Festival of Trumpets

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Yes this massive explosion on the suns surface will happen at 12 noon Middle Eastern time.
(no one knows the hour — midday does not have to be noon). That said if the moon is as bright as the sun it suggests it takes place on a Full Moon.

Looking at a globe, we can see that Africa; Zephaniah 2:14, Europe, Western Russia and India will get the initial flash and the EMP strike, but for the Americas, China, Australia and South east Asia, it will be night time. The far Northern regions, like Scandinavia, may not be too badly affected, as it will happen during their winter, I believe.


Abandoned? I do not get that impression from prophesies like: Isaiah 66:15, Psalms 37:9-10 & 20, Malachi 4:3, Jeremiah 25:33, Isaiah 13:12

The Sword of the Lord is a metaphor for any means He uses to punish His enemies.
(I get that, I think Malachi 4:3 and Jeremiah 25:33 are the strongest verses to suggest this flash might incinerate people)

As Bible prophecy does tell us that a Coronal Mass Ejection, an explosion of the sun’s surface is what the Lord will use on His Day of wrath, Isaiah 30:26a, Psalms 50:1-2, Malachi 4:1, +, we should know what a CME is and what it can do.
(Yes, Isaiah 30:26 is the strongest verse to suggest a CME, the verses in Psalms 50 don’t appear that way to me).

Briefly: On the Appointed Day, Isaiah 10:17, the sun will explode out a huge, earth directed mass of superheated hydrogen plasma.
(this is certainly a possible interpretation based on Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:3, and Jeremiah 25:33)
The initial super bright flash and the Electro- Magnetic Pulse will arrive here within 8 minutes, causing armed nuke weapons to explode, Jeremiah 49:35
(I don’t see how you equate “breaking the bow” with nukes exploding, a bow fires the arrow (missile), if the satellites don’t work neither will guidance systems),
and all electrical systems will be destroyed. The EMP microwave effect will also cause tectonic plate movement, Deuteronomy 32:22 - severe worldwide earthquakes.

The sun will be darkened by being obscured by the approaching mass and the moon will shine bright red from the reflection of the sun being seven times brighter and then by the thermoluminescent reaction.

24 hours after the explosion, the main mass will strike the earth, directly onto the Middle East, Zephaniah 2:4, wiping out the entire population, excepting a small remnant in Jerusalem. Isaiah 29:1-4, Jeremiah 10:18, Psalms 97:3-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Romans 9:27
https://www.christianforums.com/bible/romans/9:27/ (slinging out is not the same thing as wiping out)
 
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Couple of questions, from my understanding Armageddon takes place at the end of the 7 years, whereas the sixth seal is opened in the middle of the 7 years. I can see it causing a one world order in response to the calamity, but some of your interpretation appears to refer to the aftermath of Armageddon.

From what I understand a bright flash 7xs brighter than the Sun would not incinerate people, it could start fires worldwide with electrical systems, and it could destroy the Ozone causing people to hide from the Sun, hence the streets are empty at noon time. The radiation could cause skin cancer and all kinds of other cancers for those in airplanes, but those deaths would take months.
 
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The Jewish calendar is understood by many theologians to be prophetic of this age. Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. There are 7 key festivals, Passover of course refers to the beginning of the age when Jesus was crucified, Pentecost was 50 days later when the spirit fell on the disciples. The feast of tabernacles is at the end of the age. But what I want to focus on is the Festival of Trumpets.

The Festival of Trumpets

Leviticus 23:23 The Lord said to Moses, 24 “Say to the Israelites: ‘On the first day of the seventh month you are to have a day of sabbath rest, a sacred assembly commemorated with trumpet blasts. 25 Do no regular work, but present a food offering to the Lord.’”

Numbers 29:1
“‘On the first day of the seventh month hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. It is a day for you to sound the trumpets.


So when I look at the use of the trumpets it is for battle, to signal to the children of Israel to go out and come in during their travel through the wilderness, as an alarm and to announce the coming of the king.

