Islam is on the retreat when they migrate to western nations.

Yytz6 said:

One could put some blame on the society; music, clothes (or lack of them), alcohol, drugs, sex culture, gossip & scandal mongering on TV, papers, Internet, classrooms & workplaces, lack of respect by people in general to parents, teachers, elderly people and women, constant focus on consuming for the sake of consuming and mottos such as 'live for the moment'. The entertainment industry making film after film mocking or distorting religions and religious people, earning the praise of many a religious people with that, etc.

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Yes, yes, it is always someone else's fault. We've heard this before. Do you have nothing new?

"Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book."

-- Cicero, c. 43 BC

Also, according to sahih hadith, Muhammad and his successors both mocked and encouraged others to mock others' religions. Are you against your own prophet and his immediate successors?

Pro-Islamic site justifying Abu Bakr's insulting of a pagan deity, as recorded in Bukhari (Note: I can't reproduce what he actually said without getting in trouble with this website...that should tell you something about how respectful it is.)

And from your Muhammad himself, according to your own sources:

Narrated Al-Bara:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said to Hassan, "Lampoon them (the pagans) in verse, and Gabriel is with you." (from Bukari as well; note that it is from the book concerning 'good manners and form'; it would seem that if you are interested in following your prophet that this is what you're supposed to do, according to your religion.)

Of course we needn't look for consistency in his dealings with those who mocked him, since Muhammad is a giant hypocrite and hence Islam is a religion of hypocrisy, even as it claims to decry it. Look what happened to Asma bint Marwan, Abu Afak, or the singing girl Fartana. You can find these in the Islamic books as well (some in hadith, some in Muhammad's biography), even as some Muslims try to either deny them outright or make them about something else (he really didn't order them to be murdered because blahblahblah).

So you'll have to excuse me if I avoid the river you've cried.

Norbert L said:

Media pumps out narratives [want you to believe] about how Islam is a religion of peace and if you don't believe that, you're a racist and Islamophobic. Meanwhile Islamic communities who have migrated here are finding many of their younger generation is losing long held traditional beliefs. They're becoming Atheist or Christian. Why?

Because we now can actually read about and know who Mohammed is. That he is one of the worst examples of unethical and immoral examples of human conduct for mankind.

In my view this man is converting more Muslims to Christianity than the RCC or any other mainstream Christian group to JESUS!

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Man whats this. Those people who migrate want to please the western people to let them stay there. On the contrary islam is the fastest growing religion in the west as per facts with the fastest conversion of western people to islam

Aussie Pete said:

Muslims know who Mohamed was. Telling the truth about Mo can get you killed. And the murderer will believe that he is doing "Allah's" (aka Satan) will

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Despite whatever u think who Muhammad and Allah is Christians are converting to islam in huge numbers in the west while u get only a liar who wants to appease foolish people who think oh he converted because he had a vision from Christ.

dzheremi said:

Muhammad is a giant hypocrite and hence Islam is a religion of hypocrisy, even as it claims to decry it

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You can go on with your curses and abuses still its not gonna make any difference anywhere.

Norbert L said:

It seems that Dr Bilal Philips should be shown how these facts are affecting young Muslims in Canada. As an informed Islamic teacher, he seems to believe they have a visible problem with the next generation of the Muslims whose parents immigrated here.

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There are two factors here. No doubt some Muslim youth are not practicing islam due to influence of western materialistic society. Its a major reason of atheism among Christians too. This is the very fact why people born in Christian families no longer affiliate with any religion due to the materialistic society. But in Muslim community this is effecting very few people than its effecting Christians comparing the population vs the number of people leaving religion. Second factor as i said earlier is non practicing muslims who migrate want to appease the Christians and pretend to convert. What is plus for Muslims is number of converts its gaining. Overall statistically islam is gonna be the one with most followers and the trend is gonna increase.

Norbert L said:

There's really only one factor, freedom of speech. The freedom to preach the good news of Jesus or the very bad news of Muhammad to all men. Besides making a claim that somehow a majority is the final proof and confirmation of being justified in this world forgets the story of Noah. Basically numbers alone do not necessarily reflect and confirm the will of God.

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You can say whatever u wish but the western society is rapidly accepting the muslim faith. They are either choosing atheism or islam. More and more churches are put up for auction because of no devotees to fund them and they are finally purchased by the Muslim community because of the need for more mosques considering the fast increase in worshipers. Bible does not support freedom of religion

If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the Lord thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the Lord thy God, in transgressing his covenant, And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Deuteronomy 17:2‭-‬5

I agree numbers alone don't mean anything but that was an answer to the subject of this discussion

Norbert L said:

You see now that Muslims are immigrating here and unlike the pressures and laws of their former Islamic totalitarian governments. Muslims have the opportunity to choose whomever to follow. Dr. Bilal Philips has pointed out that is really happening.

