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From reading the New Testament, I don't believe the food laws are still in effect today.

But would it still be good to follow for respect to God, and healthier? God gave this law for a reason did he, and what was the reason for? Was it to protect the health of his people?

This came to mind because I was researching an extreme primitive raw food diet, that includes drinking animal blood, and rotting flesh :scratch::sick::sick:. Sounds pretty gross, but apparently the people who have been doing this are healthy and claim to have research to back what they do.

And then there is the other extreme diet of Vegan. But people back in the Old Testament times have been eating meat, and I find most Vegans to be anti-God and Anti-Bible. And just by looking a lot of them, they look malnourished.
 

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But would it still be good to follow for respect to God, and healthier?
Our Apostle Paul says what we eat does not decide if God is pleased with us.

Titus 1:15

1 Corinthians 8:8

What matters, among other things, is that we are not "under the power of" food >

"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any." (1 Corinthians 6:12)

Hebrews 13:9 >

"Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them." (Hebrews 13:9)

So, it is not scriptural for me to be preoccupied with food, so that I am "under the power of" it.

God gave this law for a reason did he, and what was the reason for? Was it to protect the health of his people?
My opinion . . . since I was not there and the Bible does not directly say > I would say health could have been included. Because God would know what is practical.

Also, God had committed Himself to maintaining a genealogical line from Abraham to the Jews and then through the Jews to Jesus. So, there needed to be a line of flesh and blood Jews all the way to Jesus. And the rules of the Law of Moses were very different than the ways of Gentiles; so that could help to keep Jews and Gentiles culturally separate so they would not mix so much that there would be no Jews to continue a line to Jesus, like God had decided to do.

I find most Vegans to be anti-God and Anti-Bible. And just by looking a lot of them, they look malnourished.
I see you have said "most". And ones who are more imbalanced can be the ones who are in your face with more aggressive and judgmental dietary dictation . . . trying to be your dictator. So, such ones can seem to represent all vegans, since they are in your face so much . . . while any quiet and gentle and humble ones might not be noticed.
 
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I don’t follow a kosher diet and I’m in great health. I’ve never had high blood pressure, high cholesterol, diabetes, etc. and I eat meat.

But I also have a seasonal whole foods diet that’s wholly organic with sustainably raised meat, poultry and fish. I practice portion control and exercise. I don’t consume refined sugar, flour, soda, and limit my intake of processed food. There are places I never eat, like McDonald’s. That’s the difference. Wise choices and temperance.

~Bella
 
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But would it still be good to follow for respect to God, and healthier? God gave this law for a reason did he, and what was the reason for? Was it to protect the health of his people?

The laws were partly to protect the Israelites and partly to make them different, to stand out.

There are no requirements to follow the OT food laws, common sense says eat a healthy balanced diet.
 
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From reading the New Testament, I don't believe the food laws are still in effect today...

I believe all God’s laws are still valid, because Jesus said:

Don't think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill. For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat. 5:17-19

So, it would be better not to eat anything unclean. However, it maybe that some foods are just not anymore unclean, that previously were, and therefore it is not against the law to eat them.

And as you said, I believe God doesn’t give laws without good reason. That is why I think it would be better to obey them.
 
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I believe God doesn’t give laws without good reason. That is why I think it would be better to obey them.
Well, I would say, then, that God has spiritual and emotional dietary laws, which guide us so we feed on His love.

For one example > we have His dietary directive which helps us not to feed on emotional and spiritual stuff which can get us into complaining and arguing >

"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain." (Philippians 2:14-16)

By feeding on God's gentle and humble and quiet love, we become spiritually and emotionally healthy so we do not give in to the mental and heart chaos which degrades us from how we can love. God's peace almighty guards us against evil and cruel things, while we pray the way His love has us praying >

"Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (Philippians 4:6-7)

So, there is no excuse to keep feeding on mental and heart chaos and a diet of excuses for chaos in us, because God's peace almighty "will guard you hearts and minds through Christ Jesus."
 
