Looters ransack Target store
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You are condoning looting if you feel that someone can't be mad at both the murder and the destroying 132 businesses at last count.
It's not an either or circumstance. Human Beings - in case you haven't grasped - can have feelings of mourning towards both. They can be outraged by both. They can have empathy and compassion towards both. Open your mind! Even Floyd's family is saddened by what is happening to these businesses.
It's much more than unfortunate. Between Covid and then having everything destroyed by fire and looting? You do realize people have committed suicide over these types of things. Right? They and their families will NOT be OKAY.
The rest of them you don't know for certain if they will be OKAY - eventually or not do you? Death is the most tragic, but don't assume and minimize these people's lives and futures. It's about them being targeted over something that had nothing to do with their actions. Looters are criminals, and so are murders. Both should be scorned.
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That's quite a statement. So you give a thumbs up as a Christian to be breaking the Commandment of love. John 15:12 And what did Jesus say the GOLDEN RULE, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you!" Matt 7:12 So why do you think Jesus said that? Perhaps because we're not to hurt people and do unlovely things? Your reasoning seems to be an eye for an eye....in fact even more than that......it's not hurt those who hurt you but hurt, (albeit even financially speaking) attack and walk out of love towards the innocent! Are people who had their businesses destroyed innocent or not? They are! So why shouldn't that settle the issue for you? And I see you call yourself agapelove. Agapelove? I won't doubt your sincerity but I can't even come close to understanding how you're reasoning the way you do. In this I guess we'll just have to disagree without being disagreeable. PEACE
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Unfortunately for you, the blind one is you. You are set in your mind. You will continue to justify the damages done to the innocent people as acceptable collateral as long as it is in the name of justice for George Floyd.
Unlike you and the rioters, I can empathised with both George Floyd cause and the innocent people who had their property burnt and looted.
It doesn't matter what the rioters want to call themselves Black Lives Matter or the UN Peace Keepers. Wrong is wrong.
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Capitalism = looters torching people's businesses? Really? That's how capitalism works?
And let's not pretend that only "evil corporations" were the only ones targeted here.
No one is requiring you to do so. But blase comments to the effect of "oh well it doesn't matter because a corporation was involved and it's all probably insured anyway" add precisely zero to the solution and just appear to be making excusing for criminal behaviour. Criminal behaviour which is detracting from the real problem here, that a man was murdered by the police.
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agapelove
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Are we counting now? Let's compare with the 1,134 deaths of black men at the hands of police in ONE SINGLE YEAR.
If your outrage at the looting is proportionate to the outrage of what caused it then how is that having compassion and empathy? In case you are unaware recent videos have surfaced of a potential undercover cop planted at the protests inciting violence. This has always been what it's about! Covering up tracks of the guilty and redirecting public attention to the innocent. There is something extremely sinister going on here. How you have any sense of trust in the system at this point is beyond me!
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Charged with murder 3 and manslaughter 2. I doubt that they will get a conviction on that first charge.
The complaint is here: https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/wp-c...15909630/2020/05/27-CR-20-12646-complaint.pdf
Key sections:
While Officer Kueng was speaking with the front seat passenger, Officer Lane ordered Mr. Floyd out of the
car, put his hands on Mr. Floyd, and pulled him out of the car. Officer Lane handcuffed Mr. Floyd. Mr. Floyd
actively resisted being handcuffed.
Once handcuffed, Mr. Floyd became compliant and walked with Officer Lane to the sidewalk and sat on the
ground at Officer Lane’s direction. In a conversation that lasted just under two minutes, Officer Lang asked
Mr. Floyd for his name and identification. Officer Lane asked Mr. Lloyd if he was “on anything” and
explained that he was arresting Mr. Lloyd for passing counterfeit currency.
Officers Kueng and Lane stood Mr. Floyd up and attempted to walk Mr. Floyd to their squad car (MPD 320)
at 8:14 p.m. Mr. Floyd stiffened up, fell to the ground, and told the officers he was claustrophobic.
