The Sabbath of the TEN Commandments - for all mankind (V2)

Bob S said:

Your comment only proves that you really do not know much of anything about what the SDA church believes. Before making assertions of what I have written it would be wise to do some research. Ellen White is the prophet of the SDAs Her words are gospel to them and she wrote the following about other churches. "Babylon is said to be “the mother of harlots.” By her daughters must be symbolized churches that cling to her doctrines and traditions, and follow her example of sacrificing the truth and the approval of God, in order to form an unlawful alliance with the world. The message of Revelation 14, announcing the fall of Babylon must apply to religious bodies that were once pure and have become corrupt. Since this message follows the warning of the judgment, it must be given in the last days; therefore it cannot refer to the Roman Church alone, for that church has been in a fallen condition for many centuries. Furthermore, in the eighteenth chapter of the Revelation the people of God are called upon to come out of Babylon. According to this scripture, many of God’s people must still be in Babylon. And in what religious bodies are the greater part of the followers of Christ now to be found? Without doubt, in the various churches professing the Protestant faith. At the time of their rise these churches took a noble stand for God and the truth, and His blessing was with them. Even the unbelieving world was constrained to acknowledge the beneficent results that followed an acceptance of the principles of the gospel. In the words of the prophet to Israel: “Thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through My comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.” But they fell by the same desire which was the curse and ruin of Israel—the desire of imitating the practices and courting the friendship of the ungodly. “Thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown.”" Ezekiel 16:14, 15. {GC 382.3}

GC is: The Great Controversy. The SDA church totes that book a one of Ellen's greatest.

If you do not agree with the doctrines of the SDA church you are also a part of Babylon, according to the writings of Ellen.

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Since you are lying I have to point it out. Quote me the text where it says that anyone who doesn't believe in the doctrines of SDA are also part of Babylon. No where does it say in the text you just gave doesn't it says this. So I will call you out as a false witness if you don't quote the text or don't correct your false statement.

Andre_b said:

Since you are lying I have to point it out. Quote me the text where it says that anyone who doesn't believe in the doctrines of SDA are also part of Babylon. No where does it say in the text you just gave doesn't it says this. So I will call you out as a false witness if you don't quote the text or don't correct your false statement.

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Unless you have studied all of the writings of Ellen White I would be very careful making a statement like the one made in quotes. My statement stands. The ball is in your court to prove that there were/are some churches beside the SDA church that would not be considered Babylon by your so called "prophet".

I saw that God has honest children among the nominal Adventists and the fallen churches, (Churches that do not stand with the doctrines of the SDA church) and before the plagues shall be poured out, ministers and people will be called out from these churches and will gladly receive the truth. Satan knows this; and before the loud cry of the third angel is given, he raises an excitement in these religious bodies, that those who have rejected the truth may think that God is with them. He hopes to deceive the honest and lead them to think that God is still working for the churches. But the light will shine, and all who are honest will leave the fallen churches, and take their stand with the remnant. {EW 261.1}

The dignitaries of church and state will unite to bribe, persuade, or compel all classes to honor the Sunday. The lack of divine authority will be supplied by oppressive enactments. Political corruption is destroying love of justice and regard for truth; and even in free America, rulers and legislators, in order to secure public favor, will yield to the popular demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance. Liberty of conscience, which has cost so great a sacrifice, will no longer be respected. In the soon-coming conflict we shall see exemplified the prophet’s words: “The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” Revelation 12:17. {GC 592.3}

The remnant, according to the SDA church, is only the SDA church.

Studyman said:

I can only go by what you say. And it seems I am understanding your religion perfectly.




Jesus fulfilled the Prophesies regarding the Work God gave Him as a human being. But this was only the beginning of the work God gave Him to do. He is still advocating for His People before the Father. He is still "Fulfilling God's Laws" as our High Priest. There are still very important Prophesies which have yet to happened, but until Jesus was made perfect, and given "the sceptre of thy kingdom", these prophesies could not be fulfilled.

This is why Passover is only the beginning shadow of things to come, and not the end as the teaching of "many" who come in Christ's Name, implies.



