LDS No Undeserved Blessings

Rescued One · May 27, 2020

Peter1000 said:
You just do not understand heaven, or mercy. Every single soul that has ever been born on earth

Don't be rude! I understand Mormonism. You don't accept the fact that The True Holy Spirit told me it's WRONG.

The rest of your post is useless, and IMO, garbage. Don't explain your teachings to me. I've known them for years and years and years!

Peter1000 said:
...So only those in outer darkness do not feel the love and mercy of God and Jesus. And that will be only a few people that lived on earth. All the rest will feel the love and mercy of a just God as they take their chosen places for eternity.

You are preprogrammed like a robot. You have been taught what people will feel and you accept what you were taught. Mormon kingdoms of glory don't exist.

Rescued One · May 27, 2020

He is the way said:
We are NOT saved by works, neither are we saved without them:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 6:9 - 10)

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

You preach that to Christians who believe the Bible and are already saved. Because we are Christians we are NOT unrighteous and are not deceived. Neither are we fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of ourselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners!

And all God's people say AMEN!

He is the way · May 27, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
You preach that to Christians who believe the Bible and are already saved. Because we are Christians we are NOT unrighteous and are not deceived. Neither are we fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of ourselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners!

And all God's people say AMEN!

You only think you are saved. That hasn't happened yet:
(New Testament | Matthew 24:13)

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

However, I fear that many will think they are saved and will not repent of their sins and suffer greatly because they were deceived.

Rescued One · May 28, 2020

He is the way said:
You only think you are saved. That hasn't happened yet:
(New Testament | Matthew 24:13)

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

However, I fear that many will think they are saved and will not repent of their sins and suffer greatly because they were deceived.

The saved are not deceived. They are saved, they are being saved, they will be saved. Jesus never once abandoned His sheep. NEVER!

He is the way · May 28, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
The saved are not deceived. They are saved, they are being saved, they will be saved. Jesus never once abandoned His sheep. NEVER!

It they are His sheep and follow Him:

(New Testament | John 10:27)

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

(New Testament | 1 John 2:1 - 6)

1 MY little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Rescued One · May 28, 2020

The sheep are those who have been saved by faith in Jesus. (John 3) A good shepherd cares for his sheep. Jesus is THE GOOD SHEPHERD.

Daniel 4
35And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

He is the way · May 28, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
The sheep are those who have been saved by faith in Jesus. (John 3) A good shepherd cares for his sheep. Jesus is THE GOOD SHEPHERD.

Daniel 4
35And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Jesus told us who the sheep are:

(New Testament | Matthew 25:31 - 46)

31 ¶ When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Rescued One · May 28, 2020

Yes, I know Jesus and Jesus knows me:

Peter1000 · May 29, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
Yes, I know Jesus and Jesus knows me:
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The only way to really know if you or I are his sheep is to look at our lives through the lens of Matthew 25. Right?

Rescued One · May 29, 2020

John 3
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

1 John 3
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you. 14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. 15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

Following the wrong gods and the commandments and doctrines of Joseph Smith is not truth or eternal life.

He is the way · May 30, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
John 3
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

1 John 3
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you. 14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. 15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

Following the wrong gods and the commandments and doctrines of Joseph Smith is not truth or eternal life.

(New Testament | Matthew 4:4)

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

(New Testament | John 14:21)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

(New Testament | Hebrews 5:8 - 14)

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

(Book of Mormon | Moroni 7:5 - 18)

5 For I remember the word of God which saith by their works ye shall know them; for if their works be good, then they are good also.
6 For behold, God hath said a man being evil cannot do that which is good; for if he offereth a gift, or prayeth unto God, except he shall do it with real intent it profiteth him nothing.
7 For behold, it is not counted unto him for righteousness.
8 For behold, if a man being evil giveth a gift, he doeth it grudgingly; wherefore it is counted unto him the same as if he had retained the gift; wherefore he is counted evil before God.
9 And likewise also is it counted evil unto a man, if he shall pray and not with real intent of heart; yea, and it profiteth him nothing, for God receiveth none such.
10 Wherefore, a man being evil cannot do that which is good; neither will he give a good gift.
11 For behold, a bitter fountain cannot bring forth good water; neither can a good fountain bring forth bitter water; wherefore, a man being a servant of the devil cannot follow Christ; and if he follow Christ he cannot be a servant of the devil.
12 Wherefore, all things which are good cometh of God; and that which is evil cometh of the devil; for the devil is an enemy unto God, and fighteth against him continually, and inviteth and enticeth to sin, and to do that which is evil continually.
13 But behold, that which is of God inviteth and enticeth to do good continually; wherefore, every thing which inviteth and enticeth to do good, and to love God, and to serve him, is inspired of God.
14 Wherefore, take heed, my beloved brethren, that ye do not judge that which is evil to be of God, or that which is good and of God to be of the devil.
15 For behold, my brethren, it is given unto you to judge, that ye may know good from evil; and the way to judge is as plain, that ye may know with a perfect knowledge, as the daylight is from the dark night.
16 For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God.
17 But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him.
18 And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged.

