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That's confusion, simply because the Luke 21 version of Christ's Olivet discourse is not talking about the "abomination of desolation".

Only the Matthew 24 and Mark 13 versions speak of the "abomination of desolation", which is the placing of an idol in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem 'during' the tribulation.

The Luke 21 version when speaking of the desolation because of the armies surrounding Jerusalem, is about the battle Christ fights with His army at His coming, which is what the Luke 21:22 "days of vengeance" is about. It is pointing to the "day of the Lord" events.

Thus the desolation caused by the armies surrounding Jerusalem on the last day is NOT the "abomination of desolation" which is about idol worship during the great tribulation, which is prior to the last day.
Its not about the last day of the universe/planet, but about the last days of the Israel's era, the last days of the Old Covenant. Which was fulfilled in the lives of His generation, as predicted.

All the innocent blood from Abel to the last Old covenant prophet was counted to that generation.

The great tribulation happened between 66-70 AD. If it was meant to be before the end of the world, it would have no meaning to say that there will be no bigger tribulation after it.
 
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5. The Vatican did not exist when the Revelation was written, and its claims regarding headship and to being the headquarters of the Christian churches are spurious (the headquarters and head of the church is in Michigan. Oh wait, sorry, it's in Jamaica. O wait, sorry, ..)

True but the bible proves that this "little horn" in Daniel 7:8 is the papacy. With the Pope backing king Clovis of France/Franks. The defeated the Visigoths in 508Ad.

Daniel 7:20 also testifies that it is the Papacy because the Popes of old have said some very outlandish things, such as reigning in God's stead on earth, etc.

Daniel 7:25 says it thinks to change times and laws, which it has. God's Sabbath day for one and his feast days.

Daniel 7:21 this same horn has made war with the saints and the dark ages testify to this. There are many examples in history.

6. There isn't only one "Christian" harlot.

True but there is a mother of harlots per revelation 17.

I don't know what the timing of the A.O.D is or was, nor what the A.O.D itself is or was, but I do believe it's possible that the prophecy which the Lord gave may be repeated at the end of the Age, because:

Jesus opened the Olivet Discourse by saying that at the time when ethnic nation is rising against ethnic nation and political realm against political realm, they (His disciples) will be delivered up to tribulation and be killed, and will be hated of all nations for His name's sake. Then, after saying that the gospel of the Kingdom of Christ will first be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations, He speaks about the A.O.D as though it's the sign that this is going to be the greatest tribulation ever experienced by the people of Judea - but in the same breath He states that His elect will be gathered immediately after this tribulation (Matthew 24:9-31).

A church using the state to persecute per the OP.

1. The harlot is a city (Revelation 17:18).

The harlot also have daughters seeing that she is a mother according to Rev 17:5. So she is a city as well which is part of the overall description of who this mother is.
 
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HI you go back to Ezekiel 36-40 and you see it is addressed to those who have been brought back to the mountains of Israel that have long been desolate. In Israel when Islam took over they put in a tree tax and the forests were cut down. Israel was indeed a desolation for many years. Mark Twain wrote about it. The Bible says Israel will be desolate when the Jews are in exile but will bloom like the garden of Eden when they return. Well that has held true to. God promises these who are gathered back that He will remove the reproach of nations and be hallowed in their eyes. He also notes that these who have been gathered back were brought back for the LORD's Own Name sake and that they had profaned His name in all the nations where they were scattered. The world is moving towards a one world government. The pope is pushing a one world religion where all paths are the same. the cashless system is ready to be installed. The Temple sacrifice is all prepared for. Rev 6 has hyperinflation on a global level and ethnic wars all over the earth and we see the migration all over the world has set up these battle lines. Hosea 3 speaking of the return of the kingdom links it to the return of the sacrifice after many days without one. In Jesus day the sacrifice was still going so this sign is later.
4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. 5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They shall fear the LORD and His goodness in the latter days.
Look at the before and after picture associated with the 2nd coming. Israel is saved. There is world peace. A new river flows year round and the dead sea is healed. There is an abundance of grain in the earth. Satan is bound the nations are no longer deceived. In every account of the coming of the kingdom it is when the LORD comes in ZEch 14 and Jerusalem is being overrun and the LORD slays His enemies and then the LORD is king over all the earth. Same with Dan 7 a pompous ruler rises up and he is persecuting for a time times and half a time and he is destroyed when the kingdom is given to the son of man which is glorious before the ancient of days. His kingdom covers the earth and has no end. In Rev the kingdoms of this earth become the kingdoms of our LORD and His Christ who shall reign forever when Armageddon takes place and the beast and false prophet are thrown into the fire. This is the day of Jezreel Hosea speaks of where it was said those arenot my people shall be called sons of the living God.
This holds Jesus to fulfill Luke 1 exactly with Jesus taking the throne of David and keeping the oaths and performing the covenants that Israel shall be delivered from their enemies and from that point on they will worship and serve the LORD.

