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For older persons and persons with underlying conditions (respiratory problems, diabetes, high blood pressure/heart problems and cancer) a word of caution. This also needs to be a matter of prayer and requests for the Lord''s protection in terms of the decisions you make. In the US and other countries there is pressure to lift restrictions implemented because of the Corona Virus. Until a vaccine and effective treatments become available there is risk in mingling with others and going out amongst the public. In our local area alerts have been publicized in the local media of employees and customers who have had contact with the public at Walmart, supermarkets and pharmacies.
 

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Thank you only a sojourner. I agree that we need to be cautious and practice social distancing as well as frequent handwashing.

It's funny how going out has changed. When I walked down town to collect my prescription, the other day, I was careful not to touch the button on the pedestrian crossing, gave other pedestrians a wide berth and joined a socially-distancing queue outside the pharmacy. (They were only letting in four people at a time.) Everyone was very good-natured about it thankfully. Shopping is worse I find, particularly with narrow aisles. I've managed to get a couple of deliveries one on Monday and another a couple of weeks later. If you can get the delivery slots it seems to be a good way to get provisions.

I hope everyone keeps safe. :)
 
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Seems everyone now wants to get back to normal but, as stated it's not totally safe yet.

We have heard of two people lately that died of CV that were close to ones we know.

That's getting too close.

Be careful out there.

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Reminds me of a story. This is the first time in history where the healthy are quarantined along with the sick.

Huntingdon's account of the 10th century Danish king Canute has the king placing his throne on the seashore, and commanding the tide to stop so his feet would not get wet. "But," Huntingdon continues, "continuing to rise as usual [the tide] dashed over his feet and legs without respect to his royal person." (Henry of Huntingdon, "The Chronicle," p. 199)

Dalrymple applies the story as follows:
"Political power or office often gives those who possess it the illusion that they control events. That, after all, is the reason why the story of King Canute retains, and will always retain, its relevance to the current political situation." (Theodore Dalrymple in the "Salisbury Review," March 4, 2014)

Bottom line is the virus is going to do what it does and like all other viruses we have had to live with or die from. Changing our life doesn't change the outcome enough to make it worth the extra out of the ordinary efforts we are making to our lives this time.
 
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A word of caution especially if you have an undelying condition. I was at a popular national chain fast food restaurant yesterday with my wife. Because there was a long wait at the drive through we decided to go inside for pick up. Almost half of the young people actually involved in preparing food were not wearing masks. The girl at the drive through was wearing a mask perhaps creating the illusion that precautionary measures were being utilized.
 
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A word of caution especially if you have an undelying condition. I was at a popular national chain fast food restaurant yesterday with my wife. Because there was a long wait at the drive through we decided to go inside for pick up. Almost half of the young people actually involved in preparing food were not wearing masks. The girl at the drive through was wearing a mask perhaps creating the illusion that precautionary measures were being utilized.
Do face masks really reduce coronavirus spread? Experts have mixed answers. | Live Science
 
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I was interupted and my message was unintentionally posted before I could finish. Here is the continuation.

be uncomfortable when preparing food especially in a hot environment. Whether you decide to purchase food at a restaurant is of course a personal decision everyone has to make. I just wanted to make clear to older persons with underlying conditions that they could not assume that person's in restaurants preparing food were wearing masks and otherwise taking precautions.
 
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“While influenza vaccination offers protection against influenza, natural influenza infection may reduce the risk of non-influenza respiratory viruses by providing temporary, non-specific immunity against these viruses. On the other hand, recently published studies have described the phenomenon of vaccine-associated virus interference; that is, vaccinated individuals may be at increased risk for other respiratory viruses because they do not receive the non-specific immunity associated with natural infection.” Flu Vaccine Increases Coronavirus Risk 36% Says Military Study
 
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Visionary, I beeve vaccines are effective and that social distancong works. For example polio was a terrible scourge before the Salk vaccine but the widespread use of the vaccine has essentially eliminated the disease in the US. Viruses like the flu and Corona Virus are transmitted between people. Children transmit the flu from schoolmates to their parents and people catch it from others that they work with. It stands to reason that caution about social contacts is prudent behavior in our current situation. For those who are vulnerable and weak because of their medical condition there is all the more reason to be careful to the extent you are able to do this. Of course our ultimate trust and dependence in all circumstances is in the Lord Jesus and we need to be sensitive to his leading in these matters. I listen to science but I trust in Jesus more.
 
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Visionary, I beeve vaccines are effective and that social distancong works. For example polio was a terrible scourge before the Salk vaccine but the widespread use of the vaccine has essentially eliminated the disease in the US. Viruses like the flu and Corona Virus are transmitted between people. Children transmit the flu from schoolmates to their parents and people catch it from others that they work with. It stands to reason that caution about social contacts is prudent behavior in our current situation. For those who are vulnerable and weak because of their medical condition there is all the more reason to be careful to the extent you are able to do this. Of course our ultimate trust and dependence in all circumstances is in the Lord Jesus and we need to be sensitive to his leading in these matters. I listen to science but I trust in Jesus more.
Coronaviruses are a group of viruses that attack the upper and lower respiratory tracts in humans and cause a range of illnesses from the common cold to more serious forms such as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and the Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) which are life-threatening.