17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

It fascinates me how religious men can read this verse and then, with a straight face, tell me it means Jesus came to "end the law" and end the prophesies. Destroy and Fulfill are the exact opposite in this context. It is clear Jesus knew religious men would come along and preach that Jesus came to "end" His Father's Laws. And He is proactive in telling us, "no I'm not, don't even think it".

Yet the very foundation of the religion you are promoting, the very religion I was born into, is founded on the teaching that Jesus is really saying "Think not that I came to destroy the Law, I came not to destroy, but to destroy." We shouldn't even this such a thing.

This is the really hard part. Because I know there are false doctrines which have corrupted HIS gospel, because He warned of them over and over. And the teaching that Jesus came to "End" His Fathers Commandments is one such wind of doctrine. I also know if I blow the trumpet, most religious men will just get angry and defensive, and will not engage in unbiased examination of scriptures, but will go fully into the self defensive mode and become offended. Basically they will close their eyes and plug there ears, because it seems their religion is more precious to them than the truth of Scriptures.

But if I see a man snared by the yoke of bondage of sin and deception, that held the mainstream religion of Christ's and Isaiah's and Paul's time captive, and I don't warn them, then how is that loving my brother as Jesus loved me?

So Bob, I'm going to shout the warning, not because i want to fight and argue, but because I used to be where you are, and the Love that is now inside me wishes for you to consider what the Christ had written for our admonition. Why?

1 Cor. 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

I asked for a Scriptures which shows of a Prophesy in which the Messiah is said to come to earth as a man and "End God's Laws". I will settle for any verse in which Jesus tells us, or the God of Abraham tells us that His Son will come and take away God's Laws.

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Again, how religious men can take the Phrase "I will write My Law on their hearts", and with a straight face, tell me this is a Prophesy where God promises to "End His Law", is beyond me.

But then I feel the same way when the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's Time said Jesus broke God's Commandments by walking and picking a blackberry or ear of corn on the Sabbath. These beliefs most certainly come from a "voice", just not the Voice of God.

But then I remember that 30 years ago I was also convinced of the same foolishness, and only be the Grace of God, and the warnings of a Man who risked His Life for me, was I able to escape this deception.

I will complete my reply in another post and will leave you now with this thought.

Jesus said;

"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

According to the God of the Bible, why were these sheep lost? Was it because God's Law led them astray?

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Jesus said that He kept His Father's commandments which, of course, was Torah or the laws of the Sinai covenant. Jn 15 Then He goes on and asks us to keep HIS commandments to love others as He loves us. 1n 3: 19-24 tells us that we belong to the truth if we believe in Jesus Christ and loves others as He asks us to do. Here read it for yourself.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Christianity is very simple and it is beyond me as to why some try to make it so very complicated.

Jesus didn't have to destroy the Sinai covenant, Israel did it themselves. Why do you think Jesus came to this Earth? He came to do what Israel couldn't do and give them a second chance. He did it by giving them a new covenant and ratifying it with His own blood at Calvary where He died once and for ALL for the sins of the people of the Earth.

The word fulfil means to bring to an end. He brought to an end the prophecies and the law. That is why Paul could write in 2Cor 3:6-11 that the ten commandments were done away. KJV One version, NiV, uses the word "transitory" which means temporary.

Bob S said:

Unless you have studied all of the writings of Ellen White I would be very careful making a statement like the one made in quotes. My statement stands. The ball is in your court to prove that there were/are some churches beside the SDA church that would not be considered Babylon by your so called "prophet".

I saw that God has honest children among the nominal Adventists and the fallen churches, (Churches that do not stand with the doctrines of the SDA church) and before the plagues shall be poured out, ministers and people will be called out from these churches and will gladly receive the truth. Satan knows this; and before the loud cry of the third angel is given, he raises an excitement in these religious bodies, that those who have rejected the truth may think that God is with them. He hopes to deceive the honest and lead them to think that God is still working for the churches. But the light will shine, and all who are honest will leave the fallen churches, and take their stand with the remnant. {EW 261.1}

The dignitaries of church and state will unite to bribe, persuade, or compel all classes to honor the Sunday. The lack of divine authority will be supplied by oppressive enactments. Political corruption is destroying love of justice and regard for truth; and even in free America, rulers and legislators, in order to secure public favor, will yield to the popular demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance. Liberty of conscience, which has cost so great a sacrifice, will no longer be respected. In the soon-coming conflict we shall see exemplified the prophet’s words: “The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” Revelation 12:17. {GC 592.3}

The remnant, according to the SDA church, is only the SDA church.