God has ascended amid shouts of joy, the Lord amid the sounding of trumpets. 6 Sing praises to God, sing praises; sing praises to our King, sing praises. 7 For God is the King of all the earth; sing to him a psalm of praise.

The festival of trumpets begins 10 days before the day of atonement 26 The Lord said to Moses, 27 “The tenth day of this seventh month and present a food offering to the Lord. So it is at the end of the year, at the end of the age, but it kicks off a period of time where you were to prepare yourself for the day of atonement. The trumpets were to "wake you up". In that sense it reminds me of the Lord's parable: Matthew 25:6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’ It also reminds me of the parable of the servants who were given talents to invest Matthew 25:19 “After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. Because the day of atonement is the settling of accounts with the Lord. During these ten days before hand we are supposed to reflect on what we have done. The trumpets are supposed to wake us up, alert us to the coming of the king, and remind us to prepare to meet our God.

My question is this -- Is this current situation we are in where there is a worldwide declaration to do no regular work, is this the beginning of the Festival of Trumpets signaling the end of the age, and are we now supposed to be sounding the trumpets? We have been told to leave the church assemblies, is this the Lord telling us to "go out to meet Him"? Is the collapse of the world's economy a food offering to God?
I like this topic, and also believe that the appointed times, appointed by God, have a prophetic meaning, and I believe the proof of this is the fact that the Lord was crucified on Passover - not around the time or somewhere near the time, but on the day, and He rose from the dead on the day of First-fruits, and ascended into heaven on Shavu'ot or the day of Pentecost.

I believe that as logically therefore as 3+4=7, the Day of Trumpets/"Rosh Hashanah" is associated with our Lord's return, as well as the Biblical time of harvest etc, because of all the prophecy both in the Old and New Testaments associated with them - and since the Day of Atonement falls in-between Trumpets and Tabernacles, it must have something to do with the repentance of Abraham's genetic seed.

I don't like the way many people use the term "Israel", as God regards only the seed of Abraham who are Christ's (both Jew and Gentile) as Abraham's seed, and therefore, as "Israel".

We need to understand the significance of the fact that Ephraim represents the house of Israel and Judah & Benjamin the house of Judah, and that Jacob (Israel) told Joseph that Ephraim's seed would become melo goyim - the fullness of the Gentiles (Genesis 48:19) and we need to understand the repentance of Judah at whose instigation Joseph was sold into slavery in Egypt, bearing in mind that Joseph is in many respects the type of Christ, and what happened immediately after Judah showed by his words to Joseph that he had acknowledged his sins to himself, and to God, and repented:

Straight afterwards Joseph forgives all Israel and he sends chariots to fetch/gather all the house of Israel (the elect) to come and live with him in the idyllic land of Goshen, where they lived and experienced a prolonged period of peace, safety and prosperity until another Pharaoh arose who had not known Joseph, and had no regard for him or his people (the millennium and the close of the millennium).

Personally, I don't try to fit world events to prophecy though. To me it of necessity involves using world events as pieces of a puzzle that look like they fit into for example Joel's prophecies, but may prove not to fit at all, as has been the case so many times in the case of past world events (so in short, I'm saying it involves too much guess-work). I'm too practical in my approach to how I view world events - even though I do not claim that it's entirely non-beneficial to question "If this could be" such as your post is doing. Jesus said we should look up when scary things are happening all around us - but it's not the first time things looked totally out of control. It was happening exactly 100-110 years ago. The Spanish flu killed millions world-wide and started even before the end of world war I. We could not blame the Christians of 100 years ago if they were looking up and expecting the Lord to return any moment. WWI and the resultant economic fall-out was no tea-party and neither was the spanish flu that came on its heels.
 