Rescued One · May 30, 2020

He is the way said:
(New Testament | Matthew 4:4)

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

The words of Joseph Smith are not from God. Those who preach them are followers of false prophets.

He is the way said:
(New Testament | John 14:21)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Romans 8
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Apart from Jesus our works are as filthy rags. All credit goes to God; no credit goes to Joseph Smith.

Joseph Smith did not have the Spirit of Christ. Yet Mormons sing praises to Joseph Smith in their Sunday meetings.

He is the way said:
(New Testament | Hebrews 5:8 - 14)

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

John 14:6
JESUS saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

LIES:
"This Church is the ensign on the mountain spoken of by the Old Testament prophets. It is the way, the truth, and the life."
Marion G. Romney, Conference Report, April, 1961, p. 119

If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 1979, p. 670

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world."
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270

He is the way · May 30, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
The words of Joseph Smith are not from God. Those who preach them are followers of false prophets.

Romans 8
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Apart from Jesus our works are as filthy rags. All credit goes to God; no credit goes to Joseph Smith.

Joseph Smith did not have the Spirit of Christ. Yet Mormons sing praises to Joseph Smith in their Sunday meetings.

John 14:6
JESUS saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

LIES:
"This Church is the ensign on the mountain spoken of by the Old Testament prophets. It is the way, the truth, and the life."
Marion G. Romney, Conference Report, April, 1961, p. 119

If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 1979, p. 670

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world."
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270

Joseph Smith had the spirit of Christ as evidenced by the Book of Mormon. I know that the scriptures I posted from the Book of Mormon are true. Someday everyone will know they are true.

Rescued One · May 30, 2020

The bubble you're in will burst.

Peter1000 · May 30, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
Don't be rude! I understand Mormonism. You don't accept the fact that The True Holy Spirit told me it's WRONG.

The rest of your post is useless, and IMO, garbage. Don't explain your teachings to me. I've known them for years and years and years!

You are preprogrammed like a robot. You have been taught what people will feel and you accept what you were taught. Mormon kingdoms of glory don't exist.

Oh, they exist, it is the explanation as to why a person that is a believer, but is a not willing to work to bring fruit into the kingdom of God is accepted into heaven, but will not be in the same level as God or Jesus.

IOW We believe in Christ, and are saved in heaven, but we are not willing to do good works, so they are not in the highest level of heaven. Perfect explanation.

But a person that believes and is saved in heaven and is also willing to put their shoulder to the wheel, and bring much fruit into the kingdom of God will end up in the highest level of heaven.

You try to explain what it means that we will be judged according to our good works. It is how God separates the good sheep from the bad goats. The sheep knew their master and did good, and will be in the highest level of heaven.
The goats also know their master, but did bad, and will not be in the highest level of heaven. (Matthew 25)
Everlasting punishment means that the goats will not be in the same place as God and Jesus. IOW a lower level of heaven.

You see, the bible is very clear about how it works. JS and the degrees of glory is spot on perfect to explain where a person is going to land in heaven.

Rescued One · May 31, 2020

Peter1000 said:
...You see, the bible is very clear about how it works. JS and the degrees of
glory is spot on perfect to explain where a person is going to land in heaven.

Mormons have the utmost disrespect for the Bible. I lived with Mormons, went to religious meetings with Mormons, was taught by Mormons, etc. for years on end. The Bible isn't clear at all to Mormons!

Mormon view of the Bible:
1 Nephi 13:28-29 Plain and precious things taken away from the Bible
28 Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God.

29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity, thou seest—because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the book, which were plain unto the understanding of the children of men, according to the plainness which is in the Lamb of God—because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an exceedingly great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them.
1 Nephi 13

Rescued One · May 31, 2020

Peter1000 said:
Oh, they exist, it is the explanation as to why a person that is a believer, but is a not willing to work to bring fruit into the kingdom of God is accepted into heaven, but will not be in the same level as God or Jesus.

The willingness of the sheep to follow Christ and His Light is evident in the Bible.

Without Him, humans can do nothing. Without Him, there is no willingness to obey Him.