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She says "fallen churches" she doesn't say all other churches except SDA nor does she say SDA. YOU INSERTED SDA. Since when does remnant mean SDA? Church is a BODY OF BELIEVERS, THERE ARE MANY DENOMINATIONS THAT ARE PART OF THE REMNANT who are the ones that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, SDA could very well be in that list as well as thousands more denominations, there are over 400-500 denominations that keep the Saturday Sabbath with the Ten Commandments, even some that are not keeping the Ten Commandments could be saved but that is on a fine line between truth and error, that's why God is calling people out of false teachings. No church is perfect, even then "non-denominations". A church is also referred to as a group of believers not just a building or denomination.

Looks like you are the one spreading lies since you are ADDING to her text. Again please quote the text WITHOUT adding to what it DOESN'T SAY. You have done the same with the bible it seems.

Stop twisting texts. I haven't even read much of her information but now that you post it, i don't see anything wrong with the text except what you ADDED to it. Please read the text carefully of what it is SAYING and stop adding to it. I may not agree with everything she has said because I haven't studied it enough. However, I believe in the 7th day Sabbath that has been completely massacred in these last days and the advent of Jesus, that's what SDA means.

May the Holy Spirit guide you in truth, God bless.

Andre_b said:

No where does Paul ever says do not keep God's commandments or Ten Commandments or whatever tablets, etc. That's how you twist the scripture to say this.

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Your perception was faulty. You are correct in writing that Paul never said not to keep the ten or whatever. I didn't either. He wrote that they were "done away". KJV I certainly do not have to keep something that was done away.

I can only believe what is written in the Holy Writ, not what you or anyone else thinks.

Andre_b said:

She says "fallen churches" she doesn't say all other churches except SDA nor does she say SDA. YOU INSERTED SDA. Since when does remnant mean SDA? Church is a BODY OF BELIEVERS, THERE ARE MANY DENOMINATIONS THAT ARE PART OF THE REMNANT who are the ones that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, SDA could very well be in that list as well as thousands more denominations, there are over 400-500 denominations that keep the Saturday Sabbath with the Ten Commandments, even some that are not keeping the Ten Commandments could be saved but that is on a fine line between truth and error, that's why God is calling people out of false teachings. No church is perfect, even then "non-denominations". A church is also referred to as a group of believers not just a building or denomination.

Looks like you are the one spreading lies since you are ADDING to her text. Again please quote the text WITHOUT adding to what it DOESN'T SAY. You have done the same with the bible it seems.

Stop twisting texts. I haven't even read much of her information but now that you post it, i don't see anything wrong with the text except what you ADDED to it. Please read the text carefully of what it is SAYING and stop adding to it. I may not agree with everything she has said because I haven't studied it enough. However, I believe in the 7th day Sabbath that has been completely massacred in these last days and the advent of Jesus, that's what SDA means.

May the Holy Spirit guide you in truth, God bless.

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None of the 400-500 Sabbath keeping churches have the "Investigative Judgment" doctrine or a false prophet like Ellen White. She said it is the SDA church that is the remnant not the other 400-500 churches.

Wake up my friend.

Bob S said:

Jesus didn't have to destroy the Sinai covenant, Israel did it themselves. Why do you think Jesus came to this Earth? He came to do what Israel couldn't do and give them a second chance. He did it by giving them a new covenant and ratifying it with His own blood at Calvary where He died once and for ALL for the sins of the people of the Earth.

The word fulfil means to bring to an end. He brought to an end the prophecies and the law. That is why Paul could write in 2Cor 3:6-11 that the ten commandments were done away. KJV One version, NiV, uses the word "transitory" which means temporary.

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So the verse should read "I came not to abolish (bring to an end) but to fulfill (bring to an end)" this is your logic. Read in the context. Fulfilled means something different but is NOT used in this text.

The definition of fulfill:
late Old English fullfyllan ‘fill up, make full’
This does not mean to remove, it means to add to it to its fullest. When you fill up a glass of water what happens, aren't you adding to it?

