LDS Heavenly Father

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I find the opening line of John 1:18 an interesting choice of words.

"No one has ever seen God"

Which is true. All we know is what we've been told about Him through the scriptures, which as we know is all up for interpretation.

I address God as Him or Father, but that's only a human concept. I think God goes WAY beyond anything we can ever understand. And I like to rest in that ignorance, I find it peaceful.

By the way, I don't understand why people post in this forum, and then run away. You're not going to turn septic by posting here lol.
 
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What evidence is there that Heavenly Father was once a man?

Perhaps it was the Father walking in the garden with Adam and Eve. That he made garments of 'skins' for them prefigures the killing of his son to cover their sin.
 
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What evidence is there that Heavenly Father was once a man?
Jesus was once a man and He followed in His Father's footsteps:

(New Testament | John 5:19)

19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
 
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(New Testament | Hebrews 1:1 - 3)

1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
 
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(New Testament | Hebrews 1:1 - 3)

1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
What leads you to believe that “person” means human man?
 
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per·son
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  1. 1.
    a human being regarded as an individual.
  1. Theology.any of the three hypostases or modes of being in the Trinity, namely the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

So again, what leads you to believe that “person” means human man?
 
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  1. Theology.any of the three hypostases or modes of being in the Trinity, namely the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
So again, what leads you to believe that “person” means human man?
Trinity? We know that Jesus has a body of flesh and bones. We know He was born of Mary and died on the cross. The Holy Spirit is a spirit. The Father has a person and Jesus is in the exact image of the Father. We also know how Jesus and the Father are one in glory and perfection:

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
 
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Trinity? We know that Jesus has a body of flesh and bones. We know He was born of Mary and died on the cross. The Holy Spirit is a spirit. The Father has a person and Jesus is in the exact image of the Father. We also know how Jesus and the Father are one in glory and perfection:

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬
So are you saying that Jesus Christ is a spirit:

(New Testament | Luke 24:38 - 43)

38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
 
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God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Note the KJV rendering, as other renderings - like the RSV - say "God is spirit", taking what in English is a far more metaphorical approach to matters.
 
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So are you saying that Jesus Christ is a spirit:

(New Testament | Luke 24:38 - 43)

38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
I’m saying what Jesus said about His Father.
 
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John 4:24 For unto such hath God promised his Spirit. And they who worship him, must worship in spirit and in truth.
And how does that line up with the Greek?
 
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Note the KJV rendering, as other renderings - like the RSV - say "God is spirit", taking what in English is a far more metaphorical approach to matters.
How so?
 
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We do not have the original, only copies.
That doesn’t matter. From what we have we can be sure that we have what was originally written. Don’t let your ignorance of textual criticism be a reason to rely on a poor translation.
 
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