Peter1000 said:
IOW We believe in Christ, and are saved in heaven, but we are not willing to do good works,

Those are the words of demons. Why would you quote demons?

Peter1000 said:
so they are not in the highest level of heaven. Perfect explanation.

Christians know that demons can't be saved.

Peter1000 said:
But a person that believes and is saved in heaven and is also willing to put their shoulder to the wheel, and bring much fruit into the kingdom of God will end up in the highest level of heaven.

2 Corinthians 5
16Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Your continued ignoring of these verses doesn't change the words of God. Verses 16-19 will always be the words of God.

Peter1000 said:
You try to explain what it means that we will be judged according to our good works. It is how God separates the good sheep from the bad goats. The sheep knew their master and did good, and will be in the highest level of heaven.
The goats also know their master, but did bad, and will not be in the highest level of heaven.

The goats don't follow the Shepherd. How did you come up with that?

Peter1000 said:
(Matthew 25)
Everlasting punishment means that the goats will not be in the same place as God and Jesus.

We never claimed that goats are going to heaven!

Matthew 25
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

His sheep, the goats! Please read that again.

There will be no goats with Jesus. They don't belong to Him.

Peter1000 said:
IOW a lower level of heaven.

There is no such place.

Peter1000 · May 31, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
Mormons have the utmost disrespect for the Bible. I lived with Mormons, went to religious meetings with Mormons, was taught by Mormons, etc. for years on end. The Bible isn't clear at all to Mormons!

Mormon view of the Bible:
1 Nephi 13:28-29 Plain and precious things taken away from the Bible
28 Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God.

29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity, thou seest—because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the book, which were plain unto the understanding of the children of men, according to the plainness which is in the Lamb of God—because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an exceedingly great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them.
1 Nephi 13

Many Christian scholars agree with JS about the Bible. We are not against the bible. It is one of our scriptures that we read every day. You have no monopoly on the bible. We love the bible, but we understand why it has confused billions of people into thousands of different churches, all teaching different doctrines from hundreds of different translations of the bible.

What needed to happen, did happen, God and Jesus brought another prophet to the world to help straighten out the misconceptions people have with the bible and get to the truth of such basic concepts as "baptism". You and I do not even agree on the most basic ordinance of "baptism". How can we possibly agree on anything else?

Do your believe that Jesus made it clear in the bible that a man must be baptized?

Peter1000 · May 31, 2020

Phoebe Ann says:

Those are the words of demons. Why would you quote demons?

Talking about heaven are the words of demons? Think again?
2 Corinthians 12:2 King James Version (KJV)
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

such an one caught up to the third heaven.

Now I would be on biblical grounds to think that if there is a third heaven, there is a second heaven and a first heaven.
Some Christians have got together to discuss what these heavens are. They came up with the idea that the first heaven is just above the earth. The second heaven is our galaxie, and the third heaven is far into the universe.
Well if that is how you interpret what the implications are of this scripture, fine. We interpret it a little different.
Our interpretation is as good as yours, so who is to say which one is right?

But is everything I say about our belief in heaven, the words of demons? You need to apologize for being so rude.

The goats don't follow the Shepherd. How did you come up with that?

Goats know their master, but do not follow him. Therefore they will not be with Christ in heaven. The will not be in the highest (first heaven), but according to their works they may be in the second heaven (second heaven), or they could, if they are real bad, end up in the lowest heaven (third heaven).

We never claimed that goats are going to heaven!

Everyone, except for a few, are going to one of the levels of heaven. Remember:
Romans 14:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. What are the requirements to get into heaven?
So all will go, it just depends now on their good works as to which level of heaven they get into.

There will be no goats with Jesus. They don't belong to Him.

You are right, but they will eventually bow their knees and confess him their Savior. Then find themselves in the third heaven where Christ will not visit.

There is no such place.

There is a biblical place in fact, remember:
2 Corinthians 12:2 King James Version (KJV)
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

such an one caught up to the third heaven.
We believe the third heaven is the lowest heaven, and this is where the goats will go, because they bowed their knees and confessed Jesus their Savior, but their works were none, so they go to this level of heaven.[/QUOTE]

Peter1000 · May 31, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
The bubble you're in will burst.

It will burst and cover the whole earth with the doctrines of Christ. In the next 10 years you will see millions coming to the Church of Jesus Christ as the gospel message is spoken in all tongues of the world and all people will hear and will be baptized member of the church.

The second coming is coming and the Lord will send his spirit especially for the purpose of getting the world ready for his second coming and we will all be necessary to prepare the world for that great event. So keep in touch and keep watching and maybe you can learn what you can do to help get the world ready for the great second coming of Christ.

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