You use versions that have been changed by people to twist the meaning of the true text. The NIV also doesn't say transitory, you are ADDING words to it.

It says the MINISTRATION. He is talking about the MINISTRATION of the law, NOT the law itself.
The ministering of the law is what they are talking about. We no longer have earthly death sentences for breaking God's law. The ministration of the spirit is replacing the ministration of Moses. His face shone with Glory but that faded, that's the point. His ministration of the law faded and now an even more glorious ministration through Jesus Christ and the spirit is ministering us in the law of God. The ministration is enforcing or doing somethin, acting on it.

Jesus came for ALL humans not just Jews, he simply dealt with them first because of his covenant. It clearly says he didn't come to abolish the Law. He also says DON'T think I came to abolish.

Bob S said:

None of the 400-500 Sabbath keeping churches have the "Investigative Judgment" doctrine or a false prophet like Ellen White. She said it is the SDA church that is the remnant not the other 400-500 churches.

Wake up my friend.

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The "investigative judgment" HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION.

Again QUOTE ME WHERE SHE SAYS THE SDA CHURCH IS THE REMNANT. YOU ARE THE ONE IMPLYING AND SAYING THIS. This is false witness.

Bob S said:

Your perception was faulty. You are correct in writing that Paul never said not to keep the ten or whatever. I didn't either. He wrote that they were "done away". KJV I certainly do not have to keep something that was done away.

I can only believe what is written in the Holy Writ, not what you or anyone else thinks.

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Again quote where Paul is saying it is "done away". So you can go fornicate all you want since it's "done away", you can also have idols and worship other gods for fun then.

Bob S said:

You will not impress me by telling me that the laws of the covenant Israel "brake" are the same laws found in the new covenant.

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Well, the New Covenant was never about the elimination of God's Laws, only the manner in which they are administered, and the manner in which transgression of these Laws are atoned for. At least according to the Creator of the New Covenant.

You are adding to the New Covenant something God never did, and that is the elimination of God's Commandments. God actually teaches just the opposite, at least the God of the Bible does. He said He would not "end His Laws", rather, He would write them on the hearts of His People so His People would never forget them again.

According to the creator of the New Covenant, only two things changed.

#1. How God's Laws are Administered

#2. How transgression of God's Laws are atoned for.

I know the "other voice" has been trying to turn folks away from God's Commandments since the serpent convinced Eve they made her blind. And they take some of God's Word, like the serpent did, to deceive us. But Jesus told us how to resist these "other voices" which tempt us to reject God's Words if we would only believe in Him.

"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by Every Word which proceeds from the mouth of God"

If men would do this, they would find, as I and many others have found, that the Commandments of God are Good, and define Righteousness and are made for us. Not that they are burdensome, and against us and make us vain, as the other religious voices would have us believe.

According to Jesus and the Apostle Paul that is not true. Paul tells me not to allow you to tell me I have to keep the shadow laws of the old covenant Col 2:16-17.

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16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So here we are again. How can a man look at these verses and conclude that "Paul tells me not to allow you to tell me I have to keep the shadow laws of the old covenant"

Paul is saying no such thing. He is saying just the opposite. He is saying not to let religious men judge them in their trust and faith in the Christ and His instruction. These are Shadows given by the Christ of things to come. Some have come to pass, some have not. Who is the "Body of Christ"? Is it not the Faithful?

Religious high days and traditions of religious men are shadows of nothing, rudiments of the world, Beggarly Elements.

"Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,"

The mainstream preachers of Paul's time didn't understand these things either, because they "taught for doctrines the Commandments of Men", not God. At least according to the Jesus of the Bible. Since they "didn't trust God", or have Faith in God, enough to obey Him, they didn't understand those who denied themselves and followed the Path Jesus Walked.

They had created their own religion, their own high days, their own images of God in the likeness of men, their own righteousness. As it is to this day.

Paul is saying in essence, "Don't let the "other religious voices" turn you away from the Salvation plan of God". Don't let these "white washed walls" beguile you of your reward for being Faithful to the Christ of the Bible.

He tell us a few of them like what to eat, keeping feast Sabbaths, new moon celebrations, and the weekly Sabbath of the ten commandments that also bit the dust according to the following verses. 2Cor 3:

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

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Yes, no more "ministration of death" for the atonement of Sins. Jesus shed HIS Blood once and for all.