67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who have been since the world began,
71 That we should be saved from our enemies
And from the hand of all who hate us,
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers
And to remember His holy covenant,
73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
74 To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.


This my friend is future and I could tie together another 100 prophecies that all tell the same future story.

The gospel of spiritual side of being in the kingdom of heaven is truly a spiritual kingdom and all who's names are in the Lamb's book of life are in the kingdom. The throne of David and the LORD being king over all the earth is not a mutually exclusive idea and both are true and will play out exactly as promised.

Hello my friend. In regards to Israel being fully back it really isn't so when you truly think on it.

1. The nation of old was complete, as in not divide like it is now. Yes they are a nation but Jerusalem is still divided.

2. Jesus said their house is left unto them desolate, and he does not go back on his word. True there are Jews who have come to know the Messiah but a majority of the nation still fully reject Christ.

3. Daniel 9:24 is when the probation for Israel was stated. 490 years is 70 weeks in prophecy. That started at the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, which happened in 457 bc, Ezra 7 mentions this decree. Those 490 years ended in 33 ad with the stoning of Stephen. This was it for Israel, even though out of mercy he didn't allow it to come to pass until 70 ad.

We have to remember that the covenant God has made per Jeremiah 31:31 is the same as Ezekiel 37:26 and Hebrews 8:10, is a covenant with Israel and the house of Judah. There is no promise to the Gentiles being in this covenant. We are grafted in remember.

As stated in earlier post all of the time prophecies have passed. We are near the end, when the image of the beast is to be formed.
 
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When you say "soon to happen" do you mean the same thing the apostles meant when they said these things were "soon to happen" or do you mean something different?
 
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True but the bible proves that this "little horn" in Daniel 7:8 is the papacy. With the Pope backing king Clovis of France/Franks. The defeated the Visigoths in 508Ad.

Daniel 7:20 also testifies that it is the Papacy because the Popes of old have said some very outlandish things, such as reigning in God's stead on earth, etc.

Daniel 7:25 says it thinks to change times and laws, which it has. God's Sabbath day for one and his feast days.

Daniel 7:21 this same horn has made war with the saints and the dark ages testify to this. There are many examples in history.


Do you know anything about what Antiochus Epiphanes did during 167 B.C. ?

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From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.



John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.


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Matthew 24:14-15
[14]And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; AND THEN SHALL THE END COME.
[15]When ye therefore shall see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Revelation 13:v.5- 5 And there was given unto him-unto the blasphemer Beast of the sea-a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months - 1.260 days- it because the Beast of the earth, a false lamb with two horns, whose man speaks as Dragon-Revelation 13:v.11- will give to the Beast of sea his Power, and his Seat, and great Authority, as is written in Revelation 13:v.2.~~>(sea-->peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues).