MPD Officers Derek Chauvin (the defendant) and Tou Thoa then arrived in a separate squad car.
The officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the backseat of squad 320 from the driver’s side.
Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, saying
he was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still. Mr. Floyd is over six feet tall and weighs more than
200 pounds.
While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe. The
defendant went to the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lane and
Kueng assisted.
The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd
went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd’s back and Lane held his legs. The
defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd’s head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, “I can’t breathe”
multiple times and repeatedly said, “Mama” and “please,” as well. The defendant and the other two officers
stayed in their positions.
The officers said, “You are talking fine” to Mr. Floyd as he continued to move back and forth. Lane asked,
“should we roll him on his side?” and the defendant said, “No, staying put where we got him.” Officer Lane
said, “I am worried about excited delirium or whatever.” The defendant said, “That’s why we have him on his
stomach.” None of the three officers moved from their positions.
BWC video shows Mr. Floyd continue to move and breathe. At 8:24:24, Mr. Floyd stopped moving. At 8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said, “want to roll him on
his side.” Kueng checked Mr. Floyd’s right wrist for a pulse and said, “I couldn’t find one.” None of the
officers moved from their positions.
At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and emergency medical
personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd
was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.
The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full
report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed
no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had
underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The
combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any
potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.
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If I a may ask a question.. who exactly is killing these unarmed black people? By whose hands? The police?
I believe we may be at a point of realising a commonality between races in america. The police and their hopped up egos are off the chain.
Yes, there is.
I get this statement. In fact I'm hoping to hit the reset button and put a new power structure in place.
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That's including all the black men, young and old, who were armed and shooting.
When I googled a random sample, they were all shootings by police, but not murders; some cases involved realistic-looking replica weapons.
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Yes, the news is counting the people's places of work, and businesses that were destroyed because of looting. Yet, according to you we are to only be concerned about one group - and not both.
So, you are condoning looting of innocence. Why? I guess because you are the expert to tell other humans they are only to be concerned with what you want them to be.
I'll stick with being concerned about both thank you.
How are you gauging my outrage? You don't know me. So, take a breath and stop judging something you have no idea on how to gauge. People are allowed to be concerned about MORE than one thing. Reality check: We don't need your permission to do so either.
I read about Mr. hammer man. Not to many people are naive enough to think that his actions could cover up murder on video. The tracks of guilt are on tape, and they don't get erased or vanish due to his actions. Responsible protestors come out in the daylight, and demand justice. Looters, rioters and other selfish evil people come out at night to destroy because they have plenty of people enabling their behavior. Make excuses for them like you have. You might have bystanders out there too, but I guess they were smart enough NOT to allow Mr. Hammer man to 'incite' them. (eye rolls) Will miracles never cease.
It seems you aren't reading this thread very well either. I blame the system for this happening again and again. They (the powers that be) all call for action, blame racism, all police and everything else under the sun every time. Yet, they have the power to change things....and never do. They love to move their lips, and draw on emotions. No one notices that their words and actions never change. They are redirecting angry that should be pointed at them...and they are very successful at it too. People fall for it hook, line and sinker each time. They will have a temporary pressure time, and then it will go away. If accountability comes to close for comfort again? They will use those magically buzzwords that inflame people to use their emotions instead of their head to see they are deflecting their lack of action once again. That's the sinister part most miss. It seems including you.
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You still do not get it. The looting and the riots are a form of PROTEST. Demonstrators have no "PROTOCOL" but you know who does? THE POWERS THAT BE. While their job is to protect the well being and happiness of the everyday citizen instead they're busy protecting their own while convincing you that the everyday citizen is the one that's "selfish and evil"! YOU are the one obviously falling for this. Mr. Hammer Man exposed just how far they are willing to go. And while you're distracted, concerned about the wrong people, they release a BS autopsy report AND reveal that David Chauvin and George Floyd use to be coworkers. Raising the degree on the charge is something that is very possible now and many people are calling for it, but you're over here crying about some smashed windows and empty shelves.