No more "Moses Seat" because we have a New High Priest, who writes His Father's Laws on the hearts of His People, and atones for their sins Himself. There is not one thing in the scriptures you posted which even suggests that God has "done away with" HIS definition of sin. But a man who believes the insidious falsehood that Jesus came to "End God's Commandments", could be convinced of just about everything, except the Truth of the Scriptures. Only the Holy Spirit can lead a man to that truth. And the Bible teaches only those who deny themselves and obey God receives this Spirit.

This is why the Christ said to be a "doer" of His Sayings, and not a hearer only. And remember, He was the word of God which became Flesh, so HE was the One who orchestrated the Commandments of God in the First place. They are HIS Sayings.

Paul in those verses tells us that the ten commandments were done away. They have been replaced by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

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The Holy Spirit was in Abel, and Zechariahs and Peter. Why did God give them His Spirit, but not the Pharisees? Peter gives you the answer if you could just accept it.

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.


Today is one of the Christ's most Holy Feasts, Pentecost". The Apostles were gathered on this Feast of Weeks, a Feast that the religions of the land I am born into teaches Jesus done away with. A Feast the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time had corrupted. Yet these who had Faith in the Christ of the Bible knew this Feast was part of the Gospel of Christ, and God gave them His Spirit for their Faith and Trust in Him, just as the Christ Promised in John 14, just as the same Christ promised in Ex. 20:6. I hope with all my heart that you might consider "every Word" of God and not just those verses which the religions of the land use to promote their ancient religious doctrines and traditions of men.

Jesus said He came to fulfil the law and the prophets. You tell us that Jesus didn't do what He said He came to do, thus He wasn't telling us the truth.

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This is the next natural progression of religious men whom God's Word corrects. I knew it was only a matter of time before you would deflect from your own teaching, and turn on me. Of course you know your accusation here isn't true. I know you are not angry at me, but the Word of God that is in me, though you might be blind to this truth.

Even this, God Prophesied of. But the Christ ending God's Laws were never Prophesied. Accepting this truth may be painful for a minute, and other religious men may ridicule and make up falsehoods about you. But from experience I can tell you that the result is better than the praise of religious men.

Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, (As Jesus Walked) and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

17 Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.

As it is to this day.

Jesus did all the law required of Him He said in John 15 that He kept the Father's commandments then He asked that we keep His new commandment. His commandment for us is to love others as Jesus loves us. He didn't mention a bunch of ritual laws from the covenant He kept. Love is what Jesus wants from us And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Matt 25:40

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12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Lev. 19:2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.

Matt. 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Prov. 25:21 If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:

Matt. 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Proverbs 24:28 Be not a witness against thy neighbour without cause; and deceive not with thy lips. 29 Say not, I will do so to him as he hath done to me: I will render to the man according to his work.

Matt. 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Lev. 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

Matt. 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

I could go on and on.

Jesus is the Word of God which became Flesh.

The religious voices of the land that Preaches Jesus DID AWAY with HIS OWN Words, He spoke before coming to Earth as a man, is foolishness of the Highest Degree.

And yet, the religion I was born into is founded on that same deception. I have now given you the same Love Jesus gave to me. I hope your response is different than it was from the mainstream religious men of His Time that Jesus gave HIS Love to.

Bob S said:

19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

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It is the voice of religious men who twist God's Word to say things it doesn't say that create the chaos. I have shown you how you do this, even though I am not convinced you do it on purpose, rather, you just follow "other religious voices" instead of really studying yourself. I could be wrong, maybe you are doing it on purpose, only God knows.

You have provided another perfect example of this twisting in the scripture you posted.

John 15:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, (God) because we keep his (Gods) commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his (Gods) sight. 23 And this is his (Gods) commandment, That we should believe on the name of his (Gods) Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he (God) gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his (Gods) commandments dwelleth in him (God) , and he (God) in him. And hereby we know that he (God) abideth in us, by the Spirit which he (God) hath given us.

Lev. 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

And this is his (Gods) commandment, That we should believe on the name of his (Gods) Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he (God) gave us commandment.

The religious voices that preach that Jesus came and created different Commandments than HIS Father, and replaced HIS Fathers Law with HIS own, is a deceiver Bob.

