Riots around the US - OBOB check in

Gnarwhal · May 30, 2020

So on my count there are, or have been, riots in Minneapolis, Louisville, Columbus (Ohio), LA, San Jose, Oakland, Los Angeles, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Brooklyn, Des Moines, Detroit, Cincinnati, Portland, Indianapolis, St. Paul, Seattle, Omaha and Washington DC (specifically at the White House). 20 major cities and metro areas*.

I don't think many, or maybe even any, of us live in those cities but just in case some of us do, or in case this rioting spreads to smaller cities and towns, I thought maybe we could keep in touch and informed.

Has anyone been affected by these riots yet? Any thoughts about it either way?

*Thanks for the update @St_Worm2, @chevyontheriver and @Michie.

St_Worm2 · May 30, 2020

No thoughts in particular right now, just sadness about all of it (particularly with what started it

).

BTW, you can add Detroit and Cincinnati to the list in your OP, and I'm sure there are other affected cities as well.

edit: Add Portland, Oregon to the cities with riots. What I just saw on TV looked pretty bad!

edit2: Teen protester was shot and killed in a drive-by shooting tonight in Detroit.

--David

eastcoast_bsc · May 30, 2020

Nothing in Boston. Yet.

All the usual suspects criminal cop who should have never been a cop. Weak political hacks who allow their cities to burn to make a point, radical activist who want to see anarchy, looters who's main thing is looting.

I am actually trying to read and watch less of the news. Oh and I forget to mention self-righteous media hacks who feign their civil rights hero’s but are really trying to inflame the situation with no concern regarding the damage they cause.

Lady Bug · May 30, 2020

The problem with politics is that things are binary, we can "only" choose one side as being completely correct without question. I don't have to question whether George Floyd's death was murder, but I would like to question whether or not I have the right to disagree with the riots. It seems like it's either/or. We can't acknowledge both as being wrong. Reminds me of the corona "binary" choice between public health and economy.

Stabat Mater dolorosa · May 30, 2020

If this contiunes to spread throughout the country it will weaken the US further, and cause a massive wave of Covid-19 in its aftermath. Geopolitically this will once again serve China.

Ive sometimes been wondering whether the US will remain united in the long run or not. There are so many things which seems to imply that the American dynasty is about to come to an end. It reminds me of past falls of empires.

I hope and pray that it gets sorted out, but the American society is in a crucial state.

pdudgeon · May 30, 2020

Stabat said:
If this contiunes to spread throughout the country it will weaken the US further, and cause a massive wave of Covid-19 in its aftermath. Geopolitically this will once again serve China.

Ive sometimes been wondering whether the US will remain united in the long run or not. There are so many things which seems to imply that the American dynasty is about to come to an end. It reminds me of past falls of empires.

I hope and pray that it gets sorted out, but the American society is in a crucial state.

Agreed. and that's why all these governors have got to put the rights of all their citizens first, instead of always towing the line on Political Party politics. :crossrc:

Stabat Mater dolorosa · May 30, 2020

pdudgeon said:
Agreed. and that's why all these governors have got to put the rights of all their citizens first, instead of always towing the line on Political Party politics.

And may i add that Europe needs the US as a strong ally. Im deeply concerned and worried by the thought of a Europe left to itself to defend against Chinese influence and agression. For this reason alone im very disappointed im Trumps "America first" politics. It feels as if we're about to be tossed under the bus so to speak.

If the western world gets fractured we'll once again see the rise of a unipolar world order, but this time with China as a power center. The cosmopolitics of the Obama administration definitely had its weaknesses, but it reassured the west that we could count on the US in times of need. The Trump administration comes of as a unreliable ally for Europe.

This could jeopardize the western position in world politics in a very dangerous way.

Michie · May 30, 2020

We have several in the state. Add Indianapolis for a really bad one last night.

Gnarwhal · May 30, 2020

St_Worm2 said:
No thoughts in particular right now, just sadness about all of it (particularly with what started it ).

BTW, you can add Detroit and Cincinnati to the list in your OP, and I'm sure there are other affected cities as well.

edit: Add Portland, Oregon to the cities with riots. What I just saw on TV looked pretty bad!

edit2: Teen protester was shot and killed in a drive-by shooting tonight in Detroit.

--David

Thanks for the info, what a thing this is.

eastcoast_bsc said:
Nothing in Boston. Yet.

All the usual suspects criminal cop who should have never been a cop. Weak political hacks who allow their cities to burn to make a point, radical activist who want to see anarchy, looters who's main thing is looting.

I am actually trying to read and watch less of the news. Oh and I forget to mention self-righteous media hacks who feign their civil rights hero’s but are really trying to inflame the situation with no concern regarding the damage they cause.