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The only reason Muslims are migrating is because of mess Christians made in the first place and are still bombing civilians in middle east

Norbert L said:

When it comes to losing adherents from any particular faith and way of life. The difference now between Christians and Muslims is the Islamic community is rather new to this without the fear of becoming totally ostracized from society in general. I thank God for that, do you?

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And why do u thank God for that? I am sure its not how u think it is

Norbert L said:

Rather than give a simple yes or no answer to a direct question to you and supply a brief reasoning for it, you have decided to avoid answering and express doubt towards what Dr Bilal Philips acknowledges about the pressures of religious life within Muslim countries.

Here's some of the latest:

Iranian Christian Converts Released Following Reduced Bail | Persecution

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The problem of doubts is in all humans. Its human nature. Nobody lives and dies with doubts popping in his mind but the problem is bigger in Christianity as its not very simple to understand and also bible is not very clear on everything from concept of God to salvation. When in doubt a person can become an atheist or accept islam which presents very simple explanation of God similar to old testament and also a logical concept of salvation.

And it's not Christianity that promotes freedom but secularism. This is something u fail to understand.

Aryeh Jay said:

That is almost the opposite I see in Michigan, Islam is gaining converts.

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Islam gains as much as it loses in the United States along according to pew research:

Islam gains about as many converts as it loses in U.S.

If your losing as many people as the amount that convert to your faith, then your losing ground.

Godistruth1 said:

Man whats this. Those people who migrate want to please the western people to let them stay there. On the contrary islam is the fastest growing religion in the west as per facts with the fastest conversion of western people to islam

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It’s the fastest growing religion because of super birth rates, not conversion. Christianity by far out paces Islam when it comes to conversions, yet Islam still grows faster because of the super birth rates among Muslim populations and communities:

Why Muslims are the world’s fastest-growing religious group

Either way quantity does not equal quality, even if everyone in the world is Muslim it doesn’t make it any less false, after all once upon a time almost the whole world was Pagan.

Godistruth1 said:

And it's not Christianity that promotes freedom but secularism. This is something u fail to understand.

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Christianity permits (without necessarily favoring) secularism, whereas Islam does not. The god of Muhammad never said anything as wise as Jesus Christ our Lord, God, and Savior did when He said "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's" (Matthew 22:21). Rather, in your religion your Caesar (Muhammad) is treated like God, and yet you still call it the Most Perfect Monotheism Ever™.

dzheremi said:

Christianity permits (without necessarily favoring) secularism, whereas Islam does not. The god of Muhammad never said anything as wise as Jesus Christ our Lord, God, and Savior did when He said "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's" (Matthew 22:21). Rather, in your religion your Caesar (Muhammad) is treated like God, and yet you still call it the Most Perfect Monotheism Ever™.

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First bible does not promote secularism. Read what your God says about treating non believers in OT. Second im not gonna answer any nonsense u write here. Muslims in general dont consider Muhammad as anywhere near God so dont expect me to speak and defend any lies u post here. I cant post lot of stuff from Christians u consider heretics

I’m really starting to notice the ok for me forbidden for you stance Muslims use. @Godistruth1 your posts are becoming extremely irritating and useless, if you have more experienced Muslim friends, then let them come on here to argue against Christianity and promote Islam since your not doing a good job at it. You’ve been refuted so many times on the Old Testament it’s not even funny anymore. Mohammed is your perfect moral example so yes he does matter to you, might I remind you that Mohammed himself said the Christians and Jews took their monks and Rabbis as lord besides Allah because they allowed and forbade things for their people, the irony is Mohammed is the ultimate authority on such matters in Islam, I wonder what that makes him considering his own logic and Quranic logic.

Godistruth1 said:

First bible does not promote secularism.

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I didn't say it promotes it; I said it permits it by separating the temporal worldly sphere from the Godly concerning those obligations a Christian may have to the places in which they live or the rulers that they live under while here on earth.

Read what your God says about treating non believers in OT.

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I have.

Second im not gonna answer any nonsense u write here.

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As if you even could.

Muslims in general dont consider Muhammad as anywhere near God so dont expect me to speak and defend any lies u post here.

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I don't need you to do anything; I can go to the Islamic sources themselves and find things like this quite easily (4:65):


Isn't one of the names of your god الحكم al hakam, which means something like 'the judge' or 'the arbitrator'?