Therefore, who will RULE the FIRST 1260 days or 3 years and half is the Beast of sea-Rev.13:v.5, but linked to the Beast like a lamb. Who is the Beast of sea? He is the Pope, ruler and guide of the RCC. This Gentile Beast has not Power to rule WITHOUT FIRSTLY receive the Power, and the Throne, and Authority of the Beast who has two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a Dragon. This is a Jewish Beast, IN FACT, the MAN of sin, the SON of perdition, a former cherub, and he will manifest himself as a MESSIAH, a false messiah, evidently, AN IMPOSTOR, understand? THIS MAN was already born decades ago, and MUST manifest himself soon.

Then there will be TWO BEASTS SIMULTANEOUSLY IN THE LAST WEEK AS SOON AS MANIFEST THE BEAST LIKE A LAMB, THE FALSE MESSIAH. John 5:v.43

LAST WEEK-There will be TWO BEASTS in the EARTH-MID||POINT 3YEARS and HALF
|..................................................................................|MID||POINT|............................................................................|

|Beast of sea sits on throne of Beast like lamb-1260d||Beast like a lamb will rule last 1260 days+30days-GT | Gap 45 days | DAY 1335
|42 months begins - there will be war - Rev. 13:7&5-6 ||.Beast as a lamb retakes its throne-1290 days -GT ....| Gap 45 days | DAY 1335

Daniel 12:v.12-Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. DAY 1335 ---> DAY OF RETURN OF JESUS
 
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Revelation 13:v.5- 5 And there was given unto him-unto the blasphemer Beast of the sea-a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months - 1.260 days- it because the Beast of the earth, a false lamb with two horns, whose man speaks as Dragon-Revelation 13:v.11- will give to the Beast of sea his Power, and his Seat, and great Authority, as is written in Revelation 13:v.2.~~>(sea-->peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues).

Therefore, who will RULE the FIRST 1260 days or 3 years and half is the Beast of sea-Rev.13:v.5, but linked to the Beast like a lamb. Who is the Beast of sea? He is the Pope, ruler and guide of the RCC. This Gentile Beast has not Power to rule WITHOUT FIRSTLY receive the Power, and the Throne, and Authority of the Beast who has two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a Dragon. This is a Jewish Beast, IN FACT, the MAN of sin, the SON of perdition, a former cherub, and he will manifest himself as a MESSIAH, a false messiah, evidently, AN IMPOSTOR, understand? THIS MAN was already born decades ago, and MUST manifest himself soon.

Then there will be TWO BEASTS SIMULTANEOUSLY IN THE LAST WEEK AS SOON AS MANIFEST THE BEAST LIKE A LAMB, THE FALSE MESSIAH. John 5:v.43

LAST WEEK-There will be TWO BEASTS in the EARTH-MID||POINT 3YEARS and HALF
|..................................................................................|MID||POINT|............................................................................|

|Beast of sea sits on throne of Beast like lamb-1260d||Beast like a lamb will rule last 1260 days+30days-GT | Gap 45 days | DAY 1335
|42 months begins - there will be war - Rev. 13:7&5-6 ||.Beast as a lamb retakes its throne-1290 days -GT ....| Gap 45 days | DAY 1335

Daniel 12:v.12-Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. DAY 1335 ---> DAY OF RETURN OF JESUS

In Revelation, I can only identify 3 evil characters, which seem to align with Daniel:
1) The Dragon (Satan or the devil)
2) The 1st Beast (7 heads)
3) The 2nd Beast (False Profit)

What is interesting to me are "the mouths". We read when the (3) spirits like frogs came out of their mouths.

Rev 16
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.



Notice in Rev 13:5 as we read about the mouth of the 2nd beast (false profit). In fact, this seams like it is actually the mouth of the image of the beast. The false profit gave power of life to the image that it should both speak and kill those who did not worship the image. Well it spoke and killed the saints in (Rev 13:7).

Rev 13
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.



The 2nd beast (false profit) was in fact, one of the heads of the 1st beast with 7 heads. It was the head that was wounded and then was healed. It was healed when it descended out of the pit and went into perdition. But the dragon gave power to the beast with 7 heads. The beast with 7 heads gave power to the 2nd beast (false profit). The 42 months was directly related to the 2nd beast (false profit) that went into perdition.

