Why we are unlikely to see a working Covid 19 vaccine any time soon.

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I started a thread to address this. I suspect most countries will be lying about their numbers. Jamaica is close to bankruptcy, can they really afford to scare off tourists? Can Mexico afford to have the border closed? Brazil -- people who don't work don't eat, they already live so packed together social distancing is absurd. Russia and China -- does anyone really believe their "official" numbers? Some countries have a clear rule that you are not to put down cause of death as the virus unless they have been tested and confirmed to have it, yet they don't test anyone. So apart from the few people in the hospital that are tested, they appear to have very small infection and death rates.
This approach assumes that enough people will be gullible enough to fall for these tactics. I mean, sure some will, but you'd think at some point being known as the tourist spot which also kills 1 in 50 of the guests would hurt an area's reputation more than the minor short term gains from reopening too quickly.

Or who knows, maybe it will work. Who wants to volunteer to be the guinea pigs?
 
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This approach assumes that enough people will be gullible enough to fall for these tactics. I mean, sure some will, but you'd think at some point being known as the tourist spot which also kills 1 in 50 of the guests would hurt an area's reputation more than the minor short term gains from reopening too quickly.

Or who knows, maybe it will work. Who wants to volunteer to be the guinea pigs?
Every person who has posted that this is no worse than the flu has fallen for them.
Every person who has posted that the Spanish flu was worse than this has fallen for them.
Every person arguing that the lockdown will be worse than the virus has fallen for them.
 
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Me either, I prefer to fight off viruses naturally when possible. If I did indeed contract CV-19 and if my body is already learning to fight it, then I wouldn't need a vaccine anyway lol. It would be redundant.

Welcome to the forums, btw. :)
Thanks! I realize I can be naive about some things. But I just don't like going through life being worried, paranoid, etc. Everyone has their own idea of what 'living' is
 
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I really don't believe the virus is that much of problem for most people, especially for someone like me. Plus, the majority have mild or no symptoms. What I experienced was quite mild, and my immune system was somewhat compromised anyway at the time due to an inconsistent sleep pattern.

I've been taking a Zinc supplement and Quinine (as recommended by a doctor), and have noticed a big difference, even from the first day I got into the regiment. My own doctor also highly recommended inhaling / exhaling the vapors from Apple Cider Vinegar, which also showed promise. A vaccine is not necessary.
They are saying a lot of the deaths resulted from the patients already having a compromised immune system, being unable to fight off the virus themselves. So yeah, I agree with diet, exercise and supplements, along with a positive attitude, to build that up ;)
 
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Every person who has posted that this is no worse than the flu has fallen for them.
Every person who has posted that the Spanish flu was worse than this has fallen for them.
Every person arguing that the lockdown will be worse than the virus has fallen for them.
That's just it, no one knows. On the flip-side I am hearing they are blowing everything out of proportion and dragging it out to blame it all on Trump to get him out of office(?)
 
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That's just it, no one knows. On the flip-side I am hearing they are blowing everything out of proportion and dragging it out to blame it all on Trump to get him out of office(?)
This is why I created the thread concerning Government's use of data. I think this is instructive for us, it should be studied and taken into account when designing protocols for dealing with dangerous pathogens. The governments all want to play down the risk so that business can reopen and so that the leaders do not look so incompetent.

The reason they were so slow in responding originally even though by December there was sufficient evidence for those in positions of responsibility to realize how potentially dangerous this was. So they deny that anyone knew, and those that did know and sounded the alarm are silenced, killed, or fired and discredited.

They talk about the things they did do, comparing themselves with themselves. It is like the kid with the 48 on the final comparing himself with the kid who got the 45, and the country that actually did pass the test (Taiwan) is not allowed to be part of the comparison.
 
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Thanks! I realize I can be naive about some things. But I just don't like going through life being worried, paranoid, etc. Everyone has their own idea of what 'living' is
That's the main issue I and many others have had with the media, lol. They're fearmongering and causing people to basically panic. A friend of mine had a family member who came down with a sore throat, and he was freaking out over it. Turns out it was nothing major.


They are saying a lot of the deaths resulted from the patients already having a compromised immune system, being unable to fight off the virus themselves. So yeah, I agree with diet, exercise and supplements, along with a positive attitude, to build that up ;)
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That's what I heard too, and that hospitals were labeling deaths as being related to COVID-19 simply by presumption. Also, most people with mild or no symptoms aren't being tested, which inflates the death percentage associated with the virus.
 