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Personally, I don't try to fit world events to prophecy though. To me it of necessity involves using world events as pieces of a puzzle that look like they fit into for example Joel's prophecies, but may prove not to fit at all, as has been the case so many times in the case of past world events (so in short, I'm saying it involves too much guess-work). I'm too practical in my approach to how I view world events - even though I do not claim that it's entirely non-beneficial to question "If this could be" such as your post is doing. Jesus said we should look up when scary things are happening all around us - but it's not the first time things looked totally out of control. It was happening exactly 100-110 years ago. The Spanish flu killed millions world-wide and started even before the end of world war I. We could not blame the Christians of 100 years ago if they were looking up and expecting the Lord to return any moment. WWI and the resultant economic fall-out was no tea-party and neither was the spanish flu that came on its heels.
I see it differently. To me Spanish flu and WW1 were fulfillment. In basketball the NCAA championship is distinctly different from the NBA championship, but they are also extremely similar. John says we have had many antichrists. I have no problem seeing Hitler as one of these, just not "The" antichrist. I think we can learn a lot about many of these things, in the same way you study for an exam. The Lord in Amos says He did many things prior to the final judgement as a warning.
 
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I see it differently. To me Spanish flu and WW1 were fulfillment. In basketball the NCAA championship is distinctly different from the NBA championship, but they are also extremely similar. John says we have had many antichrists. I have no problem seeing Hitler as one of these, just not "The" antichrist. I think we can learn a lot about many of these things, in the same way you study for an exam. The Lord in Amos says He did many things prior to the final judgement as a warning.
In one sense you are correct, but that doesn't explain (for example) how good things got for us boomers after WW II, at least for a few decades.

All the events that have occurred in the last 2,000 years have come and gone in cycles of wars, famines, pestilences, earthquakes and times of prosperity.

However, Nero is most certainly also a type of Anti-Christ, as was the king of Babylon, as was Pharaoh, and the destruction of Pharaoh's armies/the beast's armies by Christ = the deliverance of the saints. When God had made an end of using Babylon to punish Judah, He destroyed Babylon. "The cities of the nations fell" (Revelation 16:19).

Nevertheless I still believe the latter days events are once-off events, even though there are numerous types in past events, and I think it will become much clearer to all those who belong to Christ that the time has come, when it's here. There hasn't been a general apostasy accompanying the rise of the son of perdition/man of sin yet, for example.

So you may be correct (because I don't know), but I'm a Skeptic.
 
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In one sense you are correct, but that doesn't explain (for example) how good things got for us boomers after WW II, at least for a few decades.

All the events that have occurred in the last 2,000 years have come and gone in cycles of wars, famines, pestilences, earthquakes and times of prosperity.

However, Nero is most certainly also a type of Anti-Christ, as was the king of Babylon, as was Pharaoh, and the destruction of Pharaoh's armies/the beast's armies by Christ = the deliverance of the saints. When God had made an end of using Babylon to punish Judah, He destroyed Babylon. "The cities of the nations fell" (Revelation 16:19).

Nevertheless I still believe the latter days events are once-off events, even though there are numerous types in past events, and I think it will become much clearer to all those who belong to Christ that the time has come, when it's here. There hasn't been a general apostasy accompanying the rise of the son of perdition/man of sin yet, for example.

So you may be correct (because I don't know), but I'm a Skeptic.
after the feast of tabernacles you have a superpower rebuilding the world restoration of all things. Japan, Germany, and the US now work in harmony.
 
