A Superpower in turmoil

Zoii · May 30, 2020

In just a few months we have seen a country that prides itself on strength as a nation turn into a nation not coping and weak.

In the past months, we saw the USA grapple and wrestle back that curve that was climbing steeply re COVID infection and death rates. Now with the relaxation on restrictions, the rates of infection have climbed from 17000 to 25000 per day in just a week.

A president at odds with his own medical experts ie

recommendations re isolation and social distance
use of masks
ingestion or injection of disinfectants
Use of chloroquine

Riots and civil unrest across several states - some related to the a reaction against government-imposed COVID restrictions, and more recently, violent demonstrations of civil unrest against police killings.

Unemployment rates higher than the great depression
A sinking Dow Jones

Partisan divisions at their most divisive in the history of the USA
Gun Death Rates at 16500 in five months.

Each country has its issues and challenges. But as an outsider observing the USA this seems to be a country that's struggling with its own internal affairs above and beyond what other nations in the OECD are experiencing.

Is it as bad as it seems? I attach several discussion papers:
A new world is dawning, and the US will no longer lead it

Think Again: American Decline

The coronavirus is accelerating America’s decline

Divided America

Patrick Cockburn: The US has faced decline before – but nothing like what’s to come

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-...s-in-dozens-of-us-cities-20200530-p54y0f.html

Broken Fence · May 30, 2020

Zoii said:
In just a few months we have seen a country that prides itself on strength as a nation turn into a nation not coping and weak.

In the past months, we saw the USA grapple and wrestle back that curve that was climbing steeply re COVID infection and death rates. Now with the relaxation on restrictions, the rates of infection have climbed from 17000 to 25000 per day in just a week.

A president at odds with his own medical experts ie

recommendations re isolation and social distance

use of masks

ingestion or injection of disinfectants

Use of chloroquine

Riots and civil unrest across several states - some related to the a reaction against government-imposed COVID restrictions, and more recently, violent demonstrations of civil unrest against police killings.

Unemployment rates higher than the great depression
A sinking Dow Jones

Partisan divisions at their most divisive in the history of the USA
Gun Death Rates at 16500 in five months.

Each country has its issues and challenges. But as an outsider observing the USA this seems to be a country that's struggling with its own internal affairs above and beyond what other nations in the OECD are experiencing.

Is it as bad as it seems?

Not sure we will have to watch and see.

Nithavela · May 30, 2020

Zoii said:
In just a few months we have seen a country that prides itself on strength as a nation turn into a nation not coping and weak.

In the past months, we saw the USA grapple and wrestle back that curve that was climbing steeply re COVID infection and death rates. Now with the relaxation on restrictions, the rates of infection have climbed from 17000 to 25000 per day in just a week.

A president at odds with his own medical experts ie

recommendations re isolation and social distance

use of masks

ingestion or injection of disinfectants

Use of chloroquine

Riots and civil unrest across several states - some related to the a reaction against government-imposed COVID restrictions, and more recently, violent demonstrations of civil unrest against police killings.

Unemployment rates higher than the great depression
A sinking Dow Jones

Partisan divisions at their most divisive in the history of the USA
Gun Death Rates at 16500 in five months.

Each country has its issues and challenges. But as an outsider observing the USA this seems to be a country that's struggling with its own internal affairs above and beyond what other nations in the OECD are experiencing.

Is it as bad as it seems?

You really think this only started with Covid-19?

Aussie Pete · May 30, 2020

Zoii said:
In just a few months we have seen a country that prides itself on strength as a nation turn into a nation not coping and weak.

In the past months, we saw the USA grapple and wrestle back that curve that was climbing steeply re COVID infection and death rates. Now with the relaxation on restrictions, the rates of infection have climbed from 17000 to 25000 per day in just a week.

A president at odds with his own medical experts ie

recommendations re isolation and social distance

use of masks

ingestion or injection of disinfectants

Use of chloroquine

Riots and civil unrest across several states - some related to the a reaction against government-imposed COVID restrictions, and more recently, violent demonstrations of civil unrest against police killings.

Unemployment rates higher than the great depression
A sinking Dow Jones

Partisan divisions at their most divisive in the history of the USA
Gun Death Rates at 16500 in five months.

Each country has its issues and challenges. But as an outsider observing the USA this seems to be a country that's struggling with its own internal affairs above and beyond what other nations in the OECD are experiencing.

Is it as bad as it seems?

Unless the body of Christ gets its act together, it's going to get worse. Be assured that many other countries in the western world are struggling as well. Who would want to be in the UK right now?

disciple Clint · May 30, 2020

Zoii said:
In just a few months we have seen a country that prides itself on strength as a nation turn into a nation not coping and weak.

In the past months, we saw the USA grapple and wrestle back that curve that was climbing steeply re COVID infection and death rates. Now with the relaxation on restrictions, the rates of infection have climbed from 17000 to 25000 per day in just a week.

A president at odds with his own medical experts ie

recommendations re isolation and social distance

use of masks

ingestion or injection of disinfectants

Use of chloroquine

Riots and civil unrest across several states - some related to the a reaction against government-imposed COVID restrictions, and more recently, violent demonstrations of civil unrest against police killings.