Rev 17
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.


The mouth of the dragon can be seen in (Rev 12:15 & 16)
Rev 12
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
 
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The 2nd beast (false profit) was in fact, one of the heads of the 1st beast with 7 heads. It was the head that was wounded and then was healed. It was healed when it descended out of the pit and went into perdition. But the dragon gave power to the beast with 7 heads. The beast with 7 heads gave power to the 2nd beast (false profit). The 42 months was directly related to the 2nd beast (false profit) that went into perdition.
Welcome to the forum, TMarcum.

The 2nd beast comes out of the the earth and is not one of the heads of the 1st beast, which comes out of the sea.

The heads on the first beast are 7 kings. The mortally wounded and then healed head - is king 7 of that series of kings. The forthcoming little horn person in Daniel 7 and 8.

That person will be killed and brought back to life. When he comes back to life, he becomes king 8 of that kingdom (represented by the beast as well) - called the beast Revelation in 17:11.

If you can visualize, the first beast has 7 heads, but the mortally wounded and healed head is more prominent (larger) and has a mouth as the mouth of the lion, that speaks against God and them in heaven.

It indicates only one mouth on the beast, is why I think that head is larger and more prominent, than the other heads.

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
 
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In Revelation, I can only identify 3 evil characters, which seem to align with Daniel:
1) The Dragon (Satan or the devil)
2) The 1st Beast (7 heads)
3) The 2nd Beast (False Profit)

What is interesting to me are "the mouths". We read when the (3) spirits like frogs came out of their mouths.

Rev 16
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Hi TMarcum
Greetings
Yes, it is very interesting and very profound too.


1) The Dragon (Satan or the devil)


In my view, the Dragon is a spiritual and religious monster, whose body is formed by 7 heads, 10 horns and a terrible tail.
I would say that the body of the Dragon is formed by powerful religious systems established on earth, in fact a satanic trinity, named and known as the Power of Antichrist, developed by the Devil exclusively to confront and combat true Christianity, true Christians or true believers.
It is up to us to identify each of the parts that make up the body of this terrible and spiritual monster - the Dragon - to fight it with wisdom and with a heavenly strategy.


2) The 1st Beast (7 heads)

The FIRST Beast we can identify not only who is this MAN, but also his old devilish religious system, and his structures around the world, in Revelation 13:v.1-10 and Revelation 17.

Speaking of the religious and powerful FIRST Beast, we can identify not only who is this MAN, but also his very old devilish religious system, and his structures spread around the world, as is written in Revelation 13:v.1-10 and Revelation 17. Note that this very old Beast has 7 heads, and 10 horns, and upon his (10)horns ten crowns, and upon his (7) heads the name of blasphemy. Why? It because this old Beast is linked in the body of the Dragon, his religious system makes part of the Dragon's body.

But what are these 7 heads? Revelation 17 says they are 7 hills or mountains, and they are also 7 kings of the religious system of the Beast of sea. It is interesting that upon the 7 heads of this Beast (upon the 7 mountains) there is a NAME of blasphemy. What is this NAME or title extensible to 7 mountains? Would not be "Vicarius Filii Dei? Filii Dei? or Filii of Devil, the Dragon?

Many people thinks the 7 mountains or hills are placed in the Vatican City, This interpretation has not any sense, because the woman -the Great harlot- the RCC -, which rides UPON the Beast, the Papacy, is sat upon many waters (Rev.17:v.1) , and the waters where the harlot sits, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues-Rvelation 17:v.15. This picture has nothing to do with the 7 hills of Vatican city.

In fact, the RCC is placed in whole earth, in its 7 regions, that are: Europe, and Asia, and Africa, and Oceania(Austrália), and North America, and Central America, and South America. Furthermore, ONE OF THE 7 HEADS, will be wounded to death, so a mountain will never be wounded, but the population of the South America, for example, may be punished and be wounded mortally.