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(no one knows the hour — midday does not have to be noon). That said if the moon is as bright as the sun it suggests it takes place on a Full Moon.
I believe the Sixth Seal will happen at, or very close to a new moon.
It will be the bright reflection of the CME flash that will fulfil Rev 6:12b
(I don’t see how you equate “breaking the bow” with nukes exploding, a bow fires the arrow (missile), if the satellites don’t work neither will guidance systems),
A military term for a nuke is an 'arrow'. "Broken Arrow", was the mission to recover a crashed plane carrying a nuke.
The prophets used the names they knew. Psalms 7:13
(slinging out is not the same thing as wiping out)
Again; metaphorically. Many other prophesies say they will be killed. Zephaniah 1:18
Couple of questions, from my understanding Armageddon takes place at the end of the 7 years, whereas the sixth seal is opened in the middle of the 7 years. I can see it causing a one world order in response to the calamity, but some of your interpretation appears to refer to the aftermath of Armageddon.
The Sixth Seal is the next prophesied event, the one that comes unexpectedly. At least 10 years before Jesus Returns and destroys Satans army at Armageddon.
From what I understand a bright flash 7xs brighter than the Sun would not incinerate people, it could start fires worldwide with electrical systems, and it could destroy the Ozone causing people to hide from the Sun, hence the streets are empty at noon time. The radiation could cause skin cancer and all kinds of other cancers for those in airplanes, but those deaths would take months.
The Electro-Magnetic Pulse from this huge Coronal Mass Ejection, will destroy all electrical systems in the area facing the sun at that time. The main thing it will do, is to cause the armed nukes atop Irans missiles to explode on the launch pad. Psalms 7:10, Joel 3:4
But it will be 24 hours later; when the main mass of superheated Hydrogen Plasma strikes, then the read damage and deaths will happen. This will kill billions around the world, Jeremiah 25:30-33, we are told to shelter until it passes. Isaiah 26:20-21
Personally, I don't try to fit world events to prophecy though. To me it of necessity involves using world events as pieces of a puzzle that look like they fit into for example Joel's prophecies, but may prove not to fit at all, as has been the case so many times in the case of past world events
FG, I like your explanation of who is the true Israel today. There is no doubt that the 10 lost tribes are still scattered among the nations, but God knows who they are, Amos 9:9

As for Bible prophecy, many have made the mistake of thinking they are fulfilled or are just allegories, etc.
Remember that the prophesies about Jesus first Advent literally happened. There is no reason that the ones about His second Advent, won't be fulfilled literally as well.
There are some figurative things in it, things that we can explain logically, but most is plain, easily understood details of events that can and will happen.
The scary part is that it may all happen in our time!
 
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I believe the Sixth Seal will happen at, or very close to a new moon.
It will be the bright reflection of the CME flash that will fulfil Rev 6:12b
If it is a new moon then the moon will shield the Earth from the CME

A military term for a nuke is an 'arrow'. "Broken Arrow", was the mission to recover a crashed plane carrying a nuke.
The prophets used the names they knew. Psalms 7:13
The verse you gave me said broken bow, not broken arrow. Broken bow makes more sense, with navigational satellites and electrical systems and communications down you wouldn't be able to fire a missile. But nuclear bombs are supposed to be unarmed, it doesn't make sense that an EMP would cause them to have a chain reaction. It could disrupt nuclear power plants, even catastrophically, but I don't understand how it would make a nuclear bomb explode.

Again; metaphorically. Many other prophesies say they will be killed. Zephaniah 1:18
Yes, but many other prophecies are about Armageddon.

The Sixth Seal is the next prophesied event, the one that comes unexpectedly. At least 10 years before Jesus Returns and destroys Satans army at Armageddon.
The 70th week is 7 years, that is pretty well established. It begins with the peace treaty with Israel concerning Jerusalem, and in the midst of the week he breaks the treaty, sets himself up in the temple and that to my understanding is when the sixth seal is opened. That would be less than 3 1/2 years before Armageddon.

The Electro-Magnetic Pulse from this huge Coronal Mass Ejection, will destroy all electrical systems in the area facing the sun at that time. The main thing it will do, is to cause the armed nukes atop Irans missiles to explode on the launch pad. Psalms 7:10, Joel 3:4
But it will be 24 hours later; when the main mass of superheated Hydrogen Plasma strikes, then the read damage and deaths will happen. This will kill billions around the world, Jeremiah 25:30-33, we are told to shelter until it passes. Isaiah 26:20-21.

FG, I like your explanation of who is the true Israel today. There is no doubt that the 10 lost tribes are still scattered among the nations, but God knows who they are, Amos 9:9

As for Bible prophecy, many have made the mistake of thinking they are fulfilled or are just allegories, etc.
Remember that the prophesies about Jesus first Advent literally happened. There is no reason that the ones about His second Advent, won't be fulfilled literally as well.
There are some figurative things in it, things that we can explain logically, but most is plain, easily understood details of events that can and will happen.
The scary part is that it may all happen in our time!
I think it will be fulfilled literally. But I also see this as being similar to the Fibonacci series. We see this pattern in a single yearly festivals, we see bigger patterns in the jubilee, and bigger patterns and ultimately the entire age can be compared closely to the festivals that are in a single year.
 