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"Archaeology has proved it to have been a ban on a pagan practice. Findings at Ugarit [an ancient city whose ruins are located on the Syrian coast] have shown that it was the custom there to boil a kid in its mother’s milk as a lucky charm." Food Laws in the Bible | My Jewish Learning

God would know about trichinellosis.

Pigs were used in religious contexts: "Hittites and Pig Consumption Pig consumption among the Hittites was governed by a complex set of principles and the determiners were factors like status, gender, and the level of cultic influence from the religious sanctuaries. (Billie Jean Collins, “Pigs at the Gate: Hittite Sacrifice in its Eastern Mediterranean context” JANER 6 [Koninklijke Brill NV, Leiden, 2006]: 155-187; also available online—www.brill.nl). For anyone working with the concepts of pigs in the Ancient Near East, this scholar’s work is mandatory. Whenever a few texts are making reference to the eating of pork, in Hittite texts, they are in a ritualized context, suggesting that special religious significance was sometimes attached to the eating of pork (Collins 2006: 155). That is one reason why she concluded in one of her articles, that the consumption of pork in Hittite Anatolia “is unlikely to have been a simple matter of geography or ethnicity, but was governed by a complex set of principles involving determiners like status, gender, and the level of cultic influence from religious sanctuaries.2 Looking at other text in cultures surrounding the Hittites, Collins concluded that the sacrifice of pigs in the Hittite culture was a private matter. She found that they were killed to ensure the wellbeing of the Hittite community and the fertility of humans and crops. There was a festival performed in Istanuwa and there may be a correlation, she thinks, between the practice to sacrifice a pig at the ratification of treaties. The pig was used as a substitute for human sacrifice (Collins 2006: 155)." http://www.ijhssnet.com/journals/Vol_4_No_13_November_2014/15.pdf

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People Ate Pork in the Middle East Until 1,000 B.C.—What Changed? | Smart News | Smithsonian Magazine

Purity and Danger by Mary Douglas argued that the issue was one of symbolic religious boundary maintenance.

Retrieving the Past: Essays on Archaeological Research and Methodology edited by Joe D. Seger
 
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From reading the New Testament, I don't believe the food laws are still in effect today.

But would it still be good to follow for respect to God, and healthier? God gave this law for a reason did he, and what was the reason for? Was it to protect the health of his people?

This came to mind because I was researching an extreme primitive raw food diet, that includes drinking animal blood, and rotting flesh :scratch::sick::sick:. Sounds pretty gross, but apparently the people who have been doing this are healthy and claim to have research to back what they do.

And then there is the other extreme diet of Vegan. But people back in the Old Testament times have been eating meat, and I find most Vegans to be anti-God and Anti-Bible. And just by looking a lot of them, they look malnourished.
Many Seventh Day Adventists are vegan or vegetarian, reading the Bible and healthy. Loma Linda has more Adventists living to the age of 100 than other parts of North America. Dan Buettner wrote about them in his book, “The Blue Zones Solution.”
 
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From reading the New Testament, I don't believe the food laws are still in effect today.

But would it still be good to follow for respect to God, and healthier? God gave this law for a reason did he, and what was the reason for? Was it to protect the health of his people?

This came to mind because I was researching an extreme primitive raw food diet, that includes drinking animal blood, and rotting flesh :scratch::sick::sick:. Sounds pretty gross, but apparently the people who have been doing this are healthy and claim to have research to back what they do.

And then there is the other extreme diet of Vegan. But people back in the Old Testament times have been eating meat, and I find most Vegans to be anti-God and Anti-Bible. And just by looking a lot of them, they look malnourished.

God gave the dietary laws to Israel as a mark of their distinctiveness as a people. It had everything to do with ritual purity, not bodily health. The truth is is that a lot of the ritually unclean foods are as, or even more healthy than some of the ritually clean foods.

You are free to follow the Jewish dietary restrictions as a personal choice if that's what you want, but it won't make any difference in terms of your relationship toward God.