I surely hope you can see what the scriptures have pointed out to you here, and then that you can accept them.

Studyman said:

It is the voice of religious men who twist God's Word to say things it doesn't say that create the chaos. I have shown you how you do this, even though I am not convinced you do it on purpose, rather, you just follow "other religious voices" instead of really studying yourself. I could be wrong, maybe you are doing it on purpose, only God knows.

You have provided another perfect example of this twisting in the scripture you posted.

John 15:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, (God) because we keep his (Gods) commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his (Gods) sight. 23 And this is his (Gods) commandment, That we should believe on the name of his (Gods) Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he (God) gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his (Gods) commandments dwelleth in him (God) , and he in him (God) . And hereby we know that he (God) abideth in us, by the Spirit which he (God) hath given us.

Lev. 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

And this is his (Gods) commandment, That we should believe on the name of his (Gods) Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he (God) gave us commandment.

The religious voices that preach that Jesus came and created different Commandments than HIS Father, and replaced HIS Fathers Law with HIS own, is a deceiver Bob.

I surely hope you can see what the scriptures have pointed out to you here, and then that you can accept them.

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Yes, indeed. No where does it say that the commandment given here is replacing the other ones. It's simply another commandment to believe on his Son Jesus Christ.

I really pray that Bob S will be blessed with God's Word. It is very easy to fall into false doctrines by not reading the verses carefully and ask God what it is saying.

Andre_b said:

Yes, indeed. No where does it say that the commandment given here is replacing the other ones. It's simply another commandment to believe on his Son Jesus Christ.

I really pray that Bob S will be blessed with God's Word. It is very easy to fall into false doctrines by not reading the verses carefully and ask God what it is saying.

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Me too. But just to be truthful, I believe all organized religions are promoting doctrines and traditions of men. SDA has also promoted falsehoods, they are just closer to the truth. This makes them even more dangerous that Bob S's religious views, in my view.

I truly enjoy much of your posts, but I would warn you to take heed of any organized religion. I say this in God's Love. The Pharisees had God's Sabbath too, but they corrupted it, created an idol of it along with the Temple duties. It didn't help them. I believe in the Sabbath God made for man, and I strive against dishonoring God through it, but I would never promote the SDA because of many of their doctrines and history. They have become just another huge religious franchise in my view. Please be careful.

I mean no offence to you personally, I just know how the whole "religious temple" template of the Levitical Priesthood was become part of the religious traditions of man.

His Temple is in our mind now.

I hope you don't mind my boldness here, I mean no offense.

With His Love

SM

Studyman said:

Me too. But just to be truthful, I believe all organized religions are promoting doctrines and traditions of men. SDA has also promoted falsehoods, they are just closer to the truth. This makes them even more dangerous that Bob S's religious views, in my view.

I truly enjoy much of your posts, but I would warn you to take heed of any organized religion. I say this in God's Love. The Pharisees had God's Sabbath too, but they corrupted it, created an idol of it along with the Temple duties. It didn't help them. I believe in the Sabbath God made for man, and I strive against dishonoring God through it, but I would never promote the SDA because of many of their doctrines and history. They have become just another huge religious franchise in my view. Please be careful.

I mean no offence to you personally, I just know how the whole "religious temple" template of the Levitical Priesthood was become part of the religious traditions of man.

His Temple is in our mind now.

I hope you don't mind my boldness here, I mean no offense.

With His Love

SM

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Yes, I agree mostly. I haven't studied everything of the SDA church but I don't agree with everything they promote. I simply agree with many of their teachings and the 7th day adventism part. The whole investigate judgment seems off to me but I haven't studied this enough, and it seems partly correct about the heavenly ministry as the anti-type. I've never even went to their church. I'm not promoting their church at all, I'm simply defending the point that the part he's attacking Ellen is false. If you're going to attack someone for being wrong at least don't twist the meaning of the text. And not everything there person says is false. Also, since no church or person is 100% perfect then basically all churches and believers are condemned? Do you believe that anyone that preaches/ministers and gives their church a name will be condemned?

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Things aren't always as they seem, especially with Paul.

