The Sabbath of the TEN Commandments - for all mankind (V2)

HARK! said:

There is one law even for those haven't fully laid down their lives for Messiah yet:

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What percentage of your salvation comes from Christ, and what percentage comes from you?

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Andre_b said:

You again are like a Pharisee changing the laws of God. That's exactly my point of a Pharisee.

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You need to learn to not insult other people, you must love others.

A Pharisee is drilled in legalism. A Pharisee is an expert in the law. Paul the apostle was a Pharisee and an expert in the law.

I do not promote the law, you promote your interpretation of the law. Your much closer to the Pharisee brand than I will ever be. So how did the Pharisees fail in their interpretation of the law?

Simply because they misunderstood the purpose of the law!

The purpose of the law was to grant the knowledge of what sin is. The law is weak and useless and does not advance the love of others. The law generates self righteous people and the Pharisees were the elite in that self determined righteousness. That is why they did not recognize love in it's purest form, the man Christ Jesus.

Andre_b said:

You don't even know what Love one another means.

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I certainly do know what love means.

You just like quoting something that says commandment and make believe it replaces all the other ones.

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I quoted from John's first letter and that was what he said. Why accuse me of annulling the law of Moses? John was the one who did that.

If it's only love one another then why is tables of the heart plural, and why would he say in the same line tables of stone, you are full of denial of straightforward scripture and quote something that has nothing to do with 2 Corinthians 3:2-3.

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The word 'tables' is plural and so is the word 'hearts' in my translation. You don't use a chisel on the heart.

Since I love my neighbours I guess I should marry them since I "love" them according to you.

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The type of love referred to in the New Testament is agape love. Which is universal, unconditional, love in it's purest form. Divine love spoken into our hearts by the breath of God Himself.

You also forgot the two greatest commandments which are a summary of the Ten.

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A summary of the ten commandments or a summary of the law and the prophets?

Matthew 22:40
On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.

Your argument collapses here because you misquoted what Jesus actually said.

That's why the Pharisees knew what he was talking about when he told them that because they were trying to have him pick one. Just like you are picking only one. A new commandment doesn't mean replace. Jesus says I didn't come to destroy but to "fulfilled" you know, as make it more full. You are the one destroying the law.

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I establish the law, not the ten commandments, I establish the entire law.

1. Loyalty: No other God's. Demonstrate love.
2. Worship: Prohibits worship of images. Demonstrate love.
3. Reverence: Respect His holy name. Demonstrate love.
4. Remember the Sabbath, His holy day. Do good. Demonstrate love.
5. Love our parents by honoring them. Demonstrate love.
6. Respect for human life. Demonstrate love, not hatred, toward others.
7. Purity in relationships. Demonstrate love by not committing adultery.
8. Honesty. Do not steal. Demonstrate our love, don't steal
9. Truthfulness. Do not lie or deceive others. Demonstrate our love.
10. Contentment. Do not covet. Demonstrate love.

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None of these laws above have anything to do with love. Your trying to assert that not coveting your neighbors donkey is loving others?

Read the scripture.

BobRyan said:

and then we have



interesting sequence in that post..

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Correct Bob, the one making the accusations was the one promoting the ten commandments. The one throwing the rocks was the Pharisee.

klutedavid said:

Correct Bob, the one making the accusations was the one promoting the ten commandments. The one throwing the rocks was the Pharisee.

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The Pharisees invented Laws, what don't you understand? It's exactly what I've been telling you but you ignore this fact. They were experts in their own laws, the Talmud/traditions of men, not The bible.

Andre_b said:

The Pharisees invented Laws, what don't you understand? It's exactly what I've been telling you but you ignore this fact. They were experts in their own laws, the Talmud/traditions of men, not The bible.

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One of the factors that distinguished the Pharisees from other groups prior to the destruction of the Temple was their belief that all Jews had to observe the purity laws (which applied to the Temple service) outside the Temple. The major difference, however, was the continued adherence of the Pharisees to the laws and traditions of the Jewish people in the face of assimilation. As Josephus noted, the Pharisees were considered the most expert and accurate expositors of Jewish law. (Pharisee, wikipedia)

Jesus told the disciple that they had to listen to the Pharisees.

Matthew 23
Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them."

You are misinformed about the Pharisees, they knew the law intricately. That was there occupation, the interpretation of the scripture.

HARK! said:

Do you buy your tzitzits; or do you make your own?

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The law delivers a knowledge of sin and Jesus is the solution for that sin.

HARK! said:

They have everything to do with love.

(CLV) Jn 14:15
If you should be loving Me, you will be keeping My precepts.

From Decalogue
(CLV) Ex 20:6
yet showing benignity to thousands, to those loving Me and observing My instructions.

God said so. God trumps opinion.

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I somehow don't think that circumcision will make your heart, overflow with love for others.

Nor do I believe that the written law will grant a person, the necessary righteousness to enter heaven.

The law trips you over so that when you look up. You see His Majesty bending down to pick you up. That is the sole purpose of the law, to break down your lofty self opinion.

HARK! said:

Is not the law a component of the law and the prophets?



Nonsense.

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What the quotation?

HARK! said:

That's the kind of love that John said we are to keep YHWH's commandments with.


(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,

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Correct. The law condemned you and Jesus forgave and justified you.

Your debt to Jesus for His profound unconditional love for you, Hark. Is that you now display that unconditional love towards others. That is the only outstanding thing you now owe God.

Romans 13:8
Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.

I have fulfilled the law in it's entirety.

Waiting for the accusations...

HARK! said:

No he didn't. John would contradict Yahshua.

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

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So your still constructing stone altars and sacrificing bulls?

Exodus 20:24
You shall make an altar of earth for Me, and you shall sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen; in every place where I cause My name to be remembered, I will come to you and bless you.

That is a commandment in Exodus 20.

Has the law been annulled or not?