I would avoid the whole concept of diet fads. If you want a specialized diet to eat healthy, talk to a nutritionist who knows your particular medical history and needs, and can provide some guidance on what and how to eat. Most likely it'll come down to portion size, less meat, more vegetables, complex over simple carbs, etc.

There's no magic one size fits all diet. But basic guidelines like eating balanced meals, and nutritionally substantial foods over empty calorie fillers--the sort of common sense stuff we've basically known forever anyway--will go a long way.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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From reading the New Testament, I don't believe the food laws are still in effect today.

But would it still be good to follow for respect to God, and healthier? God gave this law for a reason did he, and what was the reason for? Was it to protect the health of his people?

This came to mind because I was researching an extreme primitive raw food diet, that includes drinking animal blood, and rotting flesh :scratch::sick:. Sounds pretty gross, but apparently the people who have been doing this are healthy and claim to have research to back what they do.

And then there is the other extreme diet of Vegan. But people back in the Old Testament times have been eating meat, and I find most Vegans to be anti-God and Anti-Bible. And just by looking a lot of them, they look malnourished.

Peter said in Acts 10 he still knew about not eating rats/cats/bats etc and each time God said to eat such things Peter responded as if his faith was being "tested" to see if he would transgress scripture. That is an interesting scenario repeated 3 times. Then Peter is sent on a witnessing/evangelism mission and given 3 openings over the remainder of the book of Acts to "explain" the "eat cats/rats/dogs/bats" vision. And each time HE said it was teaching him the lesson "call no MAN unclean".

Nothing there about "rat sandwiches now available at potluck".

And the food issue shows up in Genesis 7 long before Sinai or Moses or any Jew at all ever stepped foot on earth.

It even gets mentioned in Isaiah 66 talking about the end of the world.

So I think the Lev 11 food rules for "What is food" deserve a close look.
 
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Isn't it interesting that when the three messengers from God arrived at Abraham's tent he served them meat and dairy together. Non-kosher!

Genesis 18: 6-8, "So Abraham hurried into the tent and said to Sarah, “Quick! Take three measures of fine flour, knead it, and make bread.” Then Abraham ran to the herd and chose a fine, tender calf, and gave it to a servant, who quickly prepared it. Abraham then took some curds and milk, along with the calf that had been prepared, and placed the food before them. They ate while he was standing near them under a tree."
 
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Isn't it interesting that when the three messengers from God arrived at Abraham's tent he served them meat and dairy together. Non-kosher!

Genesis 18: 6-8, "So Abraham hurried into the tent and said to Sarah, “Quick! Take three measures of fine flour, knead it, and make bread.” Then Abraham ran to the herd and chose a fine, tender calf, and gave it to a servant, who quickly prepared it. Abraham then took some curds and milk, along with the calf that had been prepared, and placed the food before them. They ate while he was standing near them under a tree."

Gen 18 did not say "calf boiled in milk" or "calf boiled in its mothers milk". Ex 23:19 "“You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.”

So now then are you saying you have a tradition where that becomes "you shall not have milk and beef at the same meal"??

Well then "yeah" I do find that interesting.
 
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From reading the New Testament, I don't believe the food laws are still in effect today.
The food laws don't sem to have prevented John the Baptist from eating bugs. And anyway, God put paid to the food laws as far as Christians are concerned when He showed Peter all kinds of "unclean" critters and told him to kill and eat them. (SDAs will tell you that meant don't call Gentiles unclean, which is true but doesn't really address the "kill and eat" part.) St. Paul kinda drove in the wedge on the subject in 1 Corinthians 10 25Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: 26For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.

But would it still be good to follow for respect to God, and healthier?
Respect to God? No, as St. Paul just said. God said you can eat it, eat it. Health's sake? Yeah, there's some stuff better for you than others. If you eat nothing but sugar cookies slathered with butter you aren't violating any dietary laws of any kind, but you aren't doing yourself any favors either. Use your head.

God gave this law for a reason did he, and what was the reason for?
Primarily for the same reason that a lot of the other laws were about - to separate the Jews from the heathens.