The 7 heads are 7 kings of the religious system of the Beast of sea. These 7 kings are not out of the religious structures of the Beast of sea, the Papacy, but they are within the religious system, and in the hierarchy of the RCC, in fact they are, in my vision, a lineage of Popes, and in accord Scriptures five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space (42 months?). Around 265 Popes were elected by the RCC, and among them there are 7 specific Popes that fit in this prophecy. We are in 2020 and in my vision today is not more "five fallen", but six fallen, and teh seventh is not yet come. Who are them? In my vision, they are: Paulus I, Paulus II, Paulus III, Paulus IV, Paulus V, Paulus VI, and Paulus VII is not yet come, and he should be elected after Pope Francis and he will be the last Pope.

And what to say on 10 kings? Its very hard. Sorry, I will not comment now because it is too late. I will do next post, inclusive will comment on your item " 3) The 2nd Beast (False Profit) ".

It is interesting also to comment about the TAIL of the Dragon, besides the FIRST Beast commented above. By the way, who you think is the terrible TAIL of the Dragon, as is written in Revelation 12:v.4.- 4 And his TAIL drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon ...

May our LORD God bless and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen
 
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Hello my friend. In regards to Israel being fully back it really isn't so when you truly think on it.

1. The nation of old was complete, as in not divide like it is now. Yes they are a nation but Jerusalem is still divided.

2. Jesus said their house is left unto them desolate, and he does not go back on his word. True there are Jews who have come to know the Messiah but a majority of the nation still fully reject Christ.

3. Daniel 9:24 is when the probation for Israel was stated. 490 years is 70 weeks in prophecy. That started at the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, which happened in 457 bc, Ezra 7 mentions this decree. Those 490 years ended in 33 ad with the stoning of Stephen. This was it for Israel, even though out of mercy he didn't allow it to come to pass until 70 ad.

We have to remember that the covenant God has made per Jeremiah 31:31 is the same as Ezekiel 37:26 and Hebrews 8:10, is a covenant with Israel and the house of Judah. There is no promise to the Gentiles being in this covenant. We are grafted in remember.

As stated in earlier post all of the time prophecies have passed. We are near the end, when the image of the beast is to be formed.

Thank you for sharing your interpretation here.

I must confess that I remain very confused, though, because many claim to have the puzzle of the End Times worked out, but they do not agree.

However, the establishment of the nation of Israel - the regathering of the Jews in their Promised Land - must be of prophetic fulfillment, in my view. As other posters have expressed, non-Messianic Jewish groups, such as the Temple Foundation, have as their sole purpose the rebuilding of that structure. The Cohenic line is confirmed both through family tradition and DNA, and young men are being trained to serve as priests. These devout Jews await only the birth of a Red Heifer, a confirmed location and permission of the Israeli government (perhaps also, the Chief Rabbinate?) to begin construction.

It is true that God may halt their progress. Thankfully, as Christians, we can keep our eyes on Jesus in these Last Days, as our Redemption draweth nigh.
 
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Thank you for sharing your interpretation here.

I must confess that I remain very confused, though, because many claim to have the puzzle of the End Times worked out, but they do not agree.

However, the establishment of the nation of Israel - the regathering of the Jews in their Promised Land - must be of prophetic fulfillment, in my view. As other posters have expressed, non-Messianic Jewish groups, such as the Temple Foundation, have as their sole purpose the rebuilding of that structure. The Cohenic line is confirmed both through family tradition and DNA, and young men are being trained to serve as priests. These devout Jews await only the birth of a Red Heifer, a confirmed location and permission of the Israeli government (perhaps also, the Chief Rabbinate?) to begin construction.

It is true that God may halt their progress. Thankfully, as Christians, we can keep our eyes on Jesus in these Last Days, as our Redemption draweth nigh.

