Was the Sabbath given to man at creation as a special day to worship God?

Did Adam and Eve keep each seventh-day Sabbath?

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BobRyan

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Hi pasifika - Paul says that the 5th commandment is the first commandment with a promise. Which cannot possibly reference how the mind of someone out in the primitive village orders the commandments and promises in his mind.

Eph 6:1-2 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise),

In that still valid unit of TEN of course.

scripture details are key - but not always convenient.


Thank you, but what you're quoting is a command based on works a

So you think Paul got his doctrine wrong in Eph 6?

Eph 6:1-2 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise),

In that still valid unit of TEN of course.

And so also "do not take God's name in vain" still there as well

So who is my parents in the Lord?

Is this where you tell us that it is now ok for mankind to dishonor parents?

As Jesus said, whoever does the will of my Father, is your mother, brother, sister etc...so the command in OT has broader meaning in the sense of physical parents but also to spiritual one

ok granted.. how is that helping your point when you make that "command based on works" accusation against Paul in Eph 6 ??
 
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Alrighty then,
Your "firstly" statement is a false statement. " The scriptures you posted say that "Whatever the law says, is to those who are under the law....... You're saying: (v 19)"no one is under the law (v 20) unless they are being judged by God of breaking the law."

alrighty then - Romans 3... one more time.

19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. ... 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Well then, what do you understand???

I understand that Romans 3 provides details showing us that all the world are sinners ,, all need the gospel,,, "do not take God's name in vain" is still a commandment of God and still applies... even to "all the world".

Bob is right. The word "alike" is not in the original manuscripts.

And translations like the NASB inform the reader of the same by using the "italics" font.

We get it, all the bibles are forgeries.

are you reading the post in the discussion before you hit "post reply"?
 
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So you think Paul got his doctrine wrong in Eph 6?

Eph 6:1-2 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise),

In that still valid unit of TEN of course.

And so also "do not take God's name in vain" still there as well



Is this where you tell us that it is now ok for mankind to dishonor parents?



ok granted.. how is that helping your point when you make that "command based on works" accusation against Paul in Eph 6 ??
But do you know that law under the Old covenant requires YOU to keep all of its commands etc and if you break one you guilty of breaking All of them..James 2:10..so if we lie or covet or commit adultery we also break the command of honor our parents...Because the same God who said you should Not lie, or murder, or covet is the same God who said also to honor our Parents....and if the law said we are All sinners then we all broke All the commands..you need the Spirit in you to be able to uphold the laws...Ephesians 6 is about God's family in the Lord..those born according to the Spirit...

Look at how the covenant in Sinai is established between the two parties (God and Israel)...is actually the people will do what the Lord said..so whatever God said then is the people own effort to follow and uphold the command..( works of the law) And No One can be able to uphold the law because we are Sinners...and as I have mentioned if you break one you break all of the commands...and become a Lawbreaker..
 
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Well now, just what might doing the will of YHWH be?
The Will of God is for everyone to look at the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life and Christ shall raise them up in the last days...John 6:40...
 
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But do you know that law under the Old covenant requires YOU to keep all of its commands etc and if you break one you guilty of breaking All of them..James 2:10..so if we lie or covet or commit adultery we also break the command of honor our parents...Because the same God who said you should Not lie, or murder, or covet is the same God who said also to honor our Parents....and if the law said we are All sinners then we all broke All the commands..you need the Spirit in you to be able to uphold the laws...Ephesians 6 is about God's family in the Lord..those born according to the Spirit...

And No One can be able to uphold the law because we are Sinners...and as I have mentioned if you break one you break all of the commands...and become a Lawbreaker..

Well no, NO ONE can keep ALL of them, NO ONE was ever required to. Even Yeshua could not keep ALL of them. However, you could cite Paul, if you have love, you keep the commandments (Romans 13:8-10
). So if you break one, you break them all (because sin is the transgression of the law)…if you keep one, do you keep them all??
 
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Well no, NO ONE can keep ALL of them, NO ONE was ever required to. Even Yeshua could not keep ALL of them. However, you could cite Paul, if you have love, you keep the commandments (Romans 13:8-10
). So if you break one, you break them all (because sin is the transgression of the law)…if you keep one, do you keep them all??
Yes you and I cannot keep them on our own...Jesus never sin so He wasn't condemned by the law as a sinner or lawbreaker like you and me... Romans 8 :1.. Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus....


Yes, if you keep this one command you fulfilled All...Romans 13:9,10..The commandments, " You shall Not commit Adultery, " You shall Not murder, " You shall Not steal, " You shall Not covet" and whatever other command there maybe Are Summed up in this ONE COMMAND: " LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF" Love does No harm to a neighbor. Therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW....
 
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Yet Paul and his disciples continued to keep this Moed, as YHWH instructed.


Sorry but Paul stayed away from Jerusalem for 14 years after his conversion.

Passover is to be kept in Jerusalem.


Jesus is our Passover, the lamb of God.

To sacrifice animals after the cross is blasphemy.



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I don't disagree with what you have written. Yes sexual immorality is sin. He is saying that they need to get rid of sin (leaven) before keeping the Feast. Keeping the feast is keeping feast...Passover (Pascha) as well as Shavuot (Pentecost) were kept by the very early church (and still are!) and is very well documented.


Jesus is our Passover; the Lamb of God.

Christians don’t sacrifice animals to God.


You must be thinking of Judaism, a religion that rejects Jesus as Messiah.