I'm a little surprised nothing's happened there yet, but I'm definitely glad. I would hate to see anything of historical value destroyed in a riot (and obviously I don't want to see anyone lose their life or their livelihood).

Good call on watching less news, I would put well over 50% of the blame for this stuff on the media's shoulders. They've been stirring the pot for a long, long time, turning this country into a powder keg. Ironic that for some of them it's blown up in their faces (CNN's HQ in Atlanta was hit by the rioters last night).

Lady Bug said:
The problem with politics is that things are binary, we can "only" choose one side as being completely correct without question. I don't have to question whether George Floyd's death was murder, but I would like to question whether or not I have the right to disagree with the riots. It seems like it's either/or. We can't acknowledge both as being wrong. Reminds me of the corona "binary" choice between public health and economy.

I don't know, it seems like a lot of folks on Twitter and elsewhere (on both sides) are agreeing that what happened to George Floyd was criminal and Chauvin should be punished to the full extent of the law, but the rioting completely undermines the issue and may even be harming the black community more than anyone else. Especially in Minneapolis.

Stabat said:
If this contiunes to spread throughout the country it will weaken the US further, and cause a massive wave of Covid-19 in its aftermath. Geopolitically this will once again serve China.

Ive sometimes been wondering whether the US will remain united in the long run or not. There are so many things which seems to imply that the American dynasty is about to come to an end. It reminds me of past falls of empires.

I hope and pray that it gets sorted out, but the American society is in a crucial state.

I've had that on my mind as well. If the U.S. is so preoccupied with all this civil unrest, it's makes us vulnerable to attack from the Chinese, which I suspect is something they've been waiting for for a long time. They've wanted to replace us as the world leader for generations. They've been trying to cripple us in secret for a long time, now they may try to cripple us overtly through an attempted invasion.

I think a lot of us Americans have felt for a while now that the country needs to divide. Half the country believes in our founding principles, and the other half is Marxist. They want a communist state, pure and simple. We may have to split into at leas two countries so that both sides can have what they want.

The way things are now, we've all been sniffing a second civil war for years. Not over geographic lines or specific issues, but political lines: left vs. right. The Marxist atheists and the religious conservatives. Things have changed more in the past three years than I've ever seen before in my life, I don't think there's any going back from this.

pdudgeon said:
Agreed. and that's why all these governors have got to put the rights of all their citizens first, instead of always towing the line on Political Party politics.

That seems to be something Americans are waking up to: the importance of voting for officials at the state and local levels. A Virginia city (Richmond?), and democratic stronghold, just ousted all four of it's democratic city councilmen in favor of Republicans. The turnout for both sides was the highest it's been in years and they think this flip is because of Northam's overreach.

Michie said:
We have several in the state. Add Indianapolis for a really bad one last night.

Stay safe, Michie! And thanks for the info.

Stabat Mater dolorosa · May 30, 2020

@Fenwick bear with me, im only a spectator to the power struggles that seems to unfold in the US. My question is, where does this leave Europe?

if a second civil war occurs, we'd most likely support the northern states. Where would this put us in the face of China?
My fear is that China would push its agenda upon Europe in the face of a weakened and fractured US.

Im generally not to happy about the precepts of learning mandarin or russian in the near future. Im sorry if I sound to eurocentric in my take on US politics, but in the end of the day its what affects me personally.

Gnarwhal · May 30, 2020

Stabat said:
@Fenwick bear with me, im only a spectator to the power struggles that seems to unfold in the US. My question is, where does this leave Europe?

That's a good question. Ideologically I think much of Europe would ally with the Marxist state, because they've already been condemning conservative Americans and our politics for years now. The only European allies of the surviving Free America would likely be the recently-Brexited UK, and possibly Poland and Hungary. The rest of Europe is so liberal they would act like the Peoples Republic of Satanstan is the progressive utopia they all think Denmark, Norway and Sweden are.

I think it depends on how the war shakes out. If there's another one, it would be liberal vs. conservative, so it's going to affect all 50 states equally, it won't be confined to any one region. Whether it's strictly civilian involvement, or the military actually gets involved in one side is hard to say. There's a lot of entanglement still in the sense that the liberals haven't made themselves the clear-cut enemies of the constitution, but they're about two inches away from that. Doing so would probably highlight them as the "domestic enemies" servicemen are sworn to defend against. Even though just about anybody with a shred of common sense already understands that's exactly what they are.

Stabat said:
if a second civil war occurs, we'd most likely support the northern states. Where would this put us in the face of China?
My fear is that China would push its agenda upon Europe in the face of a weakened and fractured US.