Was it to protect the health of his people?
If so I reckon He'd have had more to say about food handling rather than which ones to eat.

This came to mind because I was researching an extreme primitive raw food diet, that includes drinking animal blood, and rotting flesh :scratch::sick::sick:. Sounds pretty gross, but apparently the people who have been doing this are healthy and claim to have research to back what they do.
Yeah, there were siome of those folks up in the mountaiuns in Colorado last year dined on some raw marmot that they had acquired by some means. Killed 'em all deader than Julius Caesar - old reliable Y Pestis, aka Bubonic Plague. Still available in rodents near you. Moral of the story, don't eat raw wild rodents, or, IMO, anything that's just intuitively nasty.

And then there is the other extreme diet of Vegan. But people back in the Old Testament times have been eating meat, and I find most Vegans to be anti-God and Anti-Bible. And just by looking a lot of them, they look malnourished.
I know some nice Christian vegans. Trick with vegans is geting enough protein, which is difficult from plant-only sources. Otherwise, why not? You're not likely to come up with an E Coli infection anyway (assuming you wash your food.)
 
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Gen 18 did not say "calf boiled in milk" or "calf boiled in its mothers milk". Ex 23:19 "“You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.”

So now then you have a tradition where that becomes "you shall not have milk and beef at the same meal"??

Well then "yeah" I do find that interesting.

I'm not following what you're saying. So it says in Exodus that, "You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.”. So??

My point is that dietary laws such as keeping kosher are not Biblical. They are a human invention only; a tradition that supposedly pleases God.

According to kosher tradition, any food categorized as meat may never be served or eaten at the same meal as a dairy product. Furthermore, all utensils and equipment used to process and clean meat and dairy must be kept separate — even down to the sinks in which they're washed.

Kashrut—Jewish dietary laws
Certain foods, notably pork and shellfish, are forbidden; meat and dairy may not be combined and meat must be ritually slaughtered and salted to remove all traces of blood. Observant Jews will eat only meat or poultry that is certified kosher.
 
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Isn't it interesting that when the three messengers from God arrived at Abraham's tent he served them meat and dairy together. Non-kosher!

Genesis 18: 6-8, "So Abraham hurried into the tent and said to Sarah, “Quick! Take three measures of fine flour, knead it, and make bread.” Then Abraham ran to the herd and chose a fine, tender calf, and gave it to a servant, who quickly prepared it. Abraham then took some curds and milk, along with the calf that had been prepared, and placed the food before them. They ate while he was standing near them under a tree."

Gen 18 did not say "calf boiled in milk" or "calf boiled in its mothers milk". Ex 23:19 "“You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.”

So now then are you saying you have a tradition where that becomes "you shall not have milk and beef at the same meal"??

Well then "yeah" I do find that interesting.

I'm not following what you're saying. So it says in Exodus that, "You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.”. So??

And is it your claim that in Genesis 18 it says "And Abraham boiled a kid in its mother's milk"?

Is that the way your translation of the Bible reads??
 
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The food laws don't sem to have prevented John the Baptist from eating bugs.

Given that statement - I assume you have not actually read Leviticus 11
20 ‘All the winged insects that walk on all fours are detestable to you. 21 Yet these you may eat among all the winged insects which walk on all fours: those which have above their feet jointed legs with which to jump on the earth. 22 These of them you may eat: the locust in its kinds, and the devastating locust in its kinds, and the cricket in its kinds, and the grasshopper in its kinds. 23 But all other winged insects which are four-footed are detestable to you.

And there is this -

"One popular understanding of John the Baptist’s time in the wilderness is that, though the text says he ate “locusts and wild honey,” he actually ate locust bean pods, not insects. This has become such a part of Christian mythology that the carob tree , which produces edible bean pods and is native to the Middle East, is also known as St. John’s Bread."
 
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From reading the New Testament, I don't believe the food laws are still in effect today.

But would it still be good to follow for respect to God, and healthier? God gave this law for a reason did he, and what was the reason for? Was it to protect the health of his people?