Unemployment rates higher than the great depression
A sinking Dow Jones

Partisan divisions at their most divisive in the history of the USA
Gun Death Rates at 16500 in five months.

Each country has its issues and challenges. But as an outsider observing the USA this seems to be a country that's struggling with its own internal affairs above and beyond what other nations in the OECD are experiencing.

Is it as bad as it seems?

Well cheer up the USA has struggled with many things many times in the past, we have always come out better and stronger in the end.

tturt · May 30, 2020

"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all me. For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviourr;" I Tim 2

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and heal their land."
II Chron 7:14

Jonathan Walkerin · May 30, 2020

disciple Clint said:
Well cheer up the USA has struggled with many things many times in the past, we have always come out better and stronger in the end.

Reminds me of The Roman Empire.

Dave G. · May 30, 2020

I am quickly coming to the belief that God has loosened the net of protection on this and other nations. He is looking for a general turn back to Him because the people and governments have turned too far away. Oh it looks political and it is but evil is being unleashed and that's also what we are seeing. I've been praying since the beginning of the covid restrictions that we who are in Christ stay strong in Christ but this that we are seeing I believe will worsen. The second part of the outpouring of covid is not the illness but the foothold of evil in the land. The illness was never the issue, the frailty of man is to his own undoing, wise in his own eyes to his own destruction. And to make matters worse, this is not all that is to come imo. We have crossed a threshold in time and the door back is fully slammed shut. What we knew we will never see again, the corruption within that was far too deep and now on full display.. By the way, the USA is not an active player in the scriptures during the tribulation period. However this goes forward I'm with God in it. Don't walk by sight but by faith. So many are missing it, glued to the TV as the world unravels when we need to be glued to Jesus Christ, all sights on Him, all praise to Him and all glory be His. Man glorifies himself without God first in this age and now deny the faithfulness and truth of scripture in this age.

The only way back to strength and then it should not look like the past anyway, is if the peoples of the lands have an overall general turn back to God. They have strayed from Him, taken down His symbols in public places and put up demonic icons. Has anyone seen the backs of the newly minted US quarters ? Dedications to satanic temples using men with US flags? Baal worship traveling the globe with a model on display of the gates of baal ? Trash tv some commercials aren't even civil ? No prayer at home, going on two generations of people who have never set foot inside a church and wonder what it's even about and that's if if they wonder at all ! Speaking of church: false gospels, corruption, perverts leading in some, God says man doesn't lay down with man and in the end times women give up the natural use of their bodies for other women, Then the church comes along and hires them as priests, ministers and bishops. Gee, why is the world turning upside down ? Look to God and His word, the answers are all there. Not In Man. Amen

Zoii · May 30, 2020

Nithavela said:
You really think this only started with Covid-19?

Youve obviously got something in mind. What are you alluding to

Zoii · May 30, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
Unless the body of Christ gets its act together, it's going to get worse.

Pete I don't know what you mean by this at all.

Aussie Pete said:
Be assured that many other countries in the western world are struggling as well.

Yes I guess the troubles in USA are similar to whats now occurring in places like Brazil. Every nation has faced a major impact from COVID (if that's what you mean) That said many nations have done OK as well. I'll put New Zealand, South Korea and Australia as examples.

What we are not seeing in those examples is the breakdown in national unity. I'm dismayed by such widespread civil disharmony that's occurring in the USA now, along with the usual gun deaths. Impacting on all this is an unemployment rate that keeps climbing and seems higher than other OECD nations. Im sure that's really hitting hard on people there.

Aussie Pete said:
Who would want to be in the UK right now?

Im guessing you mean COVID and possibly BREXIT. For all that the country isn't in a state of civil unrest. I wonder what the key differences are between these OECD nations, that one nation is experiencing such internal disharmony, compared to the other.

Zoii · May 30, 2020

disciple Clint said:
the USA has struggled with many things many times in the past, we have always come out better and stronger in the end.

I guess we have to wait and see if that turns out to be true.

Zoii · May 30, 2020

Dave G. said:
I am quickly coming to the belief that God has loosened the net of protection on this and other nations. He is looking for a general turn back to Him because the people and governments have turned too far away. Oh it looks political and it is but evil is being unleashed and that's also what we are seeing. I've been praying since the beginning of the covid restrictions that we who are in Christ stay strong in Christ but this that we are seeing I believe will worsen. The second part of the outpouring of covid is not the illness but the foothold of evil in the land. The illness was never the issue, the frailty of man is to his own undoing, wise in his own eyes to his own destruction. And to make matters worse, this is not all that is to come imo. We have crossed a threshold in time and the door back is fully slammed shut. What we knew we will never see again, the corruption within that was far too deep and now on full display.. By the way, the USA is not an active player in the scriptures during the tribulation period. However this goes forward I'm with God in it. Don't walk by sight but by faith. So many are missing it, glued to the TV as the world unravels when we need to be glued to Jesus Christ, all sights on Him, all praise to Him and all glory be His. Man glorifies himself without God first in this age and now deny the faithfulness and truth of scripture in this age.