Well, an officially geopolitically divided America would certainly strengthen China. If there are two countries after a civil war, one of them will be a Marxist state and that state will either ally with China, or flat out submit to China to be ruled by the CCP.

Stabat said:
Im generally not to happy about the precepts of learning mandarin or russian in the near future. Im sorry if I sound to eurocentric in my take on US politics, but in the end of the day its what affects me personally.

Nor would I be, either. I don't care how it sounds, I detest the thought of being anything other than what I am. I'm proud of my heritage, I'm a proud American, and I'll be damned if I let some fat basement dwelling communist slobs destroy that.

I fully embrace Patrick Henry's cry: Give me liberty, or give me death!

Stabat Mater dolorosa · May 30, 2020

Fenwick said:
That's a good question. Ideologically I think much of Europe would ally with the Marxist state, because they've already been condemning conservative Americans and our politics for years now. The only European allies of the surviving Free America would likely be the recently-Brexited UK, and possibly Poland and Hungary. The rest of Europe is so liberal they would act like the Peoples Republic of Satanstan is the progressive utopia they all think Denmark, Norway and Sweden are.

I think it depends on how the war shakes out. If there's another one, it would be liberal vs. conservative, so it's going to affect all 50 states equally, it won't be confined to any one region. Whether it's strictly civilian involvement, or the military actually gets involved in one side is hard to say. There's a lot of entanglement still in the sense that the liberals haven't made themselves the clear-cut enemies of the constitution, but they're about two inches away from that. Doing so would probably highlight them as the "domestic enemies" servicemen are sworn to defend against. Even though just about anybody with a shred of common sense already understands that's exactly what they are.

Well, an officially geopolitically divided America would certainly strengthen China. If there are two countries after a civil war, one of them will be a Marxist state and that state will either ally with China, or flat out submit to China to be ruled by the CCP.

Nor would I be, either. I don't care how it sounds, I detest the thought of being anything other than what I am. I'm proud of my heritage, I'm a proud American, and I'll be damned if I let some fat basement dwelling communist slobs destroy that.

I fully embrace Patrick Henry's cry: Give me liberty, or give me death!

I just hope that a divided America will have room for a immigrant like myself. Im Norwegian and i see our faults as clear as day. Its hidden beneath the surface as we're such a wealty nation still, but the political drift is definitely a major cause of concern.

I'd rather live in a free America than a communist Europe, thats for sure. If anything like we're talking about where to actually happen im sure we'll have God on our side!

pdudgeon · May 30, 2020

Stabat said:
And may i add that Europe needs the US as a strong ally. Im deeply concerned and worried by the thought of a Europe left to itself to defend against Chinese influence and agression. For this reason alone im very disappointed im Trumps "America first" politics. It feels as if we're about to be tossed under the bus so to speak.

If the western world gets fractured we'll once again see the rise of a unipolar world order, but this time with China as a power center. The cosmopolitics of the Obama administration definitely had its weaknesses, but it reassured the west that we could count on the US in times of need. The Trump administration comes of as a unreliable ally for Europe.

This could jeopardize the western position in world politics in a very dangerous way.

I agree, this is the beginning of China as a world power again.
But this time will be the last.

We already know the route the invading armies will take, we know where they will hit, and unfortunately they are already in place to do so.

Only Christ can stop them, and He will.

pdudgeon · May 30, 2020

Stabat said:
I just hope that a divided America will have room for a immigrant like myself. Im Norwegian and i see our faults as clear as day. Its hidden beneath the surface as we're such a wealty nation still, but the political drift is definitely a major cause of concern.

I'd rather live in a free America than a communist Europe, thats for sure. If anything like we're talking about where to actually happen im sure we'll have God on our side!

We will, but now is the time to prepare.
Don't leave it too late to evacuate.
Best to go while you still have a choice to do so, and pray that the invasion doesn't happen in the Winter.

Choose your Diocese carefully and write to the Bishop, saying that you are available to travel. You have good credentials, and would be an asset to any Diocese. Best Wishes, stay safe!! And keep in touch!

Gnarwhal · May 30, 2020

Stabat said:
I'd rather live in a free America than a communist Europe, thats for sure. If anything like we're talking about where to actually happen im sure we'll have God on our side!

I sure hope and pray we do. I don't want the nation to split either, I would just feel like we failed the founding fathers by letting it fall apart - although I think it was either Jefferson or Washington who didn't think the nation should get too big geographically. I know Jefferson imagined a separate nation in the Pacific Northwest where Oregon, Washington and British Columbia are now called "Cascadia".

But I've lost any confidence that our society is redeemable in it's current form. To go back to what was good would mean winding back the clock on the government over a century before it got too big, and the Marxists would fight against that tooth and nail—so to succeed, we'd have to beat them back so totally, so completely, that they couldn't form a meaningful opposition.