You point to history where the vaccine was not overly filled with poison, unnecessary additives, and other questionable chemicals. Today the efficiency of the vaccine is over shadowed by nano technology, baby cells, monkey cells, formaldehyde. mercury poison, etc all of which have their own negative effects on the human body. It then becomes questionable as to whether it is worth it. I am all for someone to create a clean vaccine like we use to get, where it had very little of anything else in it.

Regarding the fetal DNA cells with in the vaccine. Your body has the ability to recognize "self" and "non-self" through innate immunity, your body will attack anything that is not self and try to destroy it. That is an inflammatory reaction, that can be throughout the body. There are two reactions the body has to these foreign DNA cells. Your immune system would respond to the DNA as it would to any invader - latching on and breaking it down or if it accepts the DNA of the fetal cell, then it would integrate that DNA into their own. Problem is that this could be the opposite sex DNA which would interfere with sexual identity. https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/08/15/male...Aug 15, 2017 · Male DNA Is Often Found In Women's Brains. That article references this study, which found male cells in 37 out of 59 women’s brain because our immune defenses rapidly eradicate foreign cells. DNA vaccines, which contain a gene or genes encoding a particular antigen(s), have so far only been licensed for veterinary use.

Regarding monkey cells, again the issue of inflammatory reactions.

Mercury -The US EPA has set a maximum level of safe daily intake at 0.1 micrograms per kg of user weight. Most vaccines had blood mercury levels ranging from 1 to 2 ng/mL, and the highest level found was 4.11 ng/mL. Children and unborn babies are the most vulnerable to the effects of mercury poisoning. Mercury is most notable for its neurological effects. In general, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration Trusted Source says that too much mercury can cause anxiety, depression, irritability, memory problems, numbness, pathologic shyness, tremors.
More often, mercury poisoning builds up over time. However, a sudden onset of any of these symptoms could be a sign of acute toxicity. High amounts of mercury can lead to long-term and sometimes permanent neurological changes. The dangers are especially notable in young children who are still developing.

Formaldehyde - Dangers of Using Products Containing Formaldehyde. Watery, burning eyes, nose and throat, asthmatic attacks, skin irritation, headaches and nausea are all possible short term side effects of formaldehyde exposure. Long term effects include cancer and possibly leukemia.

Nanoparticles are so small that they can move through our body without disrupting other functions, such as those of the immune system. Because of their size, nanoparticles are pervasive (too pervasive, maybe) to seep through other parts of the body. Iron-based nanoparticles could be directed with magnetic fields to target specific organs in the body, such as lungs and other areas susceptible to respiratory complications after contracting viral infections. Chinese research team has developed a novel class of peptide inhibitors based on gold nanorods, which selectively target coronavirus’s S protein and disrupt its activity Novel Gold Nanorod-Based HR1 Peptide Inhibitor for Middle East Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus
 
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This doctor who knows a lot about what is going on is concerned that all things do not add up. Dr. Andrew Kaufman and the Exosomes (Coronavirus Truth)

My hubby in Jan of this year had an upper respiratory infection so bad that he "couldn't breath", and the ER did blood work and came back to say that the white cells count was not up, indicating the body is not fighting an infection. Strange, since he clearly had upper respiratory infection so bad, to have severe coughing fits, and feeling so sick. Dr. prescribed antibiotics for the upper respiratory infection and still diagnosed it as such.
 
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Visionary, I believe vaccines are effective and that social distancing works. For example polio was a terrible scourge before the Salk vaccine but the widespread use of the vaccine has essentially eliminated the disease in the US. Viruses like the flu and Corona Virus are transmitted between people. Children transmit the flu from schoolmates to their parents and people catch it from others that they work with. It stands to reason that caution about social contacts is prudent behavior in our current situation. For those who are vulnerable and weak because of their medical condition there is all the more reason to be careful to the extent you are able to do this. Of course our ultimate trust and dependence in all circumstances is in the Lord Jesus and we need to be sensitive to his leading in these matters. I listen to science but I trust in Jesus more.
Up to this time in history, it has always been the sick or vulnerable who are quarantined. I believe it should have remained so, even in this case. Because of those who are involved in creating this current lockdown orders, I have huge concerns about their motives. For this reason, I am focusing not on the virus itself, but on the backdrop of who is behind it and why?
 
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Normal self... Since this was before Corona test kits were available, we will never know.

By normal self I presume that you mean that he is over his respiratory symptoms
 
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I strongly suspect that it will be up to people with underlying conditions and the infirm to use utmost vigilance to protect themselves from the Corona Virus as the US continues to open up. I do not think it likely that if there is a resurgence of the virus that restrictions are likely to return anywhere near the level experienced in April or May however severe any outbreak.
 
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Visionary, I beeve vaccines are effective and that social distancong works. For example polio was a terrible scourge before the Salk vaccine but the widespread use of the vaccine has essentially eliminated the disease in the US. Viruses like the flu and Corona Virus are transmitted between people. Children transmit the flu from schoolmates to their parents and people catch it from others that they work with. It stands to reason that caution about social contacts is prudent behavior in our current situation. For those who are vulnerable and weak because of their medical condition there is all the more reason to be careful to the extent you are able to do this. Of course our ultimate trust and dependence in all circumstances is in the Lord Jesus and we need to be sensitive to his leading in these matters. I listen to science but I trust in Jesus more.
 
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Have you considered that the vaccines created when we were young were honestly developed for the particular illnesses they prevented (most likely)? That's not the case with this upcoming two-dose vaccine. Think dangerous and sinister ingredient list, administered with the most evil and sinister intent.
 
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