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If it is a new moon then the moon will shield the Earth from the CME
Impossible, excepting partially; if there was a lunar eclipse.
Actually, it will be when the CME mass strikes the moon, then it will shine bright red, as the thermoluminescent reaction takes place.
That is why I believe the moon will be between us and the sun when it happens, so people will see their doom approaching and be terrified.
The verse you gave me said broken bow, not broken arrow. Broken bow makes more sense, with navigational satellites and electrical systems and communications down you wouldn't be able to fire a missile. But nuclear bombs are supposed to be unarmed, it doesn't make sense that an EMP would cause them to have a chain reaction. It could disrupt nuclear power plants, even catastrophically, but I don't understand how it would make a nuclear bomb explode.
Psalms 7:13 says 'arrows'. Whatever; we know today about nukes and we also know Iran has them and the means and the motivation to send them upon Israel.
They WILL be armed, so what the prophets say will happen and for them to destroy the mad mullahs of Iran, it is the perfect retribution. Obadiah 15, Habakkuk 3:14, Psalms 64:3-9
Yes, but many other prophecies are about Armageddon.
The Sixth Seal and Armageddon are at least 10 years apart. As per Revelation 6 to 19.

All will be revealed with the Festivals and the holy days, when we live in the holy Land.
ZNP, I do appreciate your interest in this very important matter. Most people just gloss over, or ignore these prophesies.
You just need to get a correct sequence of the end time events in your mind. Revelation does show it.
 
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FG, I like your explanation of who is the true Israel today. There is no doubt that the 10 lost tribes are still scattered among the nations, but God knows who they are, Amos 9:9

As for Bible prophecy, many have made the mistake of thinking they are fulfilled or are just allegories, etc.
Remember that the prophesies about Jesus first Advent literally happened. There is no reason that the ones about His second Advent, won't be fulfilled literally as well.
There are some figurative things in it, things that we can explain logically, but most is plain, easily understood details of events that can and will happen.
The scary part is that it may all happen in our time!

Yes I agree the Day of Trumpets and Feast of Tabernacles are still to be fulfilled. The Day of Atonement is fulfilled in Christ but I believe it has a dual-meaning. Judah will yet be saved through Jesus and by Jesus - but not without repentance and faith in Him.
 
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Judah will yet be saved through Jesus and by Jesus - but not without repentance and faith in Him.
This does not explain who the true Israel of God is.

The idea that Judah; the Jews, will all be saved, simply isn't in the Bible, it is just a belief of those who think the Church will be 'raptured to heaven, leaving the Jews to face the Great Tribulation and to eventually become Christians. This is NOT what the Bible tells us!

Paul makes it clear in Galatians 3:26-29; WE born again Christians are now the Israelites of God, the Overcomers for Him.
 
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This does not explain who the true Israel of God is.

The idea that Judah; the Jews, will all be saved, simply isn't in the Bible, it is just a belief of those who think the Church will be 'raptured to heaven, leaving the Jews to face the Great Tribulation and to eventually become Christians. This is NOT what the Bible tells us!

Paul makes it clear in Galatians 3:26-29; WE born again Christians are now the Israelites of God, the Overcomers for Him.
I don't believe in a Pre-Trib rapture and I'm not a pre-tribulationist but I believe Judah will repent and be forgiven so what you're saying about it the idea being a Pre-Trib idea is not true.

I also do not believe that unbelieving Jews are part of Israel.

I do believe that the eventual repentance and forgiveness of the house of Judah IS in the Bible, but that's a different subject and it would be hijacking the topic of this thread if we had to get into it too much.
 
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I don't believe in a Pre-Trib rapture and I'm not a pre-tribulationist but I believe Judah will repent and be forgiven so what you're saying about it the idea being a Pre-Trib idea is not true.

I also do not believe that unbelieving Jews are part of Israel.