It would start by systematically eliminating anybody who's a part of Antifa. That group needs to be decimated beyond measure. Unable to ever recover. Wiped off the face of the Earth.

LizaMarie · May 30, 2020

eastcoast_bsc said:
Nothing in Boston. Yet.

All the usual suspects criminal cop who should have never been a cop. Weak political hacks who allow their cities to burn to make a point, radical activist who want to see anarchy, looters who's main thing is looting.

I am actually trying to read and watch less of the news. Oh and I forget to mention self-righteous media hacks who feign their civil rights hero’s but are really trying to inflame the situation with no concern regarding the damage they cause.

I couldn't agree with all the above more.

LizaMarie · May 30, 2020

Stabat said:
If this contiunes to spread throughout the country it will weaken the US further, and cause a massive wave of Covid-19 in its aftermath. Geopolitically this will once again serve China.

Ive sometimes been wondering whether the US will remain united in the long run or not. There are so many things which seems to imply that the American dynasty is about to come to an end. It reminds me of past falls of empires.

I hope and pray that it gets sorted out, but the American society is in a crucial state.

Honestly I don't believe we will. I'm sorry to be so depressing but I believe that we are going to split among Red State/Blue State lines. I definitely believe a Civil War is possible, I hope not. Of course China and or Russia would take advantage of that.
Those that have been working to undermine our society and Judeo-Christian value system have made too many of inroads in the last 50 years. YOu should read some of the posts of my progressive friends make on social media. The hate traditional Christianity want to marginalize it, get rid of it, stamp it out. I'm in my 60's and this is not the same country I grew up in. As Fenwick said the Marxists would fight us tooth and nail trying to turn back the clock.

chevyontheriver · May 30, 2020

Fenwick said:
So on my count there are, or have been, riots in Minneapolis, Louisville, Columbus (Ohio), LA, San Jose, Oakland, Los Angeles, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Brooklyn, Des Moines, Detroit, Cincinnati, Portland, Indianapolis and Washington DC (specifically at the White House). 17 major cities and metro areas*.

I don't think many, or maybe even any, of us live in those cities but just in case some of us do, or in case this rioting spreads to smaller cities and towns, I thought maybe we could keep in touch and informed.

Has anyone been affected by these riots yet? Any thoughts about it either way?

*Thanks for the update @St_Worm2 and @Michie.

Minneapolis, AND St Paul, AND multiple suburbs. Omaha. Seattle.

chevyontheriver · May 30, 2020

LizaMarie said:
Honestly I don't believe we will. I'm sorry to be so depressing but I believe that we are going to split among Red State/Blue State lines. I definitely believe a Civil War is possible, I hope not. Of course China and or Russia would take advantage of that.
Those that have been working to undermine our society and Judeo-Christian value system have made too many of inroads in the last 50 years. YOu should read some of the posts of my progressive friends make on social media. The hate traditional Christianity want to marginalize it, get rid of it, stamp it out. I'm in my 60's and this is not the same country I grew up in. As Fenwick said the Marxists would fight us tooth and nail trying to turn back the clock.

A divide between Red States and Blue States does nothing for the divide between neighbors. How do we have a civil war with neighbor against neighbor? Lebanon might be the example for that. Or Kosovo. Not at all pretty. We could split by Red and Blue states and then partition where people had to move. What a mess that would be. Moving in the midst of civil war.

We Christians have a role to play. The politics are becoming MORE polarized. We need to help people depolarize. To do that we had better depolarize ourselves. Politically for sure, walking back from either political extreme. But also religiously, with committed Christians ceasing our wars against each other. The world needs us to be salt and light. Not to be worldly imitators.

chevyontheriver · May 30, 2020

Fenwick said:
I sure hope and pray we do. I don't want the nation to split either, I would just feel like we failed the founding fathers by letting it fall apart - although I think it was either Jefferson or Washington who didn't think the nation should get too big geographically. I know Jefferson imagined a separate nation in the Pacific Northwest where Oregon, Washington and British Columbia are now called "Cascadia".

But I've lost any confidence that our society is redeemable in it's current form. To go back to what was good would mean winding back the clock on the government over a century before it got too big, and the Marxists would fight against that tooth and nail—so to succeed, we'd have to beat them back so totally, so completely, that they couldn't form a meaningful opposition.

It would start by systematically eliminating anybody who's a part of Antifa. That group needs to be decimated beyond measure. Unable to ever recover. Wiped off the face of the Earth.

Jefferson thought a little revolution once in a while might be a good thing. Just thorwing that little Molotov out there.

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