The Olivet Discourse

claninja said:

No to what? Do you agree or disagree that there is no sin/sickness/death/decay presently in heaven and for those who presently dwell in heaven?

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Yes to heaven, no to earth.

parousia70 said:

Teaching that the Jews somehow needed to be punished further by God for another 2000 yars + is not based on any scripture, but only on personal bias against them.

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Keep your slander to yourself.

Thanks for the conversation.

parousia70 said:

Teaching that the Jews somehow needed to be punished further by God for another 2000 yars + is not based on any scripture, but only on personal bias against them.

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What did Paul say in the Book of Romans about the word "Jew" ?

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


What did Paul say about the use of "genealogies"?

Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.


Various forms of Dual Covenant Theology have taken root during the last 200 years which claim some people have a relationship with God based on who their parents would be.


Based on 1 John 2:22-23, all humans who do not have a relationship with God's Son will be punished. It does not matter who they claim to be.


Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Is there now a Plan B of salvation, based on who a person's parents would be?

Are we "biased" against a group of people for pointing out that they are lost without Christ?
What would the Apostle Paul say?

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sovereigngrace said:

Keep your slander to yourself.

Thanks for the conversation.

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Thanks for the suggestion, but I'll keep posting the Truth.

Consistent futurism logically produces a very dangerous ambiguity and ambivalence toward modern-day "Jews" in that, on the one hand, they are in some sense "God's chosen people," while on the other hand they MUST remain a blood-guilty race of enemies (Rom. 11:28) who are opposed to all men, and whose metropolis is "Egypt" and "Sodom", and therefore require ongoing, SPECIAL, punishment from God until Revelation 11 is fulfilled.
This is the hateful fruit of consistent futurism.

In the preterist doctrine, in contrast, Jerusalem was "given to the nations" by God in the late 60's, A.D., and the Great City was then trampled under foot for 42 months, exactly as prophesied, until it was destroyed in A. D. 70. In those terrible "days of vengeance," the wrath of God against the Jews came to the utmost (I Thess. 2:16; Heb. 10:26-31) and they paid the price for their Messianic blood-guilt to the last penny (Lk. 12:54-59).

After that day, the blood-descendants of Abraham became --covenantally speaking-- simply one of the many ethnic classes in the family of man (Eph. 3:15) and are no more accepted or rejected by God than any other ethnicity because of their DNA.

How many lives would have been saved if this preterist view of Israel in Bible prophecy had been taught instead of consistent futurism?

Probably millions.

BABerean2 said:

Based on 1 John 2:22-23, all humans who do not have a relationship with God's Son will be punished. It does not matter who they claim to be.....
Are we "biased" against a group of people for pointing out that they are lost without Christ?
What would the Apostle Paul say?

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I contrast to the Futurist view posted above that today's Jews require a unique, ongoing, SPECIAL punishment from God that the rest of the ethnic groups in the family of Man do not, The Apostle Paul would say there is not one ethnic group (or "race") of men today that is in any sense rejected by God or favored by God over others, but all are freely accepted in Christ and are made One through faith in Him, and all who reject Him are lost.

sovereigngrace said:

Yes to heaven, no to earth.

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It appears we are in agreement that the the Promises as stated in revelation 21:4 Are a present reality for those who go home to be with the Lord.