The Sabbath of the TEN Commandments - for all mankind (V2)

Aussie Pete said:

It's the spirit that is in heaven. It's not at all symbolic. The spirit does not sin. I'm speaking of the human, born again spirit of course. Many Christians seem ignorant of the fact that humanity is fundamentally spiritual. If we really knew what it meant to be born again, many of our problems would evaporate.

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So you are Jesus on earth now that you don't sin? You never get sick? You won't die and be resurrected?

HARK! said:

(CLV) Lk 1:5
There came to be, in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zechariah, of the routine of Abiah, and his wife, of the daughters of Aaron, and her name is Elizabeth.

(CLV) Lk 1:6
Now they were both just in front of God, going in all the precepts and just statutes of the Lord, blameless.

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We are not talking about people who never sinned and don't need Jesus. We are talking about everyone else; the people Jesus gave His life to redeem. People like you and I, you know sinners, lawbreakers.

BobRyan said:

as already noted...

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Have you "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" found in Galatians 4:24-31?

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HARK! said:

No he hasn't.

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Well, that is what He said He came to do, so according to you He failed.
Matt5:
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Fulfil,
to carry out, or bring to realization, as a prophecy or promise.
to perform or do, as duty; obey or follow, as commands.
to satisfy (requirements, obligations, etc.)
to bring to an end; finish or complete, as a period of time:


Did Jesus fulfil the prophecies concerning His coming? He came to do two things, according to the verse, ending the prophecies about His coming and likewise ending the Law.

Andre_b said:

So you are Jesus on earth now that you don't sin? You never get sick? You won't die and be resurrected?

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We know that Jesus never sinned, but can you prove that He never became sick. Jesus died and, if we believe and love others as Jesus loves us, we too will be resurrected. By the way, if we are believers all our sins have been washed away, the ones we will commit today, the ones in the past and the ones in the future. We too are sinless because of Jesus.

Thank you Jesus for giving all that we have all.

BABerean2 said:

Have you "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" found in Galatians 4:24-31?

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The one beside the ark calling it indeed the witness "against us" having to build the temples all the ceremonial sacrifices etc. Lots of work there, it was indeed bondage. The 10 commandments are never referred to as "bondage". Jesus came to set us free from slavery of sin, now we know what sin is, ask the Holy Spirit to cleanse you and guide you to not sin. Jesus even asked you to be perfect like your father in heaven is perfect. So he does expect you to try and take action with his help, yet most simply give up and say "he did all the work" and do nothing to show that they love him because "it's impossible".

Jesus quoted Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. That's love and the perfect law.

Andre_b said:

The 10 commandments are never referred to as "bondage".

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Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

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BobRyan said:

"cast out the Sinai covenant" is a good example of a phrase that does not appear in all of scripture - OT or NT.

Bible details matter...even when ignored.

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Do you deny that Paul used the bondwoman "Hagar" as a symbol of the Sinai Covenant in the passage below?

Do you deny that Paul compelled the Galatian believers to cast out the "bondwoman" in verse 30 below?

Bible details do matter, especially in this passage.

Gal 4:24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar—
Gal 4:25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
Gal 4:26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written: "REJOICE, O BARREN, YOU WHO DO NOT BEAR! BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR! FOR THE DESOLATE HAS MANY MORE CHILDREN THAN SHE WHO HAS A HUSBAND."
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREEWOMAN."
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

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HARK! said:

Yahshua didn't qualify fulfillment of prophecy that way. Why do you add to his words?

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Didn't the prophets prophecy about Messiah coming? Didn't Jesus fulfil those prophecies?

Nonsense.

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Have a better idea?

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

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If that is how it is then why aren't you building the Temple back so that you can have a place to take animals for sacrifice. And, oh yes, don't forget to wear your tzitzits. Do your sideburns curl?

Andre_b said:

The one beside the ark calling it indeed the witness "against us" having to build the temples all the ceremonial sacrifices etc. Lots of work there, it was indeed bondage. The 10 commandments are never referred to as "bondage". Jesus came to set us free from slavery of sin, now we know what sin is, ask the Holy Spirit to cleanse you and guide you to not sin. Jesus even asked you to be perfect like your father in heaven is perfect. So he does expect you to try and take action with his help, yet most simply give up and say "he did all the work" and do nothing to show that they love him because "it's impossible".

Jesus quoted Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. That's love and the perfect law.

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Wonder why Paul called the ten commandments the ministry of death and wrote that they were only temporary?

Bob S said:

Wonder why Paul called the ten commandments the ministry of death and wrote that they were only temporary?

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The law of Moses was the ministry of the penalty for breaking the main law, Jesus is the new ministry now. That's the point one law like a constitution, another law to for the judges and enforce it as well as other things. The judges would put you to death for breaking the law. Jesus doesn't put you to death for breaking the law. Not very complicated really. The same law is there, God doesn't change the law of the universe as much as you'd like him to.

If the laws of physics and the universe doesn't change, why would you think God would create a law that governs how life should behave and change that constantly. That would be very confusing. All he changes is the payment of the penalty depending on his will.

HARK! said:

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

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You have been show over and over again that things are not this simple. Many do not understand how, or refuse to believe that, Jews used the language of cosmic collapse as a metaphor for sociopolitical change: such texts were never intended to be taken literally.

Example: Isaiah writes:

10For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not flash forth their light;
The sun will be dark when it rises
And the moon will not shed its light

What was going on? Look at the context - Babylon was being destroyed, never to be rebuilt. No stars fell. And the moon was not darkened. The obvious point: language about the end of the world, such as we see here, and such as Jesus used, is not necessarily to be taken literally.

When Jesus says that it is easier for heaven and earth to pass than for the law to end, it is plausible indeed that He is participating in this well-documented tradition of using end-of-the-world language in a highly metaphorical sense.