Is the Book of Jubilees Torah?
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(CLV) 2Pt 3:8
Now of this one thing you are not to be oblivious, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.
(CLV) Ps 90:4
For a thousand years are in Your eyes Like yesterday's day when it has passed, Or like a vigil in the night.
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Jubilees 4:30
30 And he lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: 'On the day that you eat thereof you shall die.' For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.
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Now of this one thing you are not to be oblivious, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.
(CLV) Ps 90:4
For a thousand years are in Your eyes Like yesterday's day when it has passed, Or like a vigil in the night.
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Jubilees 4:30
30 And he lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: 'On the day that you eat thereof you shall die.' For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.
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All words are man made words. That's how language works. The Torah has never been anything other than the five books.
Jubilees isn't part of the Torah for the same reason that Pepsi isn't Coke. It just isn't, by definition it isn't.
The mitzvot given by God to Moses for the Jewish people is recorded in the five books of the Torah, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
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If you understood how the Christian Canon came to be, how the Church has come to accept and receive the books she has receives as Sacred Scripture, then you'd understand why St. Paul quoting something doesn't make it Scripture.
What is and is not Scripture is defined by its historic acceptance and usage in the Christian Church. Outside of the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church Jubilees has never been accepted as Scripture. As such, it's not Scripture.
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Says who? Please cite your source.
Who defined it and when? Please cite your source.
Who decided that it is limited to those five books? Please cite your source.
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If you understand this; then who exactly determined what was to be included in the modern TaNaK. Please cite your source.
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By this logic, it is scripture; because the Ethiopian Orthodox have accepted it.
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I tell you what, show me a word in any language that isn't man made.
Show me anyone in history that accepted Jubilees as part of Torah, or that Torah was ever anything other than the instructions contained in the five books.
See above.
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No, Jesus rebuked the Pharisees putting tradition over God's commandments. He did not rebuke tradition in principle.
If you don't like tradition of any kind, then you might as well go live in a forest, interact with no human beings, or engage in anyway with human society, and use no tools for hunting or survival. The use of fire is a tradition.
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That's a ridiculous argument. It must be scripture because mdbnvplwhjvcfdrqew.
There! Mdbnvplwhjvcfdrqew, that settles it. Show me the word Pentateuch in scripture.
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Another fallacious argument. Scripture isn't scripture because some group, ex post facto, decided that it was. If John the Baptist accepted it as scripture; it was scripture.
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No, not a ridiculous argument. Language is something humans use, and words are discrete units of human language. You challenged the idea that all words are man made, asking me to prove that this was true. I think it's pretty reasonable to say that the burden of proof rests on you to prove that there are words that aren't man made.
I'm not aware of the word Pentateuch showing up anywhere in Scripture. I also fail to see the relevance of this.
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Yes and there are 2 examples of Saint Paul using the word tradition / Paradosis positively in his epistles.
But the very Lexical concept of paradosis faithfully passing something down to the next generation etc. is at the heart of the Bible. Much of the Bible existed as oral tradition before it became a text. And of course there is the scribal tradition of maintaining the written text etc.
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In other words the Pharisees, after the fall of the Temple, who rejected the Book of jubilees; correct?
Is that your foundation for what defines scripture, the Pharisees?
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That's because it's not there. The word is a fabrication. There was no official canon in the time of Yahshua.
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