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Non-answer, of course. I will repeat: You denied (post 382) that "Jesus fulfilled everything the law and the prophets requested". Well, then, if this is so, why does Paul write these words:

For as many as are the promises of God, in Him they are yes.

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Yes, I agree mostly. I haven't studied everything of the SDA church but I don't agree with everything they promote. I simply agree with many of their teachings and the 7th day adventism part. The whole investigate judgment seems off to me but I haven't studied this enough, and it seems partly correct about the heavenly ministry as the anti-type. I've never even went to their church. I'm not promoting their church at all, I'm simply defending the point that the part he's attacking Ellen is false. If you're going to attack someone for being wrong at least don't twist the meaning of the text. And not everything there person says is false. Also, since no church or person is 100% perfect then basically all churches and believers are condemned? Do you believe that anyone that preaches/ministers and gives their church a name will be condemned?

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Not everything the serpent quoted from God was false either, but Eve was deceived just the same.

I think people who teach lies about God will be condemned. Actually, theirs is a "greater condemnation" according to Scriptures. I simply want you, by brother, to be careful and take Heed as the Scriptures teach.

For me, I do not want to have to explain why I promoted and defended a religious franchise that I know have taught and furthered falsehoods.

And especially given we already have a "church" and a Preacher who will never mislead us, and in whom we can place our trust. Pentecost, a Feast of the Christ today, is symbolic of this "Church" age where Jesus is the head, and HIS Disciples and Prophets are of the Body.

Also, since no church or person is 100% perfect then basically all churches and believers are condemned?

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But this is not true my friend. Jesus is a perfectly true and Holy Preacher. We can trust everything HE says, both as the Word of God, and as the Word of God which became Flesh. We can also trust His Prophets in which HIS Spirit dwells, and we can trust HIS disciples that HIS Spirit inspired. You don't need to go find another preacher to hear the truth, we already have the perfect one.

Heb. 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

The Temple is in our mind now. We no longer have the Levitical Priesthood template with buildings and gold and symbols and Priests of this world to influence us.

Heb. 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, (Moses) much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: (Jesus)

26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

29 For our God is a consuming fire.

No my friend, I meant no disrespect to you at all. I just want you to be careful as Paul instructs.

2 Cor. 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

And again;

Col. 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

It's just you and God, with Jesus as the Mediator. Don't invite "another voice". That's all I'm saying my friend.

Studyman said:

Not everything the serpent quoted from God was false either, but Eve was deceived just the same.

I think people who teach lies about God will be condemned. Actually, theirs is a "greater condemnation" according to Scriptures. I simply want you, by brother, to be careful and take Heed as the Scriptures teach.

For me, I do not want to have to explain why I promoted and defended a religious franchise that I know have taught and furthered falsehoods.

And especially given we already have a "church" and a Preacher who will never mislead us, and in whom we can place our trust. Pentecost, a Feast of the Christ today, is symbolic of this "Church" age where Jesus is the head, and HIS Disciples and Prophets are of the Body.



But this is not true my friend. Jesus is a perfectly true and Holy Preacher. We can trust everything HE says, both as the Word of God, and as the Word of God which became Flesh. We can also trust His Prophets in which HIS Spirit dwells, and we can trust HIS disciples that HIS Spirit inspired. You don't need to go find another preacher to hear the truth, we already have the perfect one.

Heb. 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

The Temple is in our mind now. We no longer have the Levitical Priesthood template with buildings and gold and symbols and Priests of this world to influence us.

Heb. 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, (Moses) much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: (Jesus)

26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

29 For our God is a consuming fire.

No my friend, I meant no disrespect to you at all. I just want you to be careful as Paul instructs.

2 Cor. 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

And again;

Col. 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

It's just you and God, with Jesus as the Mediator. Don't invite "another voice". That's all I'm saying my friend.

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Unfortunately, it's not always that easy. I study the bible and at times have trouble understanding and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance but do not get a clear answer. It's easy to say keep searching the scriptures but I don't know where to look for many specific answers. I don't have the best memory and was never really good at reading. I have to read over and over so much to understand. I am way more visual and understand something quicker when it is shown. The bible also teaches to take what is good and leave what is not, and that's what I do I believe. 2 people can read the bible on their own and come up with a different conclusion without church influence, so how do you know who's correct? Why meet with other Christians then if help is not needed?