I cant post lot of stuff from Christians u consider heretics

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Good. I've read enough of your posts to know that you are not qualified to handle any Christian source at all. You are too blinded by Islam to know heretic from orthodox.

dzheremi said:

I didn't say it promotes it; I said it permits it by separating the temporal worldly sphere from the Godly concerning those obligations a Christian may have to the places in which they live or the rulers that they live under while here on earth

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Deuteronomy 17:2‭-‬5

dzheremi said:

I have

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If u had then u would not say the bible teaches tolerance of everyone

dzheremi said:

I don't need you to do anything; I can go to the Islamic sources themselves and find things like this quite easily (4:65):

But no! By your Lord, they will never be true believers until they accept you O Prophet as the judge in their disputes, and find no resistance within themselves against your decision and submit wholeheartedly.
Isn't one of the names of your god الحكم al hakam, which means something like 'the judge' or 'the arbitrator'?

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What u fail to understand is there is the ultimate judge who is God and judge in worldly sense who are prople appointed to make judgments. So Muhammad is one who judges by Quran and all the knowledge God has provided him

dzheremi said:

Good. I've read enough of your posts to know that you are not qualified to handle any Christian source at all. You are too blinded by Islam to know heretic from orthodox.

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Hahaa. I am too blinded when its your theology that's too confusing. U cant even explain trinity to anyone and also accept that even Christians dont understand the trinity. Such irony

Godistruth1 said:

Deuteronomy 17:2‭-‬5

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What about it?

If u had then u would not say the bible teaches tolerance of everyone

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Yeah, that's why I didn't say that.

It would be helpful for your attempts to communicate with people if you would respond to what they actually write, not what you think makes for an easier counterargument.

What u fail to understand is there is the ultimate judge who is God and judge in worldly sense who are prople appointed to make judgments. So Muhammad is one who judges by Quran and all the knowledge God has provided him

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I just take the Qur'an at its word, and you at your word. So you say Muslims don't treat Muhammad like God, and your Qur'an says that people will not have true faith until they submit to Muhammad as their judge. So Muhammad is also al hakam, apparently. Just like your God. This is another one of those things that calls into serious question the exact character of Islam's supposed monotheism, which I see no reason to believe in or credit Islam anything for. It is the very religion of disbelief that it claims to be against in favor of supposedly pure monotheism...that just so happens to treat Muhammad and his book as though they are God. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hahaa. I am too blinded when its your theology that's too confusing. U cant even explain trinity to anyone and also accept that even Christians dont understand the trinity. Such irony

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Don't be an idiot. This is one of those stupid things that the followers of the pig Muhammad like to tell themselves over and over, thinking that if they just repeat it enough it will magically come true. "Oh, nobody can explain the Trinity! It's so nonsensical! Not even Christians can explain it! Hurhurhur!"

Meanwhile, back in reality, we have had the Orthodox Creed for about 1,700 years now (far longer than your religion has even existed), and still recite it at every liturgy. While it is true that the degree to which any individual can explain it will vary quite a bit, this is no more a theological defect in Christianity itself than the fact that you might get different explanations from Muslims concerning their religion would thereby be considered a theological defect in Islam. I'm sure you wouldn't accept that, but again you are too blind to see how this special pleading on behalf of your religion is not convincing anyone. You can drone on and on about how great your religion is and how corrupt ours supposedly is to your heart's content, but it will not help you to actually understand the thing you are criticizing without knowledge. (Granted, you're clearly not here for that...)

And specific questions about our creed have been answered by some of the very people to whom the credit goes for producing it, most famously by HH St. Athanasius the Apostolic in his work De Decretis (On the Decree of Nicaea), which addresses the complaints of the Arians and others concerning the specific wording and theology of the Creed.

But go ahead and continue to pretend that we don't know what we believe or why, if that helps you sleep at night. I don't personally care, because I do know, so the willful ignorance of such a follower of the devil as yourself has no effect on my belief whatsoever.

Jesus Christ is the incarnate Word of God. Your crying and protesting won't change that. If you want to whine to someone, why not whine to your Muhammad, who is responsible for keeping you enslaved to the ignorance of the pagan Arabs of the 7th century? If he is so great and wonderful and all this like Islam says, he should be able to help you. Or is this something that you would need to kiss and rub the black stone inside the pagan cube at Mecca to fix? Your religion is a pagan trash pile, and yet you dare to criticize Christianity for supposedly deifying a man we say came to us as God already (so we didn't 'make' him that way; the Qur'an is simply wrong about this, like it is wrong about most things), while you deify a different man who is in no way from God, who is inferior to Jesus Christ in every way imaginable (heck, he's inferior to the majority of people in the world who are not Muslims, and yet manage to go their entire lives without raping a 9 year old child and calling it 'marriage'), all the while claiming that this is tawhid.

Hahahaha. Get out of here with such foolishness. Nobody can take such talk seriously.