There is alot of misinformation out here about the end times in large part due to the devil. If you love the word of God above all things, i have a few videos of a bible based prophecy explaining it in depth. Most everyone is looking to Jerusalem for the fulfillment and will miss the sign that Jesus told us not to miss. Always as the Lord the truth of the matter and hold him to his promise that he cannot lie, which is what i did. Love the truth and it will set you free, even if our interpretation of scriptures don't agree with it. Be blessed.
 
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When you say "soon to happen" do you mean the same thing the apostles meant when they said these things were "soon to happen" or do you mean something different?

Based off the OP, the sign is the church and state union, it has been in process of being formed since September 24, 2015. This is when the pope entered the heart of the US lawmaking assembly, which has never been done. Also the Vatican flag flew for the first time.

The abomination of the harlot of Babylon in Revelation 17, is the fornication with the kings of the earth. Using the kings/presidents/prime ministers of the earth to enforce its doctrines. What i say is truth, but ask the Lord if what i say is true. Prove all things by the bible. I was like many others and was thinking it was this and that. I asked the Lord who cannot lie and i have recieved the truth with joy in my heart.

This is not my interpretation though, this is all from the word of God. We are to be giving the 3rd angels message of Revelation14 right now to prepare people for what is about to happen on this earth.
 
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Welcome to the forum, TMarcum.

The 2nd beast comes out of the the earth and is not one of the heads of the 1st beast, which comes out of the sea.

The heads on the first beast are 7 kings. The mortally wounded and then healed head - is king 7 of that series of kings. The forthcoming little horn person in Daniel 7 and 8.

That person will be killed and brought back to life. When he comes back to life, he becomes king 8 of that kingdom (represented by the beast as well) - called the beast Revelation in 17:11.

If you can visualize, the first beast has 7 heads, but the mortally wounded and healed head is more prominent (larger) and has a mouth as the mouth of the lion, that speaks against God and them in heaven.

It indicates only one mouth on the beast, is why I think that head is larger and more prominent, than the other heads.

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Some get caught up in details, whether it arose out of the land or out of the sea. I believe this is less relevant than the fact; all (3); the Dragon, Beast, and False Prophet are all "as one" or agreeing as one (mimicking the holy trinity).

They all share the same 7 heads, and these heads are the same 7 kingdoms.

The false profit is the 8th head and is of the 7th head of the 1st beast (Rev 17:11).
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

As I stated, they all share the 7 heads
The 7 heads are first shown on the dragon in Rev 12.
The 7 heads are then shown on the 1st Beast in Rev 13.
The 7 heads are lastly shown on the 2nd beast (False Prophet) in Rev 11 & 17.

The he goat with the notable horn in Daniel that was broken off and 3 came up in it's place are most likely the king of the 7th head that was wounded. I believe when it was healed, was when the other (2) horns that represent the false profit arose.
 
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Some get caught up in details, whether it arose out of the land or out of the sea. I believe this is less relevant than the fact; all (3); the Dragon, Beast, and False Prophet are all "as one" or agreeing as one (mimicking the holy trinity).

They all share the same 7 heads, and these heads are the same 7 kingdoms.
Coming out of the sea, is generally considered coming out of the nation.

Coming out of the earth, is generally considered coming out of Israel.

Only the first beast is associated with the seven heads (kings) - of one kingdom - the fourth kingdom. As are are the ten horns (kings) of the fourth kingdom..

The false profit is the 8th head and is of the 7th head of the 1st beast (Rev 17:11).
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The false profit is not the beast. There are no 8 heads on the beast. There are only seven. Seven sequential kings.

In Revelation 19:20, it distinguishes the false prophet from the beast, as two separate persons.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

As I stated, they all share the 7 heads
The 7 heads are first shown on the dragon in Rev 12.
The 7 heads are then shown on the 1st Beast in Rev 13.
The 7 heads are lastly shown on the 2nd beast (False Prophet) in Rev 11 & 17.

The 7 heads are on the beast in those three chapters, agreed.

But you are not understanding why they have crowns or not, different in each of those three chapters.

In Chapter 17, no crowns, first century, the completion of the 7 kings is still future.