The only way back to strength and then it should not look like the past anyway, is if the peoples of the lands have an overall general turn back to God. They have strayed from Him, taken down His symbols in public places and put up demonic icons. Has anyone seen the backs of the newly minted US quarters ? Dedications to satanic temples using men with US flags? Baal worship traveling the globe with a model on display of the gates of baal ? Trash tv some commercials aren't even civil ? No prayer at home, going on two generations of people who have never set foot inside a church and wonder what it's even about and that's if if they wonder at all ! Speaking of church: false gospels, corruption, perverts leading in some, God says man doesn't lay down with man and in the end times women give up the natural use of their bodies for other women, Then the church comes along and hires them as priests, ministers and bishops. Gee, why is the world turning upside down ? Look to God and His word, the answers are all there. Not In Man. Amen

I'm curious why so many believe that these troubles - particularly events such as a pandemic - is related to people's religious convictions?

Nithavela · May 30, 2020

Zoii said:
Youve obviously got something in mind. What are you alluding to

I dont have the time to list ALL the signs of americas weakness, but I think among the top ten would be its continuous defeats in wars, the extreme income inequality and the ridiculous incarceration rate.

This stuff has been going on for years. The USA has been standing on feets of clay for decades.

Zoii · May 30, 2020

Nithavela said:
I dont have the time to list ALL the signs of americas weakness, but I think among the top ten would be its continuous defeats in wars, the extreme income inequality and the ridiculous incarceration rate.

This stuff has been going on for years. The USA has been standing on feets of clay for decades.

I'm not really talking about the gradual decline of American influence, it's more that I've really noticed a rapid decline over the past two years - everything from relations with other countries, to internal affairs.

iluvatar5150 · May 30, 2020

But we can yell at people on Twitter. Isn’t that was tough guys do?

ruthiesea · May 30, 2020

Zoii said:
In just a few months we have seen a country that prides itself on strength as a nation turn into a nation not coping and weak.

In the past months, we saw the USA grapple and wrestle back that curve that was climbing steeply re COVID infection and death rates. Now with the relaxation on restrictions, the rates of infection have climbed from 17000 to 25000 per day in just a week.

A president at odds with his own medical experts ie

recommendations re isolation and social distance

use of masks

ingestion or injection of disinfectants

Use of chloroquine

Riots and civil unrest across several states - some related to the a reaction against government-imposed COVID restrictions, and more recently, violent demonstrations of civil unrest against police killings.

Unemployment rates higher than the great depression
A sinking Dow Jones

Partisan divisions at their most divisive in the history of the USA
Gun Death Rates at 16500 in five months.

Each country has its issues and challenges. But as an outsider observing the USA this seems to be a country that's struggling with its own internal affairs above and beyond what other nations in the OECD are experiencing.

Is it as bad as it seems?

On the international stage, the nations of the world used to look to America for leadership. That is a position from which we have withdrawn by reneging on treaties and agreements that came about because of America showing the way. We are no longer the leaders of the free world, but are becoming paper tigers.

chevyontheriver · May 30, 2020

Zoii said:
What we are not seeing in those examples is the breakdown in national unity. I'm dismayed by such widespread civil disharmony that's occurring in the USA now, along with the usual gun deaths. Impacting on all this is an unemployment rate that keeps climbing and seems higher than other OECD nations. Im sure that's really hitting hard on people there.

Im guessing you mean COVID and possibly BREXIT. For all that the country isn't in a state of civil unrest. I wonder what the key differences are between these OECD nations, that one nation is experiencing such internal disharmony, compared to the other.

American disharmony is politically generated. Almost entirely. It's been growing since Ronald Reagan was president and his opposition went crazy. It's been growing since then, but took a major uptick when the second Bush was president, much more when Obama was president, and now is in hyperdrive with Trump as president. I don't see where it goes from here except civil war. It is driven by irresponsible players from both fringes of the political establishment and excludes the middle. Used to be we had a center-right party and a center-left party. Now we have a right-populist party and a left-socialist party and the middle has been vacated.

And everybody in the world seems to have a visceral reaction to what happens in America, particularly American polarized politics. Sure we have bad things going on, but the Australian judiciary vis a vis Pell isn't a pretty situation. Nor what's happening in Hong Kong. Nor are the parts of Europe falling under sharia law.

We've all had a shock with Covid-19, the Wuhan virus. But it's not a slate wiper. It will change things, but hopefully it will prepare us all for the next one, the actual slate wiper that combines the transmission abilities of a Covid with the mortality of an Ebola.

ruthiesea · May 30, 2020

A bit of a non sequitur: on the international scene, America has withdrawn from treaties and agreements that were put into place by our countries position is a world leader. We lead no longer.

l apologize for the double posting.

Speedwell · May 30, 2020

Zoii said:
I'm not really talking about the gradual decline of American influence, it's more that I've really noticed a rapid decline over the past two years - everything from relations with other countries, to internal affairs.

The answer may lie in your previous question.

Vanellus · May 30, 2020

In terms of dealing with covid-19 some countries have done better than others - largely because their governments took it seriously and acted early: making wise choices in the early stages.

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