is a further revelation of who He is, though because God does not change, anything that is revealed at a later time will always be in accordance with what He has previously revealed and will never contradict it.
 
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Do you agree that the Mosaic Law gives knowledge of God and that God revealed who He is through it?
Hi Soyeong. Yes the old testament gives knowledge of God being revealed. But His revelation of Himself in the old testament didn’t stop at the old testament.
In Jeremiah 9:3 and 9:6, they did know God and had refused to know Him because in 9:13 they had forsaken the Mosaic Law, but in 9:24, those who know God know that he delights in practicing steadfast love, just, and righteousness in all the earth.
I think that is what this thread is saying.
I would agree that anything revealed is a further revelation of who He is, though because God does not change, anything that is revealed at a later time will always be in accordance with what He has previously revealed and will never contradict it.
Of course but within the ‘interpretation’? used. A typology of Christ as the Promise in Isaac, for instance, that typology cannot contradict itself either. And that typology is consummated in the New Jerusalem so in between are still just shadows and not the substance.So just as the old testament is a stepping stone to the new testament so are types stepping stones to the substance.

Iow, all are stepping stones of the process of cleaning the mirror.
 
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Well, thanks for noticing. That may really be the inspiration behind this thread today, but oddly enough it was noticing that which was the high tower crumbling that brought me to my knees. I agree we have all things in Christ but I also believe that some of those things can be lost, just as any loss of rewards are also very real.
Blessings in Christ Jesus! Your high Tower is not crumbling. That is an illusion brought by what you can not see. I see it plainly, as He has given me eyes to see. Stand up(as One)and say no to that which not of The Truth, then proclaim that which is, and rebuke the devourer. This is for all who are being messed with in this season. As the devourer flees, and he must, then clarity follows, and as clarity follows we see we have lost nothing at all, but instead have grown. And when we have grown, we will see that it is not about our rewards, it is about the rewards of all others.
 
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Blessings in Christ Jesus! Your high Tower is not crumbling. That is an illusion brought by what you can not see. I see it plainly, as He has given me eyes to see. Stand up(as One)and say no to that which not of The Truth, then proclaim that which is, and rebuke the devourer. This is for all who are being messed with in this season. As the devourer flees, and he must, then clarity follows, and as clarity follows we see we have lost nothing at all, but instead have grown. And when we have grown, we will see that it is not about our rewards, it is about the rewards of all others.
There is so much messing with God’s people going on! All attempting to distort His message and make it of no effect!! You’re right that as satan flees as he must, we’ll see that God has used that evil to help His Children to a clearer understanding and a greater knowledge of Himself because of what we are experiencing now. Prayers for all in this battle.

Even as we watch strongholds of pride etc, are giving way before His Strong Tower that God has provided for His Children, and we know therein that our heavenly treasures are safeguarded too. Thanks!


For You have been a refuge for me,
A tower of strength against the enemy.

Psalms 61:3
 
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Sunlight and water make all kinds of different plants that are either useful or not useful. What is useful to one may have no use for another. so it seems that for most things there are fine Life Giving elements that lead to various conditions of being. All of nature expresses truths of reality. Creatures influence each other. The environment of the times partially gives birth to the peoples and Geniuses of those times.

With God there is the universal but there is also the unique. The body of Christ is one but many members. Everything that is good is from God. God Saves all that can be saved and he makes it perfect, but he keeps us free. Free like the moons around Jupiter. Free but clinging, like chicks to their mother. Any Moon that would be missing would be a moon Irreplaceable. No two are alike even though they are all moons. a moon out of order could be a catastrophe.

Some of our understanding can be true but somewhat accidental. When we die we could lose everything we thought we had and we would only keep that which we will or what we made out of what we had. God puts very many different spirits around us and we become like what we accept.

Jesus Christ is unique and unrepeatable and this is our guarantee that each soul is unique and unrepeatable. Personality comes from God and the destruction or Distortion of it is due to evil. It seems that in some ways even partaking of the fleshly nature can destroy our personality, subjugating more permanent parts to transient and inferior parts.
 
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Humans construct a guarantee of Truth. The truth is good. But we can be ignorant. We might use the truth and our understanding of it to fight against more revelation. There are dangers everywhere. Strict discipline can be suppressing just as much as free reign can be. Sometimes if you don't say the right words people will not receive what you said. But if you said it in a different way they may receive it. This already shows a defect in Discerning of Truth. We do not all speak the same language which is why interpretation is one of the gifts of God.

The Greeks thought of perfection as something Limited. Freedom is closer to the infinite and it can be very tormenting. It caused this world after all (partially). So for humans limitations are much safer, but just under this limitation is the infinite chaos that cannot really be done away with. She has to be with the one that she belongs to - God. But God still wants to hear the word we have for him even if he gives the final word.
 
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