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Not eating, or abstaining from food is called fasting. Limiting ones diet to greens, for a period of time, is called a greens fast.

Abstaining from food is not a food choice. It's called a fast. If one is weak; and can't cpo0mpletely abstain from food, and eats only greens; that's called a greens fast.



Nonsense. You're projecting.
Not eating and abstaining from food is not mentioned anywhere in this context. Limiting ones diet to greens for a period of time is also a fictitious implication that's foreign to this text.

You're the one projecting and speaking nonsense.

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Rom 14:1
Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions.
(No reason given to think that Paul is talking about fasting)

Rom 14:2One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.
(Rom `4:2 make it clear that's its about food choices and not about fasting.)

Rom 14:3The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him.
Rom 14:4Who are you to judge the [fn]servant of another? To his own [fn]master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.


Believe the Greek manuscripts over corrupt translations.
You're making stuff up.
 
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Eph 6:1-2 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise),

In that still valid unit of TEN of course.
And so also "do not take God's name in vain" still there as well

Where the moral LAW of God known to Jeremiah is written on the heart and mind under the NEW Covenant Jer 31:31-34.

Thus even under the NEW Covenant it is still a sin to "take God's name in vain"

so yeah -- OT saints under the NEW Covenant...

Which is how it is that Moses and Elijah stand with Christ in glory before the cross... in Matthew 17

One GOSPEL Gal 1:6-9 in all age. Not "saved by works" in the OT and then "saved by grace" after the cross.

But do you know that law under the Old covenant requires YOU to keep all of its commands etc and if you break one you guilty of breaking All of them

Yep that is how the Old Covenant still works to this very day to condemn "all the world" as Paul says in Romans 3:19-20 for "All have sinned" Rom 3:23

But under the OT gospel called the "NEW Covenant" Jer 31:31-34 we are saved by grace through faith with the LAW of God written on the heart and full and complete forgiveness of sins.
 
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Sorry but Paul stayed away from Jerusalem for 14 years after his conversion.

Not entirely true as we see in Acts 15 and 20

And immediately after the Acts 15 meeting what is the "very next thing" Paul does? --
answer: Paul convinces Timothy to be circumcised.

And in Acts 20 - what is the argument made to Paul - what is he supposed to "prove" and what is he "refuting" ?

Acts 20
17 After we arrived in Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18 And the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. 19 After he had greeted them, he began to relate one by one the things which God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; 24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law

And how about after that?
In Acts 23?
6 But perceiving that one group were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, Paul began crying out in the Council, “Brethren, I am a Pharisee, a son of Pharisees; I am on trial for the hope and resurrection of the dead!” 7 As he said this, there occurred a dissension between the Pharisees and Sadducees, and the assembly was divided. 8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, nor an angel, nor a spirit, but the Pharisees acknowledge them all. 9 And there occurred a great uproar; and some of the scribes of the Pharisaic party stood up and began to argue heatedly, saying, “We find nothing wrong with this man; suppose a spirit or an angel has spoken to him?”

Hebrews 10:4-12 says that the system of animal sacrifices and offerings ended at the cross - but when you go out on a limb to speak of what Paul's practice was - you need to be accurate and careful in what you say about that specific Bible detail.
 
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So do you know why this command called a New command in the NT?

And do you know why John says it is NOT a new command?
1 John 2:7 Beloved, I am not writing a new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning; the old commandment is the word which you have heard.

And do you know why Paul says that the 5th commandment "is the first commandment WITH a promise" Eph 6:1-2 in that still-valid distinct unit of TEN - included in the moral law under the NEW Covenant for Christians even in the NT?
 
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Where the moral LAW of God known to Jeremiah is written on the heart and mind under the NEW Covenant Jer 31:31-34.

Thus even under the NEW Covenant it is still a sin to "take God's name in vain"

so yeah -- OT saints under the NEW Covenant...

Which is how it is that Moses and Elijah stand with Christ in glory before the cross... in Matthew 17

One GOSPEL Gal 1:6-9 in all age. Not "saved by works" in the OT and then "saved by grace" after the cross.



Yep that is how the Old Covenant still works to this very day to condemn "all the world" as Paul says in Romans 3:19-20 for "All have sinned" Rom 3:23

But under the OT gospel called the "NEW Covenant" Jer 31:31-34 we are saved by grace through faith with the LAW of God written on the heart and full and complete forgiveness of sins.
The law fulfilled in Christ, and Christ is what within us that is meant by Jeremiah 31 is Not about a written letter put in our mind and heart BUT it reference to the Spirit of God which is in Christ....

The law is Not based on Faith and the Gospel is about Faith... Again understand how the Old covenant was established between God and Israel.. those of the old covenant follow the letter of the law those of the new covenant is led by the Spirit...
 
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And do you know why John says it is NOT a new command?
1 John 2:7 Beloved, I am not writing a new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning; the old commandment is the word which you have heard.

And do you know why Paul says that the 5th commandment "is the first commandment WITH a promise" Eph 6:1-2 in that still-valid distinct unit of TEN - included in the moral law under the NEW Covenant for Christians even in the NT?
You should continue your quote from 1John 2:7 to include verse 8, which tells you why this old command a New Command...1John 2:8..."Yet I am writing you a New command; its TRUTH is seen in Him ( Jesus) and in You... so the truth of this command was Not seeing in anyone other then Jesus first...

If we have the love of God in us, then we will honor our parents according to God...Love fulfilled All the laws..
 
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