Educate yourself on this PLEASE. Here is what Martin Luther King, Jr. had to say about this form of protest: By the end of his life, Martin Luther King realized the validity of violence
Urban riots must now be recognized as durable social phenomena. They may be deplored, but they are there and should be understood. Urban riots are a special form of violence. They are not insurrections. The rioters are not seeking to seize territory or to attain control of institutions. They are mainly intended to shock the white community. They are a distorted form of social protest. The looting which is their principal feature serves many functions. It enables the most enraged and deprived Negro to take hold of consumer goods with the ease the white man does by using his purse. Often the Negro does not even want what he takes; he wants the experience of taking. But most of all, alienated from society and knowing that this society cherishes property above people, he is shocking it by abusing property rights. There are thus elements of emotional catharsis in the violent act. This may explain why most cities in which riots have occurred have not had a repetition, even though the causative conditions remain. It is also noteworthy that the amount of physical harm done to white people other than police is infinitesimal and in Detroit whites and Negroes looted in unity. A profound judgment of today's riots was expressed by Victor Hugo a century ago. He said, 'If a soul is left in the darkness, sins will be committed. The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but he who causes the darkness.' The policymakers of the white society have caused the darkness; they create discrimination; they structured slums; and they perpetuate unemployment, ignorance and poverty. It is incontestable and deplorable that Negroes have committed crimes; but they are derivative crimes. They are born of the greater crimes of the white society. When we ask Negroes to abide by the law, let us also demand that the white man abide by law in the ghettos. Day-in and day-out he violates welfare laws to deprive the poor of their meager allotments; he flagrantly violates building codes and regulations; his police make a mockery of law; and he violates laws on equal employment and education and the provisions for civic services. The slums are the handiwork of a vicious system of the white society; Negroes live in them but do not make them any more than a prisoner makes a prison. Let us say boldly that if the violations of law by the white man in the slums over the years were calculated and compared with the law-breaking of a few days of riots, the hardened criminal would be the white man. These are often difficult things to say but I have come to see more and more that it is necessary to utter the truth in order to deal with the great problems that we face in our society.
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@Radagast is right in that I misrepresented the number. I will go back and fix it so that I do not misleadingly shock more people. Still, 1 out of every 3 black men killed in the year 2015 was unarmed, by the police. The statistics are appalling.
That is the only way. We are far too gone for any "reforms". We need to tear down the entire system and replace it with a new one if we want to survive as a country.
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So is racism only a white on black problem? Is it justice to villianize all people of any race because of what a few do? The businesses were looted and vandalized by both white and blacks from what I saw on TV, so who is the criminal and who is justified in doing the looting and burning. I contend they are all guilty of criminal activity, irregardless of race.
These are the same credentials terrorist claim to justify the bombing and killing of innocent People, we were wronged some time in history, so we have a right to do what we do. Since this is a Christian forum, find me one scripture that supports criminal behavior as righteous act of justice.
These are the same credentials terrorist claim to justify the bombing and killing of innocent People, we were wronged some time in history, so we have a right to do what we do. Since this is a Christian forum, find me one scripture that supports criminal behavior as righteous act of justice.
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Right. The 'police'. You got the police perpetrating these acts that are then laid at others feet as a race issues. That is my point. It isnt society doing this. It is those who are in power.
Then those in power incence the black communities, have blacks dying in the streets, burning down there own communities further ruining their own prosperity so those deaths can be grandstanded to enact political policies. And at the same time keeping them down.
Can you see what I am saying?
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I think the rioters aren't interested at all in being heard. They are taking advantage of a situation to loot, destroy and steal.
As King said, we've just learned the content of their character.
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And every one of those deaths was unjustified right? No wait, half were unjustified.
Why don't you tells us how many were unjustified?
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Yes it is, we are judging the looters by the content of their character. And they've just put it on display.
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