In Chapter 12, crowns, the 7 years have begun, and king 7 is in power, completing the 7 kings prophecy.

In Chapter 13, no crowns, one head (king) wounded/healed, the prophecy of the seven kings is over.

King 7 will have been killed/healed, to continue the short space (Revelation 17:10) of 42 months as the beast, 8th king of the Roman Empire (end times version is the EU).
 
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Thank you for sharing your interpretation here.

I must confess that I remain very confused, though, because many claim to have the puzzle of the End Times worked out, but they do not agree.

However, the establishment of the nation of Israel - the regathering of the Jews in their Promised Land - must be of prophetic fulfillment, in my view. As other posters have expressed, non-Messianic Jewish groups, such as the Temple Foundation, have as their sole purpose the rebuilding of that structure. The Cohenic line is confirmed both through family tradition and DNA, and young men are being trained to serve as priests. These devout Jews await only the birth of a Red Heifer, a confirmed location and permission of the Israeli government (perhaps also, the Chief Rabbinate?) to begin construction.

It is true that God may halt their progress. Thankfully, as Christians, we can keep our eyes on Jesus in these Last Days, as our Redemption draweth nigh.
This is a very good post. I agree with what you have said.

However, I do believe that the red heifer has been born.

I think it is now up to those in charge to agree on the site where the temple is going to be built.. I believe it will soon be descided that it is south of the temple mount in the place known as "The City of David".
 
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There is alot of misinformation out here about the end times in large part due to the devil. If you love the word of God above all things, i have a few videos of a bible based prophecy explaining it in depth. Most everyone is looking to Jerusalem for the fulfillment and will miss the sign that Jesus told us not to miss. Always as the Lord the truth of the matter and hold him to his promise that he cannot lie, which is what i did. Love the truth and it will set you free, even if our interpretation of scriptures don't agree with it. Be blessed.
It's nice to know that you are aware of the fact that there is misinformation out there and that some are deceived by the devil... just not you.... right?
 
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Only the first beast is associated with the seven heads (kings) - of one kingdom - the fourth kingdom. As are are the ten horns (kings) of the fourth kingdom.

The dragon (Satan or the devil) is also associated with 7 heads, 10 horns, and 7 crowns.
Revelation 12:3
And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.



The false profit is not the beast. There are no 8 heads on the beast. There are only seven. Seven sequential kings.

The false prophet is the 2nd beast of Rev 13:11 & Rev 11:7

The false prophet is of the second beast that ascended out of the pit and goes into perdition. He is the eight and is of the seven, and goes into perdition.
Revelation 17:
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.



The dragon is introduced in Rev 12.
The 1st beast (7 heads) is introduced in Rev 13
The false profit (2nd beast) arises in Rev 13:11 & Rev 11:7

They are all described below:

Rev 16
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
 
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The dragon (Satan or the devil) is also associated with 7 heads, 10 horns, and 7 crowns.
Revelation 12:3
And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Yes, as the power behind the beast - both as the end times person, and the beast who was, and is not in Revelation 17:8a, in the bottomless pit back in the first century, and who does not come out until the 42 months.

Satan is seen in both Revelation 17 (as the scarlet colored beast) and in Revelation 12 (as the dragon) in lieu of the beast that is in the bottomless pit - at those particular junctures in time.

Satan is not seen as the beast in Revelation 13, because that beast in Revelation 17:8a will have come out of the bottomless pit to possess the end times person.

I believe that the beast in the bottomless pit in Revelation 17:8a is the original serpent (a beast) who's actions were to try to get Eve and Adam to sin. What I think is that Satan cut a deal with that beast to become ruler of the garden, replacing Adam and Eve, by getting them to fall into sin.

If so, that beast (the serpent) is in spirit form, since his body has long since disengrated. So when he comes out of the bottomless pit, as an unclean spirit, will possess the end time person (called the beast as welll).