I do believe that the eventual repentance and forgiveness of the house of Judah IS in the Bible, but that's a different subject and it would be hijacking the topic of this thread if we had to get into it too much.
I think this is why most of us shy away from end time prophecy. I understand that many of these prophecies have been sealed up until the time. You couldn't have understood the prophecy until it is unsealed. Yet many people will speculate and that conjecture leads down many rabbit holes. I also suspect that one of the issues is that many of these terms are not well defined for everyone.

Pre Trib or Mid Trib. I understand that the last seven years = 70th week in Daniel = Tribulation. This tribulation is divided into two parts, the first half is natural events similar to the events being described as "Biblical" in scale (Fire in Australia, Covid-19, etc). There is no rapture prior to these events. They get worse and worse. But they don't identify the start of this last week. The last week begins with a peace treaty that gives Israel authority over Jerusalem. Daniel's prophecy of 70 weeks is about the rebuilding of Jerusalem. However, in the middle of the week Antichrist breaks the covenant he made, sets himself up in the temple and thus is revealed to all. At this time we have the rapture, and the supernatural events begin. The Lord is also revealed (the dead rose and the others were raptured) and an Angel announces that the gospel of grace has ended. For some when they say tribulation they are only referring to those supernatural events, hence they are "pre trib" whereas to others the entire 70th week is the tribulation so they are "mid trib".

Along these lines I also agree that the end of the age deals with both the covenants God has with His people.
 
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I think this is why most of us shy away from end time prophecy. I understand that many of these prophecies have been sealed up until the time. You couldn't have understood the prophecy until it is unsealed. Yet many people will speculate and that conjecture leads down many rabbit holes. I also suspect that one of the issues is that many of these terms are not well defined for everyone.

Pre Trib or Mid Trib. I understand that the last seven years = 70th week in Daniel = Tribulation. This tribulation is divided into two parts, the first half is natural events similar to the events being described as "Biblical" in scale (Fire in Australia, Covid-19, etc). There is no rapture prior to these events. They get worse and worse. But they don't identify the start of this last week. The last week begins with a peace treaty that gives Israel authority over Jerusalem. Daniel's prophecy of 70 weeks is about the rebuilding of Jerusalem. However, in the middle of the week Antichrist breaks the covenant he made, sets himself up in the temple and thus is revealed to all. At this time we have the rapture, and the supernatural events begin. The Lord is also revealed (the dead rose and the others were raptured) and an Angel announces that the gospel of grace has ended. For some when they say tribulation they are only referring to those supernatural events, hence they are "pre trib" whereas to others the entire 70th week is the tribulation so they are "mid trib".

Along these lines I also agree that the end of the age deals with both the covenants God has with His people.
Talking about shying away.. I saw you mention "the seven-year tribulation" which I don't believe in, because it's a 3.5-year tribulation, and I saw you mention Daniel's seventieth week as though it has not already occurred, but I shied away from saying anything to you about it, because I believe that it's the Messiah who was cut off after the 62 weeks that followed the first 49 weeks (i.e the crucifixion of Jesus in the 70th week): (My video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy0xrxbNOHY

I'm 100% convinced that Daniel's 70th week fulfilled and completed a set amount of Jubilee years and followed chronologically in time - as the scripture states - chronologically in time after the 62 weeks which came chronologically in time after the first 49 weeks of the final 70 week period which began with the decree to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem.

Christian Gedge's "The Atonement Clock" is also a thoroughly researched and excellent and uplifting book, in this regard.

Yet I know that I will not convince you, and vice-versa, which is why I remained silent when I saw what you wrote regarding the above. I don't agree with all Chris Gedge's views either (as far as I know he is A-milleniial) but when it comes to many of the people who post here at these forums, I swallow the fish and what I regard as the bones I reject. So suffice to say that I don't believe or should I say I won't believe anything you say regarding Pre-Tribulation rapture or the 70th week of Daniel.

Some Biblical events are types for later events, though - and I'm totally open to the possibility that the A.O.D is one such repeat-fulfillment.
 
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