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That's the main issue I and many others have had with the media, lol. They're fearmongering and causing people to basically panic. A friend of mine had a family member who came down with a sore throat, and he was freaking out over it. Turns out it was nothing major.



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That's what I heard too, and that hospitals were labeling deaths as being related to COVID-19 simply by presumption. Also, most people with mild or no symptoms aren't being tested, which inflates the death percentage associated with the virus.
No, if you are inflating the death totals from Covid, when you take those deaths out of the equation it would seem that every country would have far fewer deaths than you would expect. On the contrary when we take the deaths attributed to Covid out of the equation every country has about 20% more deaths than would be expected. Somehow you have to account for these. The issue I have with the media is they are deflating the numbers, hiding the truth and then claiming they are inflated because it isn't possible to actually test and confirm each death.
 
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That's the main issue I and many others have had with the media, lol. They're fearmongering and causing people to basically panic. A friend of mine had a family member who came down with a sore throat, and he was freaking out over it. Turns out it was nothing major.



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That's what I heard too, and that hospitals were labeling deaths as being related to COVID-19 simply by presumption. Also, most people with mild or no symptoms aren't being tested, which inflates the death percentage associated with the virus.
Good point. I read an article a few weeks back that said if patients are registered in hospital as having coronavirus, insurance pays out more,, and even twice more if patient goes on a ventilator. Not sure if they were 'insinuating' anything there or not though ;)
 
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Good point. I read an article a few weeks back that said if patients are registered in hospital as having coronavirus, insurance pays out more,, and even twice more if patient goes on a ventilator. Not sure if they were 'insinuating' anything there or not though ;)
- that article was in USAtoday.com
 
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Every person who has posted that this is no worse than the flu has fallen for them.
Every person who has posted that the Spanish flu was worse than this has fallen for them.
Every person arguing that the lockdown will be worse than the virus has fallen for them.
Maybe. Talk is cheap - let's see who is really willing to risk the lives of their family to put that talk into practice.
 
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That's just it, no one knows. On the flip-side I am hearing they are blowing everything out of proportion and dragging it out to blame it all on Trump to get him out of office(?)
Yeah, Donald does have a tendency to take any information he doesn't like as a personal affront. I wouldn't take that to mean much other than a limitation on his part.
 
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Good point. I read an article a few weeks back that said if patients are registered in hospital as having coronavirus, insurance pays out more,, and even twice more if patient goes on a ventilator. Not sure if they were 'insinuating' anything there or not though ;)
Even if they were, it wouldn't change the documented fact that there a lot more deaths than usual this year that are being caused by something.
 
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It's been quite a while since i was in school, so please correct me if I'm wrong,,, the .5% isn't that 5 out of 1,000?
Yes.

So, if 1/2 of our 327 million population had gotten the virus, and then 5 or 6 out of 1,000 die, __ if we don't do these big efforts to prevent that spread, as we are doing__ then the math is that big numbers like 800,000 or 1 million could have died in that situation.

That's what we are working to prevent.
 
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I'm a major proponent for boosting your immune system in order to fight COVID-19 naturally. I don't believe in a vaccine for multiple reasons. Although, that doesn't mean I'm against vaccines in general.

I made a post months ago in another thread basically dismissing all the fear and hyperbole of the media, as well as the inflated death rates connected with this corona virus. Looks like recent data is now starting to back this up, proving that most of what we heard was mere fearmongering.

I've even exhibited symptoms of this thing off and on, as have others in my area. I don't know for sure if it was related COVID or not. But if it was, the symptoms were annoying yet very much manageable. I've also resorted to cheap natural remedies whenever these symptoms start back up, and they've proven effective. Perhaps my body is adapting in terms of fighting it off, in addition.

So in short, I wouldn't be concerned about the delay in a vaccine. What does concern me is how much the CDC and media are pushing for a vaccine, rather than aiding citizens in boosting their natural defenses.
Back in first half of March, we saw the death rate would be in the nearby area to 0.5%, 0.6%, if hospitals were not overwhelmed, and posted that projection here on CF.

That would mean about 10-20 times as deadly in total US deaths than a average bad flu season, if we had done little to prevent that spread.
 
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