This came to mind because I was researching an extreme primitive raw food diet, that includes drinking animal blood, and rotting flesh :scratch::sick::sick:. Sounds pretty gross, but apparently the people who have been doing this are healthy and claim to have research to back what they do.

And then there is the other extreme diet of Vegan. But people back in the Old Testament times have been eating meat, and I find most Vegans to be anti-God and Anti-Bible. And just by looking a lot of them, they look malnourished.

If you will like to see a scientific examination of the food laws let me know. God indeed have a reason for every food law and all the animals labelled unclean are not best for health. God didn't just give those laws because he wanted Israel to be different. He wanted his people to be healthy. Does he still want his people to be healthy today? If you want to see that video let me know.
 
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Gen 18 did not say "calf boiled in milk" or "calf boiled in its mothers milk". Ex 23:19 "“You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.”

So now then are you saying you have a tradition where that becomes "you shall not have milk and beef at the same meal"??

Well then "yeah" I do find that interesting.



And is it your claim that in Genesis 18 it says "And Abraham boiled a kid in its mother's milk"?

Is that the way your translation of the Bible reads??

FYI, I am reprinting what I said above about keeping Kosher...

According to kosher tradition, any food categorized as meat may never be served or eaten at the same meal as a dairy product. Furthermore, all utensils and equipment used to process and clean meat and dairy must be kept separate — even down to the sinks in which they're washed.

Abraham served meat and dairy in the same meal to God's messengers. So he violated the tradition of Kosher.

Can't you understand that?
 
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From reading the New Testament, I don't believe the food laws are still in effect today.

But would it still be good to follow for respect to God, and healthier? God gave this law for a reason did he, and what was the reason for? Was it to protect the health of his people?

This came to mind because I was researching an extreme primitive raw food diet, that includes drinking animal blood, and rotting flesh :scratch::sick::sick:. Sounds pretty gross, but apparently the people who have been doing this are healthy and claim to have research to back what they do.

There are night and day difference between how healthy it is to eat clean and unclean animals. For example, if wouldn't drink dirty water, then why would you think it would be a good idea to eat an oyster after it had filtered that water? However, God associated it with acting in accordance with His holiness, so there is much more to it than that. In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to do that, which includes refraining from eating unclean animals (Leviticus 11:44-45). In 1 Peter 2:9-10, Gentiles are part of a holy nation, and there is no point in a Gentile wanting to become part of a holy nation while wanting nothing to do with following God's instructions for how to live as part of a holy nation. The only way for instructions for how to act in accordance with God's eternal holiness to no longer be in effect would be if God's eternal holiness were to become no longer in effect.

And then there is the other extreme diet of Vegan. But people back in the Old Testament times have been eating meat, and I find most Vegans to be anti-God and Anti-Bible. And just by looking a lot of them, they look malnourished.
There are times when God commanded His people to eat meat, such as to eat of the Passover lamb, so there is nothing inherently wrong with eating clean animals.
 
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There are night and day difference between how healthy it is to eat clean and unclean animals. For example, if wouldn't drink dirty water, then why would you think it would be a good idea to eat an oyster after it had filtered that water? However, God associated it with acting in accordance with His holiness, so there is much more to it than that. In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to do that, which includes refraining from eating unclean animals (Leviticus 11:44-45). In 1 Peter 2:9-10, Gentiles are part of a holy nation, and there is no point in a Gentile wanting to become part of a holy nation while wanting nothing to do with following God's instructions for how to live as part of a holy nation. The only way for instructions for how to act in accordance with God's eternal holiness to no longer be in effect would be if God's eternal holiness were to become no longer in effect.


There are times when God commanded His people to eat meat, such as to eat of the Passover lamb, so there is nothing inherently wrong with eating clean animals.

Acts 10:9-15, "About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

“Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

If you want to eat according to Old Testament law or today's kosher requirements go ahead. According to what God told Peter, you can eat what you want, including reptiles. It makes no difference to God.
 
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