The relation between the two is indicated in Revelation 17:8

17:8a is the ancient beast, who was and is not.
17:8b is the end times person, who was, is not, yet is - that causes the world to wonder because they will see him killed and come back to life.
 
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Based off the OP, the sign is the church and state union, it has been in process of being formed since September 24, 2015. This is when the pope entered the heart of the US lawmaking assembly, which has never been done. Also the Vatican flag flew for the first time.

The abomination of the harlot of Babylon in Revelation 17, is the fornication with the kings of the earth. Using the kings/presidents/prime ministers of the earth to enforce its doctrines. What i say is truth, but ask the Lord if what i say is true. Prove all things by the bible. I was like many others and was thinking it was this and that. I asked the Lord who cannot lie and i have recieved the truth with joy in my heart.

This is not my interpretation though, this is all from the word of God. We are to be giving the 3rd angels message of Revelation14 right now to prepare people for what is about to happen on this earth.


You are you saying the Apostles were wrong in their declarations of it being "Soon, At hand, about to take place, must shortly come to pass, in a very little while, without delay"... but you a re right?

Just trying to understand your position on the terminology of "soon" you are using.

Do you know something the Apostles didn't?
 
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Yes, as the power behind the beast - both as the end times person, and the beast who was, and is not in Revelation 17:8a, in the bottomless pit back in the first century, and who does not come out until the 42 months.
You and I agree. I do believe the dragon of Rev 12 gave power to the beast of Rev 13:1.

Because I am amil, You and I will probably differ on this point, but I believe the dragon (Satan) was not in the pit in the first part of Rev 12. I believe he was cast into the pit when he was cast out of heaven and cast into the earth. It was when Jesus was crucified and caught up to his throne, at which point that Satan was cast out into the earth and into the pit. Satan was overcome by the blood of the lamb (Rev 12:11)

John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.



Satan is seen in both Revelation 17 (as the scarlet colored beast) and in Revelation 12 (as the dragon) in lieu of the beast that is in the bottomless pit - at those particular junctures in time.

I believe the Beast of Rev 17 is the beast with 7 heads. But I do not believe you can separate the dragon and the beast here. It is when Satan is set loose from the pit is when he gave his power to the beast with 7 heads. It is the very point when the 42 months starts, as the false profit (2nd beast) goes into perdition with the 1st beast with 7 heads. I think at this point, they all 3 are inseparable.


Satan is not seen as the beast in Revelation 13, because that beast in Revelation 17:8a will have come out of the bottomless pit to possess the end times person.

I agree that Satan is not seen as the beast of Rev 13:1, but he does give the beast his power in Rev 13:2. The beast goes into perdition when the 2nd beast (false profit) arises out of the earth in Rev 13:11. In Rev 17, this is a recap of Rev 13. We can see the destruction of the beast in Rev 14 & Rev 16.


I believe that the beast in the bottomless pit in Revelation 17:8a is the original serpent (a beast) who's actions were to try to get Eve and Adam to sin. What I think is that Satan cut a deal with that beast to become ruler of the garden, replacing Adam and Eve, by getting them to fall into sin.

because I am amil, we won't be in alignment here. The beast was in the garden with Adam and Eve, but has not seen the pit before Christ was crucified.

If so, that beast (the serpent) is in spirit form, since his body has long since disengrated. So when he comes out of the bottomless pit, as an unclean spirit, will possess the end time person (called the beast as welll).

The relation between the two is indicated in Revelation 17:8

17:8a is the ancient beast, who was and is not.
17:8b is the end times person, who was, is not, yet is - that causes the world to wonder because they will see him killed and come back to life.

I believe Satan has always had a some form of some kind of body since creation. I am not sure what that body looks like, but he has presented it to Job, Jesus, Zechariah, and several others.

- Yes, and Satan will be thrown into the Lof in his unknown form.

- The beast will also be thrown in the LoF, but in the form of men, being the horns (kings with kingdoms and kings with no kingdoms).

- The false profit (2nd beast with 2 horns), a man will be thrown in the LoF also.
 
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